Conference napalm::guitar

    
    The new DSP-128-based guitar effect box, the GSP-5, which does up
    to 5 effects at a time, including a distortion effect and parametric
    EQ, is now in at dealers in the Boston area, but apparently most
    only have one or two.  About $500.
    
    The MSP-4, which does 4 effects at a time, and has specs like the
    original DSP-128 (as opposed to the new, better DSP-128+, this is
    confusing) is not out yet, but carries a $370 list, so expect it
    to sell for close to $300 by summer.

    I noticed DigiTech has released some new stuff to keep pace with ART
    and Roland.  Their new entry is the DSP256.  It is the successor to the
    DSP128.  The ad in GFTPM didn't say how many simulataneous effects it
    could do.  It did say that it has 24 different effect configurations to
    choose from, whatever that is.  Obviously, it has more memory too.
    
    Mike

    
    
       Dsp128 had I believe 17 algorhythms, 256 has 24 plus twice the
    storage. Come on, how many echo-chorus patches do you need?
                                    
    					Rich
    

    Fixed effect "chains" or "algorithms" really turn me off.  I like being
    able to select whatever effects I want without being stuck with a
    preset that someone else liked or thought would be useful.  I don't
    mind limitations based on the available memory or processor power, but
    I like having the option of selecting what effects I want on myself. 
    Seems like most of Digitechs multi-effect units are like this and
    that's one of the main reasons I didn't consider getting one.
    
    For those with DSP-128 owners out there, I got a catalog from a
    mailorder place called The Musicians Friend that has the upgrade chip
    which will convert your 128 into a 128+ for about $30.  If anyone's
    interested, I'll post the address/phone.
    
    Greg
                                                                 

    I received my DigiTech/DOD/Audio Logic propaganda today.  The DSP256
    is:
    
    - 20 Hz to 20 KHz
    - 16 bit res.
    - 4 effects at once
    - 24 different effect combinations
    - 256 locations
    - Program titling (learned the hard way on this one; they must have 
      read the SGE note in here)
    - Programmable level controls
    - MIDI
    
    Mike

    Musicians Friend (mail order vendor) is currently selling the DSP-256s
    for $399.88.
    
    It also allows continuous MIDI control of all parameters.
    
    Greg

    Here's the programming information that is written on top of the
    unit .... in case anyone's interested ....
    
    
    		       DSP-128 Parameter Table
		       -----------------------

		P	Program number, MIDI program change number.
		A	Algorithm number.
		rd	Reverb decay time.
		Pd	Reverb pre-delay time.
		rL	Reverb level.
		AE	Accent envelope.
		AA	Accent amplitude.
		d	Delay time, multi-tap 3rd delay.
		dr	Delay range.
		F	Feedback.
		dL	Delay level.
		b	Multi-tap 1st delay.
		c	Multi-tap 2nd delay.
		E	Multi-tap feedback delay.
		C	Lowpass filter cut-off frequency.
		Au	Animation velocity.
		Ad	Animation distance.
		Cd	Chorus delay time.
		CL	Chorus level.
		Fd	Flange delay time.
		FF	Flange feedback.
		FL	Flange level.
		CH	MIDI channel number.
		ir	Initial reflections.
	      * bb	Bounce texture (2nd b actually looks like an inverted F)
		Si	Stereo image.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

			CHANGING MIDI CHANNEL		
			---------------------

			Depress and hold !

			..........
			: EFFECT :   Puts the DSP-128 in MIDI 
			: /MIDI  :   programming mode.
			:........:
		             |
			     |
			     V
			..........
			:        :   Assigned MIDI channel number.
			:  CH 1  :
			:........:
			     |
			     |
		     DOWN <--|--> UP   Changes MIDI channel number up, down,
		             |         omni mode, off.
			     |
			     V
		   Depress momentarily ...
		             |
		             |
			     V
			..........
			: EFFECT :   Puts the DSP-128 in programming 
			: /MIDI  :   mode.
			:........:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


