Conference napalm::guitar

    I'm thinking about getting a wireless setup for my guitar for when
    I play live situations. However, I am completely ignorant in this
    area.
    
    Can anybody help me with some recommendations? I would like to know
    some good brands, what stores have the best deals, and how much it 
    would cost to get a quality wireless setup. I'm willing to spend 
    about $300 if that's what it takes.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    -Dan
    

	Don't even bother with N.A.D.  
 
	Samson (sp?) makes a great unit in the $300-$400 range.  One of the guys
in our band uses it and it seems to be good for a least one city block.  Don't
know who carries it.

    I had one of the early sampson units and it was junk......I took
    it abck for a refund after about two weeks. If I remember correctly
    it cost about $270 a few years ago.
    
    From what I've read about wireless units unless you're willing to
    spend about $700-1000 you can't get a truely reliable unit. The
    reliable units ahve two antenna systems so that dead spots in the
    room are minimized. Even with the best units there are rooms that
    you cannot use the unit in, due to interference, rotating fans overhead
    etc.
    
    It's too badd 'cus I loved not having to unwind my cord after each
    set......
    
    dave

RE:.2

	Samson <> junk.

	I played with a Samson at the Ranch House about two months ago.  I was
outside in the parking lot, easily 150' away, and the bass was cutting through
clean and clear.  To be honest I haven't thoroughly checked them out, but all
the people I know that own the Samson unit love it.  Perhaps they've come out 
with a different model?  

	Next time I see Al, I'll ask him for the specs on it.

    I've used both aforementioned units, and realized that unless you
    spend >$700-$1000< you're not going to get a real quality cordless.
    
    If you are going to get one I suggest you get get one with VHF
    (double ant.)reception,or you're going to pick up police,and CB scanners...
    Well at least I do in,and around the Worcester area(with the single
    ant. models).
    The reception in the Cove,and McGillicuddys,is fine, but like the
    Auditorium,and E.M.Loews got poor reception probably cuz of the
    police station is so close. Also Manhattans off of rt.56 in N.Oxford
    for the same reason.
    
    So make sure you get a good one,it will be well worth the $$$$.
    
    
    jl.
     

    Anyone have any comments regarding the NADY wireless systems. I
    was looking at the low-end NADY gear. I have no experience regarding
    wireless systems and any input would be greatly appreciated. I guess
    the reason I was thinking about one was to get rid of the cords
    on stage. I have read some different things regarding distance
    limitations, spurious transmissions, VHF, etc. etc. 
    
    For my needs I just want something that can reach approximately
    20 feet maximum, and provide a good clear signal with good reproduction
    of the guitar signal. I was looking at NADY due to price, and didn't
    know anything about it. Any help would be nice, I tend to trust
    noters rather than retail salespeople.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Tony

    
    Nady is *ok*. One thing I like about it is the fact that the 
    receiver adds a bit of gain/compression (one of the two, maybe both?)
    to your signal making it a tad nastier. One thing I didn't like
    about it was dead spots. I guess they're ok, I'd make sure I had
    a good supply of fresh batteries on hand for a gig, and check out
    the room for the dead spots at the sound check (then avoid them
    during the gig, if you remember). I is a great concept though.
    
    wjb

    
    
    wjb is right.  I have a Nady wireless and they sure love to eat
    batteries!  You can get away with an hour playing time tops before
    you start getting into trouble.  Best bet is to get nicad rechargables.
    They'll last a little less time, (45 minutes or so) but then you
    just recharge 'em.  
    Another thing is I'd never use it without having a sound check first.
    Deadspots can be a real hassle, and sometimes, there's so many of
    them, I just go with a cord.
    You can also definately add some gain with it.  I've gotten some
    nasty sounds with mine that I couldn't have got without.
    
    ralph
    
    

    JB Player has a wireless guitar. Fitchburg Music has one. It looks
    like a Jackson.
    
    -Dave

    Oh yeah, how will wireless work with effects ?
    JC

    You better hope you are using Signal if you jump into a crowd of
    screaming women....

    Yo Jeffrey, whats happenin' ?
    
    Naw, the babes in SC like sweaty, smelly spandex clad metal heads...
    I'm working on covering my BC Rich in Fishnet stockings;  That'll
    look killer...

    	JC

    I used to have a sampson...it was junk (IMO) at any rate any room
    may have dead spots where the wireless won't work. They work ok
    with effects (at least mine did when it worked at all). Spend lots
    of $$$ or expect to have occasional difficulties.
    
    dave

    Dave,
    
    Was your SAMPSON one of those $500 "true diversity" systems ?
    
    A guy was trying to sell one of those to me...
    
    Jeff

    No it was one of the first units they sold...not the diversity system
    which is supposed to be much better...
                                                       
    dave

    I'm not real familiar with these systems, but I was wondering:
    
    How do you change preamp channels under a wireless environment?  do
    you have to get a separate unit for the channel selector or do the
    units have more than one broadcast band?
    
    Mike

Huh ??

Mike, the wireless transmitter just takes the place of the 
cord between your guitar and your amp input.

Channel switching occurs as it would've before wireless...(i.e. a stomp
box, midi controller -whatever).

