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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1043.0. "Keys please" by SASE::MOREAU (Junk collector at heart) Thu Dec 29 1988 10:47

    
    Just out of curiosity, what is your favorite key to play in,
    and why? (open string utilization/accessibility...) I'm comfortable
    in any key but like F# for rock.
    
    This topic may have been previously discussed, I'm really trying
    to stimulate discussion. ;^)
    
    Dennis
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1043.1ECUPMK::DUBEDan Dube 264-0506Thu Dec 29 1988 12:3211
When I write songs, I usually prefer the key of E. My songwriting 
technique tends to utilize a lot of open string chord patterns (such 
as playing a first position E chord form up the neck to play A and B 
chords, etc.).

Plus, this may be a personal opinion, but a lot of rock tunes just 
*sound* good in E. 

Besides, the singer I work with can really crank out a tune in the key of E!

-Dan
1043.2An embarressing confessionDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Thu Dec 29 1988 14:2231
    C major (and derivatives: A minor, G mix, etc)
    
    	I also play keys and I just find that I recognize intervals,
    	scales, chords, etc much better in E.  If I'm playing a
    	linear type solo, it pretty much has to be C cause those are the
    	scales I'm most familiar with
    
    I also feel comfortable in E major/C#minor, G major/E minor and
    F major/D minor.
    
    As you can see, my music brain doesn't seem to make much of a
    distinction between a major key and its relative minor.
    
    I also have two modes of playing: In one mode, I'm very conscious
    of the key, and the notes I'm playing.  In the other mode, I'm almost
    oblivious to the  key and the notes under my fingers and I'm playing
    pretty much by instinct and finger patterns. 
    
    I view that latter mode is a very dangerous habit that's too easy
    to get into.  These days, when I learn a tune, I make a conscious
    effort to stick with the former mode, but it takes a lot more
    concentration and discipline than I can muster sometimes.
    
    On the other hand, if I tried to play a solo over something like
    "Take 5" without being aware of the scales involved or what not,
    I would probably play a solo overly laden with "wrong notes".
    
    But for easier tunes (most rock stuff) you get going in a solo 
    and the second mode just sorta takes over y'know...
    
    	db
1043.3Try A 4 BluesHAMPS::JOYCE_AAndy Joyce, UK.SRACWed Jan 04 1989 12:135
    My favourite key for Blues is 'A'. This is because the A blues scale
    at the 5th fret is convenient for the 5th and 7th fret harmonics
    which I use a lot in my solos.
    
    Andy
1043.4Broken into categoriesMARKER::BUCKLEYI see your sister in her sunday dressThu Jan 05 1989 10:129
    
    For pop sounding things I really like the sharp keys cuz they're
    so bright sounding.  F#, B, E, C# major are my favs.
    
    A and D major are my favs for bluesy rock ala Thin Lizzy or something.
    
    For darker stuff I like the flat keys, like F, Bb, Eb and Ab major.
    
    Buck
1043.5warning: borderline sexist remarkRICKS::CALCAGNIThu Jan 05 1989 10:294
    I think it was Albert Collins who once said that playing in F
    will "drive the little girls wild".  Haven't verified this myself.
    
    /rick
1043.6?DEMING::CLARKLost in the ozone againThu Jan 05 1989 12:327
    re .4
    
    so Buck, does something in C# sound sharper than something in 
    D flat? No keys really sound better to me than any others. I
    like C for blues, but just from a playability standpoint.
    
    -Dave (just curious)
1043.7MARKER::BUCKLEYI see your sister in her sunday dressThu Jan 05 1989 13:2410
    
    To me, C# doesn't sound `sharper', but brighter.  Keys definitely
    sound different to me.  For soloing, I LOVE to solo in D# minor...
    cuz the relative major is so bright sounding that the minor sounds
    bright as well.  A very happy key all over.
    
    Dorian and Minolydian are merry sounding as weel, but that's for
    another story
    
    Buck  
1043.8The More I learn, the less I know <sheesh>DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Thu Jan 05 1989 16:466
    
    
    	Buck, I've heard of Dorian and Aoelian mode in the pentatonic
    scale... but what's this Minolydian.. tell the next story please.
    
    Steve
1043.9Makin da blues fun (my way)MARKER::BUCKLEYYou&#039;re in the USA baby, you&#039;re gonna die!Thu Jan 05 1989 17:1033
    
    Hi Steve!
    
    Ok, lets say we're talking about the minor pentatonic scale here.
    Lets analyze them and see how they match up (I like to use a numeric
    analysis, ok?)!
    
    Minor pentatonic	1   b3 4 (b5) 5   b7
    
    Dorian mode         1 2 b3 4      5 6 b7 (major 6 is key note)
    
    Aeolian Mode        1 2 b3 4      5 b6 b7 (minor 6 is key note)
    
    Mixolydian mode     1 2  3 4      5  6 b7 (major 3rd is key note)
    
    Since it is so common in rock/blues playing to play both a minor and
    major 3rd with the blues scale (Hi Dave!), I have gone to superimposing
    the dorian mode or the mixolydian mode over the minor pentatonic for
    soloing. 
    
    Below is what I'm thinking note-wise when I say this:
    
    Dorian/blues mix:	1 2 b3 4 (b5) 5 6 b7
    
    mixo/blues mix:	1 2 (b3) 3 4 (b5) 5 6 b7
    
    with the added notes you may think "hey, the look almost the same?"
    Well, they are.  The trick being that in Mixo I emphasize the major 3rd
    to get the tri-tone with the b7, and in dorian I want the minor 3rd
    against the major 6th to stick out.  You get that minor/major sound
    that way.
    
    Buck