			PROGRAMMING FLOW CHART
			----------------------


			...........
			:  POWER  :
			:   ON    :
			:.........:
			     |
			     |
			     V
		     .................
		     :      P  1     : 	Program or MIDI number.
		     :...............:
			     |
			     |
		       UP <--|--> DOWN  Program up or down.
		             |
		             V
			...........
			:         :  	Changes next level for programming
			: SELECT  :     or algorithm.
			:.........:
		             |
			     |
	                     V
		     .................
		     :    A  00      : 	Algorithm number defining effect.
		     :...............:
			     |
			     |
	               UP <--|--> DOWN  Algorithm up or down.
			     |
			     V
			...........
			:         :  	Changes next level for programming
			: SELECT  :     or editing algorithm parameters.
			:.........:
		             |
			     |
	                     V
		     .................
		     :   dL  0.00    : 	Algorithm parameter letter and value.
		     :...............:
			     |
			     |
	               UP <--|--> DOWN  Algorithm value up or down.
			     |
			     V
			...........
			:         :  	Changes next level for programming
			: SELECT  :     or editing algorithm parameters.
			:.........:
		             |
			     |
	                     V
		     .................
		     :   dL  0.00    : 	Algorithm parameter letter and value.
		     :...............:
			     |
			     |
	               UP <--|--> DOWN  Algorithm value up or down.
			     |
			     V
		     .................
		     :      P  1     : 	Program or MIDI number.
		     :...............:

    Re: posting the phone # for $30 upgrade.
    
    Please do.
    
    Steph

    Ok, I just checked again, and it's $39.88 (sorry).  The place is called
    Musicians Friend and their telephone # is (800)777-5173.
    
    I ordered some little stuff from them (strap, strap lock buttons,
    picks, a book) and thought their service was pretty good.
    
    Greg

    I've been a little reluctant to invest any serious money in a
    new effects toys till my current pedals were so thrashed that
    one by one, the started giving me serious trouble...
    
    So I started to do some looking around, always thinking, gee
    wouldn't it be 'swell if there was one unit to do Flanging, chourusing,
    delay, maybe reverb...  Then I start finding out that such tools do
    exist...
    
    Then I locked horns with the Digitech stuff...
    
    I just picked a DSP128+ this week, and it's gotta be the best thing
    to come down the road in terms of Signal processing for a guitar
    yet.  (I now the GSP125 is ready to be distributed, but it's too
    much money... as was the DSP256 for my budget)
    
    I called East Coast Sound on Monday, UPS was delivering it Tuesday
    afternoon !! (E.C.S. don't screw around..)
    
    Picked it up for 299.
    
    this truely is everything one could ask for in guitar effects.
    
    One of the BIGGEST benies I can really sink my jaw into is
    that it can change patches on my D110 timbre controler!!!  That is
    just a bonus that makes the whole investment worth while!
    
    If any ouf you boys are looking to replace your 'multi stomp box'
    effects loop,,, get one of these Digitech beauties...  once you
    get the hang of the programming, you can make it sing...
    
    (oh by the by, there's 14 algorythms, not 17...)
    
    

    re .10
    
    Congrats on the purchase!
    
    I've been gigging with a DSP128+ for several months. I'm very
    pleased with it. The factory presets are garbage in my opinion. 
    Way too much of everything. Once you tone down the reverb, and
    do a little programming, you can come up with some very useable
    sounds.
    
    I have a few chorus/slight delay sound that I use with a clean
    guitar sound. I also have a little bit longer delay set up that I use
    to fatten distored leads. I know I'm only scratching the surface
    of what the unit can do, but I'm not into heavy effects. I use
    it more for coloration. 
    
    For $299, it takes the place of quite a few stomp boxes...
    
    -Tom

    Algorhythm #5 is KILLER on the original 128, imho...and box stock !
    
    jc

    The price makes these really attractive, < $300!

    
    Conratulations on the purchase!!!
    I've been a proud and ignorant owner of 128+ for about a month now
    and I'll never turn back!!!  Between that and my Mesa Boogie MK3, 
    there's not a whole lot of sounds I can't come up with!  No matter what
    kind of a guitar I use.  
    I said that I'm ignorant because I have not changed any params yet
    but I do like #7 and #8 alot!  I'm sure sooner or later I'll end up 
    changing and experimenting with params but I have not had real desire
    to do so, yet.
    I picked mine up at Rice Music for around $425 with Yamaha Compressor
    pedal, DOD Gate/Loop, couple of chords, chord lox, 3 sets of strings, 
    and tax.  I was an EXTREMELY happy camper walking out of there!!!
    