BTW - It's been two years since I bought my wireless, so I'll do a follow
up on .0 here...

I bought a Sampson Wireless Performer Series (or something like that).  
It's pretty cool.

-I've never had a any dead spots while playing with it.  The range is 
 about 400yds (line of sight).  Trouble is, when your that far away, 
 it takes the sound a while to get to you, so it's tough to play.

-It's small and light

-The transmitter is a pain in the a$$ !!  There is a little plastic door
 that holds the battery inside the beltpack.  It lasts about three batteries.
 After that, it refuses to stay closed - Duct tape time.  The replacement
 door costs a whooping $18 !  (It's about 3/4"x1" and plastic!)

-When the battery pops out, or if you shut off the transmitter the receiver
 picks up pink noise from the atmosphere (like a cheap AM radio) and if
 your amp volume is up, you WILL blow people thru the wall.  Right Steve ?

-These things CHOW batteries !  Use Duracell and maybe you'll get one night out
 of a 9v...

-Makes posing much easir !

All in all, it's a good unit, and I've seen ones going for $800-$1000 that don't
work as nearly well.  Don't bother replacing the xmiter door when it 
breaks...Use duct tape.

jc (Who sez: try it, you'll like it !)

    I had a Nady cheepy, I was able to go outside my house ( which has
    cement-blocks and bricks outside of that, THICK walls ) and out in the
    back yard and the dang thing worked!  It ate batteries ( Get
    rechargables, you won't regret it ) and I broke the transmitter because
    I was thinking of installing it inside a guitar and took it apart once
    too many times. Daddy's, where I didn't buy it, said they could get
    another transmitterf for about 100$, it's something I just put off 
    until later.  I was happy with mine. It was a lot of Fun.
    	Really want to pump up the Marshall and take a guitar and drive
    across the street to see just how far and loud I can get...

>Channel switching occurs as it would've before wireless...(i.e. a stomp
>box, midi controller -whatever).
    
    Okay Coop, if you're playing in a huge hall and run down the aisle for
    a solo, you have to run all the way back to change preamp channels?
    That's what I was asking, I knew it replaced the guitar cord.  Be nice
    if you could remotely operate the preamp too.  Unless you don't do such
    wild things ;-) (climbing on your stack, soloing from the catwalks,
    etc.)
    
    Re: eating batteries
    
    Don't they have AC adaptors?
    
    Mike

re:           <<< Note 537.10 by UPWARD::HEISER "Red Sea Beach Club" >>>

>    Re: eating batteries
>    Don't they have AC adaptors?

    Think about that for a minute.

    :-)

    It's the transmitter they're talking about - the thing you wear on the
    guitar strap or whatever.  Do you really want to trade your guitar cord
    for a wireless unit that has a a/c adapter cord attached?  :-)

    -- Sam

    re: trading guitar cord for AC power cord
    
    Sounds a little counterproductive to me, but what do I know...  :-)
    
    re: Coop
    
    Which Sampson do you have and how much do they go for these days?
    
    Greg (who always wanted a wireless, but doesn't really know why since
          he doesn't pose much and tends to stand near his amp anyway)

    
    RE -.1
    
    Oh, you know you're a poseur, Greg! ;-)
    
    J.

    Re: power cord vs. guitar cord
    
    I realize it was late, but I was referring to the main unit, not the
    transmitter.
    
    Bad thing about Notes sometimes, things get lost in translation.
    
    Mike

    The main unit's not usually battery powered.  The batteries they're
    talking about using up are the ones in the transmitter.
    
    Greg

Gee Greg, I dunno what the model number is on mine.  It's a Sampson 
Performer Series... They go for about $200 (I paid more for mine, I 
guess cuz it was a new product, and I'm a sucker ;).

The other thing I forgot to mention:

Other folks have asked about signal loss (or a reduction in gain) by using 
wireless systems.  Mine has a DBx noise reduction system in it, and
if you ask me, I think I might GAIN a little gain from it !  The rig seems
to scream a little faster with the wireless.  I wonder why ?

Alan can vouch that it works pretty good and is fun as hell to be
wireless.  BTW - When you lose a battery, it's very subtle, and it;'s
quite well advertised to the trained ear (it's starts to wheeze a little),
so it's not like your going to lose a signal in th middle of a song.
I've started to notice the wheeze and have played a whole set before
I change batteries...This wheeze it almost like a subtle (but VERY cheap)
fuzz box, so you acoustic types would notice right away !  Those 
who play hi-gain rigs would think it was extra crunch !

jc

      I have a Samson Stage 22 true diversity wireless (as opposed to
    false diversity?) and it's great. I think they've cut down on battery
    drain in the transmitter because mine lasts about 6 gigs. Then the
    led on the transmitter stays on solid telling you to get a new duracell
    soon or play air guitar unexpectedly . Actually I've never had it
    totally lose signal, it just gets wimpy then I look at the xmitter 
    and I know it's about to go. And like Coop mentioned, if you power
    down the transmitter and any stray signal is in the room (or a Peavey
    DataBass) be prepared for white noise city. Try this in Hot Lead
    mode and watch a club clear out real fast. So you have to turn down
    the volume on the receiver to avoid this. A mute button here would
    have been nice! I've had no problem with the battery cover on the
    transmitter either. I think it's a new design since it never fully
    detaches from the case, just slides and hinges open.
      But other than that the Stage 22 is a nice unit. What did I pay?
    I know I'm just asking for hate mail, but my wife got it for me
    for my last birthday. (I think) She paid a little less than $300.
    And this IS the same wife that saw UPS deliver all those LPMG boxes
    to our house.

