Conference napalm::guitar

    I've been waiting for this one . . . how much money?
    Is it all tube electronics?  What is the speaker configuration?
    Is it available as a head only?  Whats it got for controls?
    
    And of course, where did you try it out?

    Most people are asking 499 without any talking although I got a
    few places to agree to 475 (Norfolk County, PU Wurlitzer, etc).
    Shortly after,  LaSalle told me 420 but were out of stock. not sure
    if they were pullimg my leg or not.  
    
    Anyway - features: 1 12" Eminence speaker  60W Rms  small but/52 lbs.
    Channel Switching (2 channels)  1 EQ section - bass, treble, middle
    presence, reverb (works for both channels).  channel 2 has gain
    AND master (this is the hotter of the two channels). 
    Line Out, 8 (or 4 I think) Ohm Ext. Speaker jack, Pre-Amp in, Pre-Amp
    out.
    
    As far as I can tell it's all tube.  (2) 6l6  (3) 12A*7 tubes.
    Great sounding (and very loud).  
    
    The one I tried did consistently make a "swish" type sound when
    powering down.  Don't know if there may be a solid state element
    that might cause this or what.  A friend of did not think it was
    much to worry about.
    
    /Paul
    
    

    Well, I bought one!  it's a great little amp - versatile enuff for
    my use.   And yes it does come in  Head-only and Rack-Mount versions
    too.
    
    
    /paul
     

    Congrats. I have one of the new Twins, plus a 1978 silver-faced
    twin. The reverb is much better in the new Twin, as well as being
    assignable to either/both channels. 
    
    Does the super sixty presence control feature a pull-out notch filter.  
    How about the tone controls, do they feature pull-boost/cut functions.     
    How about the effects loop, does it have a switch for differant
    levels. The Twin has 3 levels ranging from instrument level effects
    to line level effects. 
    
    The super sixty sounds like a great alternative to a Mesa Boogie
    for about 1/2 the price.
    
    Enjoy !!
    
    Mark
    
    
                                                                        
    
    
    

    One other tidbit. It is my understanding that Fender bought the
    old Sunn company, and is now building all Fender Tube amps in the
    Sunn factory, as well as Sunn PA systems. The Fender transistorized
    amps are all made in Japan, but the tube amps are Made in USA.
    
    There may be some transistorized amps that come close to sounding
    like tubes, but nothing beats the real thing for that sweet sound.
    
    Mark

    Unfortunately, the Super 60 does not have the Pull boost/cut tone
    controls like on The Twin, but it's pretty nice the way it is. 
    It also has pre-set levels for the effect-loop in/out (actually
    it's labeled pre-amp in/out), but is supposed to be setup for 
    to work well with either stomp-box or rack mount effects.
    
    I have a feeling Fender did not want to put The Twin out-of-business
    by putting ALL the good stuff mentioned above in the lower priced
    amp (wound up paying 420 for it! heck of a deal)... as opposed to
    almost 900 for The Twin.   If I had the money (and the muscles)
    i might have gone for The Twin.  Still the Super 60 weighs 52 lbs.!
    
    /paul
    

    
    
    
    	I've had mine for almost 2 weeks now and I'll agree with Paul, it's
    an awesome amp, I love it.  It immediately made my blues sound better
    with really warm fat (one at a time.. you know what I mean, right)
    tones on the clean channel and killer almost/distortion on the lead
    channel... and this is with single coils... old ones...  I'd like to
    see a little more punch on the clean channel, though.. anyone have any
    cool settings they'd like to share??   Here are the ones I'm using...
    
    Vol      Drive  Vol    Treb  Mid  Bass  Rev  Pres
    2      [  4-5    1  ]    9    8     6    7     7
    
    
    
    Steve

	They got 'em for $425 cash & carry at Music Workshop in sales-tax-free
	Salem NH. This place is on Broadway (28) across the street & 200 yards
	north of Daddy's.

	It isn't a Twin but it isn't that expensive either. I love this baby.
	I've been frobbing around with all kinds of settings. The clean
	channel is about all I can handle considering I'm using a Rick
	solidbody and it's twang-city.

	I'll write in some of my favorite settings in a week or two. I
	enjoy channel 2 set up:

	Vol	Drive	Vol	Treb	Mid	Bass	Rev	Pres
	X	4	2	7	0	4	2	8

	Makes for a good hazy punk tone.

	There are some amazing blues tones I've gotten using the SG into
	this amp. I've also hung a 20wt peavey off a delay connected to
	pre-amp out and filled out the room nicely.