    J. whose_finally_gone_prcessed
    

    > changing patches on the D110...
    
    Pelkey goes MIDI... Ray, if you could see the smile on my face every
    time you start talking about patch changes, THRU ports and modified
    envelope parameters... my life is complete!
    
    Edd (the REAL one, not that box that bears my name!)

    
    RE; .14
    
    I've finally done it!!!  Over the weekend (Wednesdays are my
    Mondays...) I took a deep breath and changed some params on my 128+.
    And I must say, "It sounds MMMarvelous!"
    
    Maybe I'm not as dumb as I act, after all???  Nah!!!
    
    J.  whose_finally_gone_processed_and_nuts_over_his_toy!!!

    
    Yo dsp128+ owners!  Are these units still the best thing since canned 
    beer?  Are you looking for something else now or are you still
    satisfied?  I want better reverb and I'm starting to eyeball all
    my pedals...  Dammit J., I just bought the pds1002 pedal from you
    and now *I'm* looking at these things.  Sheeeeee-it!  I'm on the diving
    board - I need a little push (sure you do, Pat).  
    
    -pat

>Dammit J., I just bought the pds1002 pedal from you and now *I'm* looking at
>these things. 

Well Pat, I presume you know that J bought his DSP128+ with the money he got 
from selling you that PDS1002...

8^)

Another confirmed case of GTS!

>    Yo dsp128+ owners!  Are these units still the best thing since canned 
>    beer?  

I think canned beer sucks.

;^)

I don't own a DSP128 myself, but I've heard J's and it sounds great.  Last
I heard your townmate Jeff Cooper was looking for another one after selling
his off awhile back... 

Seems like a nice unit, and the current prices are pretty attractive, 
however, in the interests of appeasing those who are prone to complain that 
many of us in this notesfile rather wantonly recommend big dollar rackmount 
equipment to those that may not need it, I will temper my advice with the 
appropriate warnings.  You clearly already realize that buying more and 
better equipment leads to only one thing...buying MORE and BETTER 
equipment.

Seriously, have you been using the PDS1002 before your amp or in it's efx 
loop?  (I know you got one)  Reverb will sound a LOT better in the efx loop 
because it's not getting squashed as much by the preamp.

Greg 

    
    	Canned beer sucks??!!  Gee, you probably don't like American 
    	cheese either!  Yup, I know J. spent my money on a 128+ (don't 
    	tell anybody, but I'm gonna pull the same trick on someone else,
    	heh, heh).  Yup, I'm using the pds in the f/x loop.  I have no
    	complaints with the delay unit - it's real quiet and it's easy
    	to use.  IMO, my on-board reverb sucks.  So, I started looking 
    	at all those pedals...  I tried out a 128+ last night.  I learned
    	about reverse reverb - not *too* weird.  Is that what Jimi used on
    	"Are You Experienced"?  Wait a minute, that qquestion probably 
    	didn't make sense, did it?
    
    	BTW, of course, buying better/more expensive gear leads to more
    	expensive gear.  If not, I'd still be playin' my Roadstar I thru
    	my little Dean Markley!  
    
    	;^)

    BUY IT !!  (so I can borrow it, wagagagaga, pretty cute, huh ?  8^)
    
    Scary

    Here it is for the 3rd time:  My DSP-128+ is for sale.
    
    Perfect shape, asking $275, neg. comes with pedel and manual.
    
    Will Collum

    
    	Well, I bought a new 128+.  Paid $289 thru Music Mall (aka Music
    	Emporium).  They were good to me and beat the lowest price I found.
    	I can see that it is gonna take a while to learn all the factory
    	presets so I can begin making a collection of my favorites.  I do 
    	like the unit a lot and have been having a blast.
    
    	some dumb questions:
    
    	Is it better to run thru the effects loop or have the unit before
    	the preamp?  
    
    	When in bypass mode, I lose volume and sound muted.  That irritates 
    	me.  How can I avoid this?
    
    	Thanks,
    	-pat
    
    	

    Try it in your effects loop..... 
    
