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| 943.1 | | IND::COMAROW | Mets in 89 | Mon Oct 24 1988 11:54 | 2 |
| The "modes" your referring to are from the Greeks. They were named
after the area they came from.
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| 943.2 | Mode Info | MARKER::BUCKLEY | RCMP, PMRC - No similarities | Mon Oct 24 1988 12:22 | 35 |
| I think the info is already in this conf *somewhere*, but here it
is once more...
ACCIDENTALS AS
CHORD THEY DIFFER
MODE NAME TONALITY RELATIONSHIP FROM IONIAN
Ionian Major Major 7 none
Dorian Minor Minor 7 b3,b7
Phrygian Minor Minor 7 b2,b3,b6,b7
Lydian Major Major 7 #4
Mixolydian Major Dominant 7 b7
Aeolian Minor Minor 7 b3,b6,b7
Locrian Half-dim. Minor 7 (b5) b2,b3,b5,b6,b7
There are some other chord scale typo modes that are used also.
Like
Lydian b7 Major (Dom 7) V7/V #4,b7
Once you know how to build chord scales and analyze harmony you
can find these/figure them out for yourself.
Buck
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| 943.3 | minor detail | JANUS::EVANS | dotted frets play louder...Fact | Tue Oct 25 1988 04:25 | 13 |
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Thanks for the info (WJB to the rescue again ;-)).
I take it that I was correct in thinking that each mode uses the
root scale tones but starting from different degrees?
Do these modes hold true for minor scales also i.e. can the scale
of Amin be called Amin Ionian?
Cheers
Pete (now_less_confused) Evans.
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| 943.4 | | BMT::COMAROW | Mets in 89 | Tue Oct 25 1988 06:13 | 20 |
| Yes, the modes are like the 2-2 scale, but... there are differen't
types of minor scales. Raise the leading tonw (the 7th) on the
way up, flatten going down, and you have Harmonic Minor.
Example
A Minor
A B C D E F G A
A Harmonic Minor
A B C D E F G# A
but going down
A G F E D C B A . A much more interesting scale.
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| 943.5 | Isn't that the MELODIC minor? | ROLL::BEFUMO | I chase the winds of a prism ship | Tue Oct 25 1988 08:41 | 9 |
| re: [.-] Uh, isn't that the MELODIC MINOR that changes depending
on whether you're ascending or decending? If I'm not mistaken (which
I frequently am), the Harmonic Minor consists of:
1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7
It's distinguishing sound being the augmented step between the b6
& 7th.
jb
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| 943.6 | Minor Scales as I learned em | ERASER::BUCKLEY | RCMP, PMRC - No similarities | Tue Oct 25 1988 09:22 | 37 |
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Berklee has a different view of the minor scale world than most
everybody it seems. They analyze the following scales with these
name:
Natural Minor (same as Aeolian mode)
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
Melodic Minor (also called Jazz minor)
1 2 b3 4 5 6 7 (up and down)
Harmonic Minor
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 (up and down)
Hungarian Minor
1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 7 (up and down)
Traditional Minor
1 2 b3 4 5 6 7 (up - melodic minor)
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 (down - natural minor)
As far as .3's question of Minor scales having modes, berklee sez nay.
There are the `modes' (maj and min) and then there are the other
scales. There was a discussion of Hyper-modes in classical harmony
once. It was the idea of starting on the 5th degree of a mode
(although all the modes weren't applicable to this theory). Anyone else
remeber these, I'm foggy on em!
Buck
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| 943.7 | notation problem | JANUS::EVANS | dotted frets play louder...Fact | Tue Oct 25 1988 12:09 | 9 |
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Re .4
sorry "2-2 scale" you say I don't understand that notation...
can you explain please ?
Cheers
Pete.
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| 943.8 | | SRFSUP::MORRIS | Ashley the headless thompson gunner | Tue Oct 25 1988 13:39 | 20 |
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The easiest way for me to remember modes was...
(Assume no accidentals, key of C Major)
C-C Ionian
D-D Dorian
E-E Phrygian
F-F Lydian
G-G Mixolydian
A-A Aeolian
B-B Locrian
The most bizarre mode I ever encountered was one used by Katchaturyan
in the ballet Spartacus.
1 2b 3b 4b 5b 6 7 Please note that there are half steps between
steps 1-2, 3-4, and 7-1.
Ashley
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| 943.9 | here we go again | GIDDAY::KNIGHTP | get me a gin and pentatonic | Tue May 25 1993 23:36 | 25 |
| Okay
It's time to raise the age old question of modes the universe and
everything.
I am trying to understand modes and how to apply them in my playing.
Now......My first question is this:
Three chord wonder songs such as "Old time rock and roll" or
"Lets stick together" what key are the really in.
eg: if the chords are G C D, are these songs in the key of G.
Because.......the guitar solo in "old time" is played using
the G minor pentatonic scale (Bb major pentatonic). Both of these
scales (pentatonic) have a Bb and a F natural in them. So if it
is the key of G that is a b3 and a b7.
So how does this work ...are we really in another key when
playing blues type progressions. Because if the chord progression
was something like G Em C D. eg Stand By Me you solo in G major scale
or E minor pentatonic and not the Gminor/ Bb major pentatonic.
So what is the story.
Second question
In the above examples how would you apply the Lydian and Mixo
modes.
P.K.
this stuff gives me a head ache
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