	I've got lots of things I wanna try. I'll take notes and get
	back to y'all.

	I ran the Rick Bass thru it last night and it sounds unreal on that
	clean channel.

	Oooheee! Now to sell off some stuff and get some more speakers!

	Charlie B

	Now that the kitty note's slowing down some of the other good
	buys can resurface. Like I said I'd do in a prior note, here
	are a couple of settings I really enjoy:


	Syd Barrett tone for Astronomie Dominie and Lucifer Sam:

	Clean Channel

	vol	drive	vol	treb	mid	bass	reverb	presence
	2+	X	X	9	0	3	3	5


	And a warm light "brown" tone for blues & C7-shaped chords:

	Drive Channel

	vol	drive	vol	treb	mid	bass	reverb	presence
	X	5	2+	7	4	5	2	7+


	I've been really enjoying this amplifier. There's a lot of tonal
	flexibility here. I can't wait to hear that this thing will do
	with an external speaker cab.

    
    
    
    	I've heard the following two rumors regarding factory mods for the
    super 60...
    
    Rumor 1:  fender left out a bias pot at the factory on some earlier
    models and it's now a free dealer upgrade.. which of course would
    include aligning the amp, right?
    
    
    Rumor 2:  Based on customer feedback, Fender will be offering an
    upgrade that will provide more volume on the clean channel (hell I
    can't turn mine much past 4 anyway)
    
    
    	Anybody heard either of these...
    
    
    
    Nice settings... I like the second one....  here's mine for Robert Cray
    
    

	vol	drive	vol	treb	mid	bass	reverb	presence
    	3			8	7	6	5	7-8
    
    
    	Wokrs nice on that scrapy kind of rhythm part that Clapton does on
    Cocaine... too
    
    
    Steve
    

	Nice rumors. I've heard nothing. I don't know about yours but the
	clean channel up loud puts the speaker thru a major workout.

	Steve Jones like Sex Pistols Steve Jones?

	I'll try out that setting. The second one I listed is pretty much
	where I like to play. At louder volumes it breathes well.

	As I recall you use a strat w/gold lace?

	ccb

    
    
    
    	What do you mean by "breathes"??  Yep, I use a Stew-Mac home made
    with 3 gold lace.
    
    Steve

	I like a tone that's like the wind that blows on the last day
	when the bombs go off and the raid sirens are playing mournful
	tritones.

	Breathe is probably not the right word, but I'm talking about
	when the tone has a very vocal tone like Janis Joplin's voice.
	Almost singing but with more crankiness and sound pressure and
	the speakers get into it like bellows fanning a fire. Like you
	can feel the air moving when you're playing, but "breathe" is
	when you can feel the air stop. It's this phenomenon why I'm
	looking forward to playing around with closed cabs.

    
    
    
    	Hmmmmm.. here's some new information directly from Fender.  There
    is NOT a bias pot, or channel one volume modification available from
    Fender.  It's been so much fun waiting for the past four months for my
    dealer to get this info.  They are or will be introducing two new
    combos.. a single 12 and a double 12, to solve the volume problem on
    the clean channel... BUT they'll distort earlier (life is filled with
    compromises)...  So I guess what I'm going to do to make mine louder is
    find a crystal clear guitar amp, transistor I guess, cos they're
    cheaper and slave it to my 60... That way I won't sacrifice loudness
    (yeah, I know I'm still playing in my bedroom, but I do love the sound
    my dog makes when I crank it) and I'll keep that sqeaky clean sound,
    that's so great for metal playing  [;^)
    
    
    	What do you folks think???  Is there4 any argument for me finding a
    straight power amp (I really want Stevie's concert and a boogie cab)
    and a speaker cab???   The reason I'm not opting for that road is I'd
    lose th redundantcy and variety that I'd get with a backup amp... 
    help?
    
    
    Regards,
    Steve

    
    
    
    
    	And... before you folks get a chance to answer those questions,
    I've got some more.  My local music store offered to let me try out a
    CRATE 120-c and I found that the Line ot from my 60  plugged into the
    lines in (stereo amp) made the CRATE too loud.... AND that the preamp
    out made the CRATE too soft.... I don't really want to use the pre-amp
    out because the line out sounds so much more cool (I'm not sure I know
    why)....  Anyway, I built a box tonight that patches my line out
    (super) to the CRATE's lines in through a one meg linear taper pot that
    I had lying around (from another failed electronic project.. grin) and
    it works great for balancing the loudness on the CRATE and my super 60
    sounds like a super 100 (thanks Chuck) or so when I crank it up and no
    distortion... Here's the new questions:
    
    a. am I doing any subtle damage to either amp by using this pot to
    regulate the level of the line out from my super??
    
    b. Preamp out from my super sounds pretty good when I go straight into
    the regular or -6db input of the CRATE.. howcum, I thought that it
    should be distorted as hell... it would really be fun to be able to use
    the CRATE preamp and chorus and all that good stuff as well as the
    power amp section. (the CRATE by itself sounds a little sterile)
    
    c. Could I use my little level box to control line out from the super
    to the regular input on the CRATE without hurting either amp... and
    would I expect to be able to get a crystal clear tone doing that???  
    