    
    If you lose gain when you "bypass" play with the "mix" knob to see
    if when you have more dry signal in bypass mode,or try boosting the
    output knob....
    
    

    
    	re .23
    
    	It does help to boost the output, but that is a pain.  All seems
    	well when I select the dry program (p128 or 127?).  I guess I 
    	could assign that to p1 and use it as a "bypass" instead of the
    	real bypass switch.  That make any sense?

    	I don't have a 128,but I did loose gain with my MVII when using
    the bypass mode. I found playing with the mix knob could get me to
    unity gain. When I demo'd a 128+ I found that the output knob could
    actually over boost the signal....
    	Maybe someone else who has one might know....Tom P???? bail me out
    
    

    
    
    re.22 Presets are for wussies.  =8^}
    
       Definately you will have to play with the output knob to match
    your in-loop-out-loop volume.
      As for the losing tone, beats me. It probably ain't the DSP128+.
    
    
    
    RichC.

    If you tweak the input and output level knobs you should
    be able to make it so the straight amp signal is
    louder/the same/or quieter that the signal you get using
    the DSP. 
    
    Of course if you get it all set then turn up your amp,
    you can screw this up. Also, make sure the switch on the 
    back is set for line level. That's about all I can think
    of.
    
    -Tom

    Her's how I set mine up:
    
    Put the input and output levels at 0db.  Now set the mix over to all
    dry.  Now switch back and forth between bypass and effect (that would
    be the on off peddle or button).  Then set the mix over to all effect. 
    Now switch back and forth between effect and off.  You should see right
    there what the mix knob will do for you.  It will control the loudness
    of the bypassed mode relative to the effect mode.
    
    The input and ouput levels work the same on bypass or effect mode. 
    It's the mix that will fix the level problem.
    
    For the input and output levels, set the input level as loud as it will
    go and not clip.  Clipping is indicated by the LED's on the front.  Let
    it peak in the read but operate mostly in the green.  Once the input is
    set, dial the output to drive your amp good and firm, but not
    overdrive it.  There's a push button on the back that can be used to
    further taylor the input. You have it pushed in or out depending on
    whether the unit is receiving a line level signal (not very loud) or a
    loud signal (screaming humbuckers).  Basicly, I set mine (my unit is in
    my Boogie's effects loop) to where it made the least noise, and I
    forget which that is.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Will

    
    Thanks a bunch Will.  I'll be taking this reply home with me tonight!
    
    -pat 

    
    	Will, your advice was right on the money.  Can't believe I didn't
    think of messin' with the mix level on bypass.  
    
    Thanks man,
    -pat

    The guitarist in my band uses a DSP-128 in his Boogie effects loop with
    a Fender Strat. The problem is that it is VERY noisY. Anyone else have 
    this problem?
    
      Bob

    Another of our fellow noters, J. So uses a DSP-128+ in the efx loop of
    his Boogie (Mark III) and it's quiet as a kitten.  Perhaps it has some
    sort of a level mismatch (like running it expecting a line level signal
    and the efx loop actually has a instrument level signal)?
    
    Some more information might be helpful in trying to diagnose it.  Is it
    noisy on every effect preset or just certain ones?  Does the noise go
    away when the unit is in bypass mode?  Does changing the level settings
    affect the noise?
    
    Greg             

    
    Would anybody like to share any of their favorite homegrown programs?
    Don't spare any gory details!  Maybe we could get something good going
    here.
    
    -pat

    Program 85!!!

    re .30  No problem, glad that did the trick.
    
    Favorite programs?  I liked the large room, with flange and delay, or
    chorus and delay, I forget the numbers.
    
    If you don't have a midi controller or the extra footpeddle, you can
    copy your favorites into sequential locations and use the up down
    buttons to get to them all easier.
    
    Will

    I second program 85!  
    
    ;^)

    
    Guys, not just factory programs!

    
    Hey, Pat!  I'll go home and write down some of the params I use
    and send you mail, ok?  I use params 3, 4, 7, and 8 but they're 
    tweaked a little... 
    
    Welcome to the club, by the way.
    I knew I should have never sold you the delay!  It always has 
    a snowball effect on everyone!  ;)
    
    J-Dot

    
    	Great!  I lent the pds1002 to a friend....  Maybe he'll catch the
    	virus now!
    
    	-pat
    
    	

    
    Naw, he'll probably go out and buy the 128+.  ;^>
    
    I forgot to get the settings, but I made myself a memo, and I'll
    get it for you by tomorrow, OK?
    
    J-Dot
    
    PS  Have you got the "I need a half stack" virus, yet?  ;^>

>    PS  Have you got the "I need a half stack" virus, yet?  ;^>
    
    Get a Marshall!  They don't have 100 replies yet ;-)
    
    FWIW - I wouldn't mind one either, but I'd have to win the state
           lottery first ;-)
    
    Mike

    
    "Join the few, the proud, the loud, gain forever, singing tone.
    Buy a Boogie" 
    
    J-Dot
    

    
    I still love my Kitty and believe it can crush *any* 60w combo around!
    
    The 128+ is absolutely the last piece of processing gear I will buy.
    
    
    
    (Was that thunder I just heard??)
    
    ;^)

    The loud, gain forever, singing sustain, killer krunch, sweet subtlties
    = the JCM 900 Hi-Gain Master Volume MK III!

    re .43
    
    I've got a 75wt Boogie that you can barely stay in the same room with
    on 3.  No kiddin!
    
    Hell, maybe I'm gettin' old  ;^)
    
    Will

    
    
    	Naw, they get quieter the older you get.... [;^)

    
    Naw!  I'm never growing up!  ;^P 
    
    Put my Boogie 1/2stack on 4, slap on a wireless, go down to 7-11 
    parking lot, get a Big Gulp, hear myself loud and clear.  Put it on 6, 
    go to mom's house, enjoy a home cooked dinner while you practice.
                 
    ;)
    
    J-Dot who has his gain set at 7 and need to go no futher to get the
    METAL crunch.

    What's a son-of-boogie amp? It has 3 6l6's and had a reasonable used
    price.
    toeNail 

    opps, make that 4 6l6's !

    This really belongs in the Boogie note, but an SOB was a 60 watter with
    *no* channel switching, intended to be a low-cost alternative to the
    MkII amps.  It was dropped when the Caliber models came out.
    
    							Brian

    Thank for the info, i don't care about channel switching...
    

    re 51....more info in 1598.6
    

Well, I guess add me the the Buckley list of going full circle...
After owning a DSP128 (no plus) I canned it and got a SGE...
Then I canned that and now I'm back to using a new DSP128+.

The 128/128+ match up SO WELL to my MP1.  What a TONE !
All you Marshall/Kitty/Boogie folks - Eat your heart out ! ;)
The original MIDI Rack Puke is BACK !  35lbs of SCREAMIN'
tone ! YES !

;)

For those who really care, this unit is WAY better than the original,
IMHO.  If you have the original DSP128, get the upgrade PROM !
The Parametric EQ and GEQ are the gnads

As I write my patches, I'll post them here...  Let's all post our
faves...

jc

    
    Welcome back to 128 world, dude!  I knew you delusion of grandeur
    wouldn't last long...  ;^>
    
    So-Hong

<Insert James Brown tone>

Huuuh !  Feels good !

;)

    
    Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah!
    
    ;^>
    
    So-Hong

    
    ooooooooow! ahaw haw...

    While researching the GSP21 stuff for the other note, I noticed that
    the DSP256 (the 128+'s big brother) is becoming more affordable too!
    Now for the comparisons:
    
                         DSP256                DSP128+
                         ------                -------
    Effects at once         4                      same
    Total effects          24                     14
    Memory                256                    128
    S/N Ratio              88db                    same
    Bandwidth            20-20K                    same
    Resolution             20bits                  same
    Controller           Remote                   Foot
    Front Display       Names + Numbers          Numbers
    MIDI                  yes                      same
    Level controls      Programmable               same
    Effects             Digital Delay,           Digital Delay,
                        Multi-Tap Delay,         Multi-Tap Delay,
                        LG/MED/SM Rm Reverb,     LG/MED/SM Rm Reverb, 
                        Reverse/Ultimate Reverb, Reverse/Ultimate Reverb,
                        Chorus, Flange,          Chorus, Flange,
                        3 Bnd EQ,Lo Pass Filter, 3 Bnd EQ,Lo Pass Filter,
                        9 Bnd Graphic EQ,        9 Bnd Graphic EQ,
                        Sub & Output Mixers,
                        Slap Back
    List Price          $529.00                  $399.88          
    Musician's Friend   $399.88                  $299.88
    Am. Music. Supply   $399.00                  $359.00
    Sam Ash             $399.95                  $299.95
    