    
    	If it sounds like I don't know what I'm doing!!  It should!!! I
    don't!!!  HELP!!
    
    
    	BTW.. my music store offered to sell me this 120c or whatever, are
    there any opinions out there..??
    
    
    
    Regards,
    Steve

    Well I'm not sure of the model, but just the other day I was foolin
    with a Crate. 130 watts combo amp with a single twelve. It was a
    transistor amp that caused me to notice how far they've come with
    transistors since I had a Kustom back in '69. I really liked the amp,
    in fact were I not a major Fender dude these days, I might have bought
    it. As it turned out, I saw the Fender "the Twin" and the Crate lost
    out. The Crate was a lot less expensive, but I doubt I would've been
    bitched out any less by my lady when I broke the news.
    
    "sakman"

    Steve,
    
    I don't know much about what you're doing, so I can't make an comments
    there.  You might find it less expensive to buy a cheap used power amp
    and a 1x12 cab then another amp.
    
    Regarding the Crate, I think they make good stuff.  I got one of the
    first ones after they dropped the wooden cases and started adding a
    lot of distortion.  Mine's a CR160GT which is a 60 watt 1x12 combo. 
    I've had it for about 6-7 years now and it's never had a single
    problem.  I haven't used it much the last couple of years though.  It's
    got an absolutely killer distortion sound, but I got tired of it.  The
    price was right when I got it too.  No complaints at all.  If I were in
    that kind of market again, I'd consider another Crate.
    
    On the volume thing, I say crank it up and let it distort a little! 
    8^)
    
    Greg
                                                          

    
    
    	Thanks, Greg, yer gonna laugh... I actually asked a Fender
    technician what siz pot to use for controlling the line out signal from
    my super and he said 10k....  I gulped but followed his instructions
    and created the collest little tremolo device I've ever heard.. strum a
    chord or note and by the time it got to the Crate's power amp it was
    breaking up so bad that it sounded like tremolo...  Anyhow my pal dbii
    confirmed for me that the pot was a little too small and I replaced
    them with 1meg pots last night and things work great.
    
    	What I'm doing is plugging the line out from my super into the
    lines in (stereo) to the power section of this 120 watt crate amp that
    I guess I've bought.. (grin)...  I'm using the two pots to control the
    level so that I can balance the volume between the Crate and the
    Fender.
    
    
    	Hmmm... wonder what would happen if I used one of the Crate's 12s
    as an extension speaker, and drove just one side of the power amp..
    right now I have "licked" the super 60 volume problem.. the extra 120
    watt from the Crate delivers crystal clear high volume for my Albert
    King stuff.. and distorts just right for the Clapton, Healey, SRV
    stuff.  S'matter of fact it doesn't need to be as loud as it is!!  If I
    used half the CRATE, I'd have a cool extension speaker for my 60, a
    cool 30 watt power amp for getting the volume, and a backup 30 watt
    power amp (the other channel on the CRATE).. 
    
    
    	Can you believe that the Fender Dude gave me the wrong poop??? 
    nyuk, nyuk...
    
    
    
    
    Steve

    I'm having a dilemma with my super 60... maybe you guys can think
    of something that'll help me out.
    
    The band I'm playing in does oldies covers.  I've been playing my
    strat through the overdrive channel normally with the gain control
    cranked up until I just start to get a little bit of distortion.
    This in combination with flooring the mid control has given me a
    sound I really adore.  I haven't had any need for heavy distortion...
    so far.
    
    Now we're getting into a later class of tunes and I need the kind
    of distorted sound I get when I turn the gain up to about 5 or 6.
    The obvious problem now is that I can't seem to get that "just starting
    to distort" sound from the clean channel... it's too clean!
    
    Am I going to have to buy an external box to solve this problem
    (e.g., leave the setting as before and get a a Rat or something
    for the heavy distortion)?  What are my options here?
                            