    Is it worth $100 more for 10 more effects and program titling?  They
    appear to be pretty much the same.  Also, the DSP256 has footswitch
    jacks in the back, I imagine you could use the DSP128+ footswitch with
    it.  It would be cool if you could use the GSP21 foot controller with
    it.  Anyone know if you can?

      Nope, the GSP-21 foot controller is a dedicated unit. It's nice
    that all the power to the foot controller is supplied from the GSP
    itself, even with all those LED characters staring at you. It is
    connected through a 6 pin DIN type jack. There are also the usual
    MIDI in/out/through jacks as well as a jack for the studio remote
    pad, apparently it doesn't support the DSP type (up/down/bypass)
    pedal. 
    							-BooM-

    I thought that the 256 had compression/distortion and stuff ?
    
    jc

    Re: 256
    
    not according to the propaganda/literature they sent me.
    
    Mike

    I have a chance to buy a DSP256 for $300 obo.  Is that a good price?
    I'd rather have a footswitch than a remote control.  Anyone know what
    footswitch would work with it?
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

    Is it the FS300 that comes standard with the DSP128 ?
    I dunno, really.
    
    jc

    Yes the FS300 comes with the 128.  I guess I'll have to call a dealer
    or DigiTech to find out.
    
    Mike

    
    $250 sounds fair, but even $300 sounds good to me!!!
    
    J.

    The 256 is a 128+ with 128 extra memory locations ?
    
    

    jc, pretty much.  I posted the comparisons a few notes back.  The
    DSP256 has more (bands) EQ.
    
    Mike

    FWIW, the folks at DigiTech said the DSP256 will work with the FS300
    footswitch that the DSP128+ uses.  Only the remote comes with it, but
    the FS300 is only about $40.
    
    Mike

    
    	I have a dumb-assed question on the program descriptions for the 
    	128+.  What is the basic meaning of room size when describing 
    	various programs?  
    
    	ex:  P 38  small room w/ deep chorus
    
    	Thanks,
    	-pat

    Re: .69
    
    What it says.  Room Size.
    
    I.e. a digital verb can be set up to simulate everything from a cavern
    to your bedroom closet, by adjusting a couple of things:
    
    1.  First reflection delay: how far away is the nearest reflective surface
    
    2.  EQ of reflections: do you have hard walls, like a night club, or is
    the room damped with carpets, etc. like a concert hall
    
    3.  Decay time:  how long until the reverberation dies out
    
    By adjusting parameters like this, the reverb can simulate many types
    of spaces, both realistic and imaginary (my verb has some settings for
    "vocals" that have these weird compressed reflections that fatten up
    voices but sound like no room I've ever been in).  
    
    If you're coming over from the wonderful world of spring reverbs, some
    of the programming potential of the digital boxes may seem daunting. 
    On my particular unit (yours may vary) I find the "room" presets
    closest to what a spring unit sounds like, although brighter and
    clearer.  The big hall settings are overkill for guitar but nice for
    backing keyboard parts (strings, etc.).
    
    

    
    	Thanks Brian.  My biggest problem was that I did not understand 
    if the room size referred to simulation or to fit.  I.e; if you're
    in a small room use 'small room (deep chorus)'.  

    No Pat, it's definately what room you want to SOUND like your
    playing in.  A straight LARGE room plate makes your tone sound
    like your in the grand canyon, while a small room makes you sound like
    your in a small, made of cinder block, closet.  ;)
    
    jc (Who uses large room plates on VOX)

    Since the 128+ is no longer available, Musician's Friend is selling the
    DSP256 for $299!
    
    Mike

    
        Yeah.....I ordered one and hopefully the icing on the cake will be
     the addition of Scary's GP8!
    
                             R.B.

    RE-1:  Where were you when I went through my divorce ?  I could have
    made you a good deal on that too.  But then, you're a pretty good guy -
    I wouldn't wanna gaff (or is that gag ...) you with that.  Besides, the
    shipping would have been MURDER.  UPS wouldn't have been able to do the
    job ... 8^)
    
    
    Scary (rollin' all out in the floor at his silly-a$$ self) 
     

    
      Scary...we should have traded my EX for your EX.....I bet they were
    related or at the very least went to the same school!
    
                              R.B.

    > Can I have an amen
    
    I think your gonna have a personnel problem if there are any female
    readers of this conference.  ;-)

    No personal slams intended folks ... add additional smileys if the need
    arises.    8^)
    
    Scary (besides, after watching Oprah Winfrey the past few days, I think
    the guys of the world could use a laugh or two - that woman is a
    shark !)

    Well now I know why mail order houses are selling the DSP256 for less
    than $300.  I was in my local store last night and I noticed they had a
    bunch of new goodies in.  One was the new DSP256-XL (also had a JCM 900
    hi-gain dual reverb � stack, and a Digitech GSP21-PRO) which lists for
    only $439!  
    
    I haven't found out what the differences are yet though.
    
    Mike

    Didn't I mention that in here?  Maybe it was just in mail to RB a few
    days ago.  Yeah, the 256 is obsoleted by the new DSP256XL model, and
    the 128+ is obsoleted by the DSP-16 which isn't programmable (like the
    ART LT model).
    
    If you can find anyone with any DSP128+'s I'd expect outstanding
    bargains on them.
    
    ART also has a new multiefx unit called the Alpha, don't have any
    details except that it's faster then the SGE and will list for $499.
    
    Greg
                     

    
      I haven't figured out what the XL gives ya compared to the old 256,
    but for $299 and change for the 256 I guess I can pass on a newer
    updated version.
    
                               R.B.

    I did hear that the XL has ping-ponging ala the DSP128+.  The same
    person said the DSP256 didn't have that feature.
    
    Mike

    Ping-Pong is useless imho.  
    
    It's neat to say, "Hey man, check this out", but totally useless
    within the context of music...
    
    jc

    I donno, my former band used to cover Asmits "Dude looks like a lady",
    and the ping-pong was great for that beginning part!

    Hey, now that IS useful !  One song ! 
    
    Sorry, couldn't resist.   ;)
    
    Coop (Yucko on Ping Pong)

    
      It's not useful to me....I can't play the game!
    
                       R.B.

    
     Now that I finally have a DSP256 do any of you have any great patches
    you can share with me. I went through all the presets and found about
    3 that I like.....one of them being the Leslie in Space ( force me to
    play the old Ventures tune "Telstar").....My SO started laughing!
    
            I'm going to experiment with the settings, but was wondering
    if anyone had a great combo to share.
    
                               Thanks,
    
                                 R.B.

    Am I the only one that noticed you can get the DSP256 + XL update ROM
    for $20 less than buying a 256 XL?
    
    Mike ;-)

    
      Mike...where did ya see that advertisement? It wasn't in my catalog..
    Give me the details as I will upgrade my new 256..
    
                                 thanks,
                                   R.B.
    

    It's on page 5 of the catalog.

   Can someone tell me the "standard" going price for a USED DSP-128 and/or
   DSP-256 would be these days?  I don't have access to a WantAd.

   Thanks in advance,

   -- Sam

    
    DSP128+ runs about $200 in the WantAds around here, Sam.
    
    Kevin
    

	DSP-256's ask $300-$400. DSP-256XL new is ~$340. I sold a 256 for
	$250 in December and I still haven't stopped kicking myself. It
	was a Merrier Christmas for all that tho.

	ccb

    
    DSP-128s are in the $125 to $150 range.  You can probably still get the
    upgrade ROM from Musician's Friend for $30 or $40.  Very easy upgrade
    and it turns the 128 into a 128+.  This is a good effects-loop box,
    especially with a MIDI foot controller.  Only problem is that mine
    tends to get noisy after leaving it on for two or three days - I don't
    think it's a thermal problem - I think it's the noise floor being
    increased by the reverb's recirculation feed.  Turning it off and back
    on seems to clear up the problem immediately.