    								Marc

    
    
    
    	Hi Mark, I use a tube driver with mine and haven't been able to
    figure out anything better.   I don't play out though, so maybe some of
    the pros could help you more...
    
    
    	Now I want to ask my question:
    
    
    	Assuming that I don't do something stupid and trade for a "THA
    TWIN"  And assuming that I continue to use my CRATE as a power amp.. I
    like to know.....
    
    
    	If I wanted to kick the power amp in (like with a foot switch)
    would I...
    
    
    	A. put a switch in the line out line
    
                                    or
    
    	B. get crazy and put a switch in the power line (I kinda like that
    POP that the CRATE makes when it gets turned on)   Heeeey, I used to
    make a POP when I got turned on.....
    
    
    	Now look, before you guys call me crazy for wanting to power up and
    amp with a foot switch.... Guess what famous guitar player used to do
    it in his live concerts so many years ago...   Bob Pelletier already
    knows so he can't play....  
    
    
    
    Steve
    
    Volume Addict

	between the line out and the input to the Crate. I was doing
	a similar thing - the line out from the Champ into Delay and
	Volume into power-in on the 60. 

    
    
    
    	So I'd just take the line out to ground or not depending if I
    wanted the power amp or not, right??
    
    
    Steve
    technical weeeeeeezard

	... is that how a volume pedal works? It attenuates by bleeding
	signal to ground?

	Anyway. My vol pedal is actually an attenuator pedal (aren't they
	all?). In the -(inf) position I don't get any sound out of the
	outboard power amp. In the (unity-gain) position I get the might
	roar of a 60wt power amp. I can get any setting in between and
	there's no CLACK of a switch.

	Now for the real question... Is this a safe practice? The line
	out on the 60 is ~600mV and the vol pedal I use can take 6V p-p....

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	I need a favor from you super 60 owners...  I'm trying to get a
    tone on the distortion channel that sounds like the clean channel and
    I'm driving myself crazy.... 
    
    Please set your clean channel to:
    
    Treble:8  Bass:6
    
    	and see if you think that the following is a match: (on the
    distortion channel of course)
    
    Gain: whatever the cat will stand
    VOL: 10
    treb: 6
    mid: 5
    bass: 10
    rev: 4
    pres: 6
    
    
    	If you get closer, would you mind posting it here??   Thenkew!
    
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    	Rats!  I should have told you folks that MID is at 7.. and the
    others are the same... thanks

    Some amps I love the mid at 7 or above (like the QT preamp..it roolz
    at 8!), but on MArshalls it never sounds good that high up...it
    roolz at 4 then.

	The 60 sounds balls with NO mids, treb & bass ~7.

	Using Humbuckers of course...

    
    
    
    	Thanks, cos if I could get the same tone on the distortion channel
    as I can on the clean channel, I'd be a happy camper..
    
    
    Steve

    Curious... I run my 60 with the mid on 10, bass variable between 3 and
    7 depending on the general volume, treble on 7 and presence variable
    between 7 and 10 depending on the age of my strings.  I basically gave 
    up on the clean channel... I'm addicted to the slight crunch with the 
    gain on about 3.  Bought myself an external pedal for distortion.

    I bought a SUPER 60 this past week and am quite pleased with it.  As
    mentioned in some of the previous notes, the NORMAL channel is a little
    shy in the volume department.  I hooked up a Marshall 4 x 12 and got a
    wonderful full sound.  I love the tone generated from this amp.  It
    kind of sounds like a Musicman 65 Watt, 2 X 10 that I had years ago.
    Beautiful amp and full of nice surprises.  It was a wee bit more
    expensive to buy up here in Canada, but I needed one in a hurry soo....
    
    Don  

	Welcome to the club. Compact little amp with some very tasty
	tones. I run mine with an extra 12 (Carvin HE12) for house practice
	and I could hardly ask for more.

	Have fun...

    I sat in with a band to do a couple blues standards the other night and
    plugged into one of these Super 60 amps and was fairly well impressed.
    Although I didn't have much of an opportunity to tweek it for my old
    stratocaster (the guitar player was usinga Hamer), I could tell that it
    had a lot of range to it. It struck me as a great amp for doing smallish
    rooms and for a wide range of cover material. If I was playing in a
    cover band regularly, I'd look into this unit. Something tells me that
    Fender stopped manufacturing them. True?

I have one of those puppies. Last I looked they were still makin' em.
There's *5* flavors available:

	Super 60 1x12 combo
	Super 112 1x12 combo (adds bright switch & better cab geometry)
	Super 2x10 combo (like 112 with 2 x 10 instead of 1x12)
	Super 60 Head
	Super 60 Rack mount head

I get wicked GTS and ponder selling it once in a while. Then I invite
another player to my house and after they flip over it for a while I
change my mind. They're a common item in the used market for just
over 3 bills. If you get one, get an extra cab.

ccb (saving for a marshall 4x10)

    Re: -1
    
    Yep Charlie, I know what you mean about thinking about getting rid of
    your amp only to change your mind. When we met, I didn't have my Fender
    "the Twin". Since getting it, I've written about it many times in here.
    I can't think of 
    a better amp (excluding Dumble's, Rivera's and other $$$ exotic stuff).
    I've thought about selling mine only cause it's overkill for what I'm
    doing with it (home use). But then I get to cranking on it and I get
    reconvinced that I should never part with it. It's me!
    
    "sakman" who sez: 
    call me loud, call me clean, 
    call me anything in between.
    Call me sweet, call me damned,
    just call me a Fender man.   

    ]]] call me loud, call me clean, 
    ]]] call me anything in between.
    ]]] Call me sweet, call me damned,
    ]]] just call me a Fender man.   
    
        	Sakman... ultimate lyrics!!  I laughed, I cried...  Mister,
    you've got a clue.. big time...  [;^)
    
    I had a different experience with my super 60.. loved it in the store,
    but found that the two channels had a serious volume difference, and
    that it was all but impossible to roll off any mid-range on the clean
    side of the house (yeah, I know.. some of you are saying.. "But you
    *WANT* mid-range in your tone.. Gree Vee Bonehead!"....)  Call me crazy
    the super 60 just didn't happen for me.. I sold mine and got an older
    deluxe reverb and I've been absolutely satisfied with my tone since...
    
    Not only that, but listen to this my fellow tone bros... I checked out
    a super 112... same as my super 60 cept' it's in a deluxe sized cabinet
    and *IT* sounded great... I'm beginning to think that it had something
    to do with the little bitty cab they built the super 60 into... who
    knows sure not me...
    
    
    OK let's think of words that rhyme with "duck"....  I got one!  I got
    one!
    
    
    Gree Vee

    Yo Stevie, help me out bud. If your Super 60 had two channels then did
    it not have independent volume control for each channel? Seems to me
    that it does. Then what the hell, how can you *not* set the volume to
    balance whatever way you want? Little confused here.
    
    "sakman"  

    I demoed a Super 60 and a Super 112 side by side in a store and
    preferred the 112, too.
    
    FWIW, I didn't buy either.  Instead, I bought a '68 Deluxe Reverb and 
    a realtube overdrive unit.
    
    If I played out and needed the volume, I'd seriously look at a Super
    112.  I also have a hankering for the vibroverb re-issue, however.
    And used twins can be found pretty cheap (but we all know those things
    way a ton).
    
    Jim (another Fender fan)

    I'm not sure what Steve ment about the Super 60, but I played a 2
    channel amp once that had a similar problem.  You'd set the clean
    channel on 10 and the distortion channel about 1 and they'd be the same
    volume.  The lead channel wouldn't be turned up enough to sound right
    yet and by the time you got it past it's little dog leg where it
    sounded good (around 3 I think), the clean channel was left like a
    whisper in volume.  Don't know if it was broken or what, but it wasn't
    very useful.
        
    Greg

    My experience with the Super is the same as Steve's.  I find the lead
    channel much louder than the clean channel.  The lead channel which has
    a really nice distortion doesn't sound good until the volume level on 
    that channel is about 4-5.  To get a comparable clean volume I need a 
    volume level of about 9.  Typically the size of the room I'm playing in
    doesn't lend itself to the volume necessary to get a nice sound from
    the lead channel so I've resigned myself to using the clean channel
    almost exclusively.  In general, however, I'm happy with the Super 60
    although a voice inside me keeps saying Vibroverb Reissue.
    
    Mike

    
    
    	Yeah, that's pretty much the deal (or was for me).. the clean
    channel didn't have enough at 8 and the lead channel had tooo much at
    2.  Frankly... the clean channel tone at lower volumes was absolutely
    killer!  I loved it, even if it was a little mid-rangy.. Funny how I
    wound up deciding on a deluxe...  If I needed more power or volume now,
    I'd get *ANOTHER* Deluxe (huh, Rosty?)
    
    	Looks like my "exit interview"  We'll be calling them the
    SY-OH-EFFIN-NARA Sessions...  is scheduled for 10:30 tomorrow morning.. 
    
    
    Gree Vee

    Give 'em hell, Gree Vee.