    							-BoOm-

Yo Boom,

Sounds like your receiver is same-same to mine.  Kinda closes and then 
slides in so that the two little hooks catch under something ?

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My little hooks snapped twice, but the door is a b*tch to replace and costs 
mega $$$$ !!!

    
    	Hey Coop.  Maybe you could get one of those weed eater engines that 
    you carry on your back and hook up a generator to it.  That way you
    could eliminate the ac adapter cord and do smoke effects at the same 
    time!
    
    ring ding ding ding (<--- 2 cycle noises)
    
    ;^)

Awesome idea !

And I can maybe rig up one of those 'Paul Gilbert' triple pickers
like he used with his Makita power drill.  'cept mine will be
2 stroke powered...

Anyone ever see that gizmo ??

Talk about speed picking !!!  Yeow !

jc

    
    Has anybody ever heard of REXER wireless systems; if you have
        what do you think or heard about them.
                                                          
                                              mARk
    

    A while ago I posted this.  Thought about it a bit and wrote a note to
    Samson (okay, it was a couple of pages...).  I told them I was pissed
    off because of the poor engineering on the battery door, and was sick 
    of spending $18 on the stupid door.  Check out my old note here:
    
-The transmitter is a pain in the a$$ !!  There is a little plastic door
 that holds the battery inside the beltpack.  It lasts about three batteries.
 After that, it refuses to stay closed - Duct tape time.  The replacement
 door costs a whooping $18 !  (It's about 3/4"x1" and plastic!)

-When the battery pops out, or if you shut off the transmitter the receiver
 picks up pink noise from the atmosphere (like a cheap AM radio) and if
 your amp volume is up, you WILL blow people thru the wall.  Right Steve ?
    
      
    Anyway, I sent my letter less that two weeks ago, and guess what ??
    Today in the mail was a very nice letter and 10 new battery doors 
    for the transmitter.  I'm impressed.  I love it when that happens.
    It was worth my time, and I don't feel as bad now about purchasing
    a Samson unit.  Samson (I beleive is owned by Sam Ash) is on my "Good
    People" list now.
    
    jc (Happy camper)

    
    Tut tut, should have bought a Nady dude 8^)

    When I shopped for my wireless I tried a couple of Nady units
    and didn't get the freq. response of the Samson...plus the Nady
    that was comparable was $110 more than the Samson...
    
    But maybe your right.  I'm just really excited that Samson was cool and
    sent me a fist full of battery doors...  I like good business
    practices.
    
    jc

    
    I have a Sampson and my battery door is fine (knock on wood), but I
    only use mine when we play out. Now I know who to call when (or if)
    it happens to me.........;^)
                                                           MarkO

(What the heck, I'll post it here too! Someone might have some info.....)

I have a question about wireless vocal mikes (posted in both MUSIC and 
COMMUSIC). I'm looking at two used systems for the same price - does anyone 
have any comments on either system, good or bad??? The two I'm looking at
are Nady 201-HT and Sampson Concert Series RH-1.

thanx,
alan

    
    
    The Nady 201 is atrue-diversity" system (I think) which means that it
    uses two RF front ends (or at least two antennae) to reduce the
    dropouts that happen as the xmttr moves.  Is that Sampson model also a
    true-diversity system?
    
    

    When EVH was here a couple weeks ago, he had some interesting comments
    about wireless units in his interview.
    
    The funniest part was where he talked about problems playing in cities
    where there is a 100Kwatt radio station down the street from the venue.
    He said eyebrows really raise when you have Milli Vanilli coming thru
    your rig ;-)
    
    At least in Phoenix, the only station like that is one of the best rock
    stations in the country (1 of 2 in the U.S. that covers a whole state. 
    Delaware has the other, but Arizona is *HUGE*).
    
    Mike

I think I should go on record here...

I just finished a nasty "Wireless Ordeal", and thought I should post 
some of my thoughts.

But first,

>>>  Thanks VERY much to Walter at Rice Music (again).  <<<

Back in early November I bought a Audio Technica AT-mumble rack mounted 
wireless.  I really sharp unit.  Features out the wha-zoo etc...  Trouble 
is it was extremely noizy with my rig.  I was bummin' that I'd spent $600
for a wireless that didn't work as well as the $200 Samson I had.

The really strange thing is that I knew a lot of guys who used the AT with 
absolutely no problems.  I thought maybe I had a defective unit so Walter got 
me  another one from AT.  Still no luck.  Intense feedback, rushing noise 
etc...

Anyway, going way beyond the call of duty, Walter gave me store credit and 
ordered me the new Samson Concert Series.  It's true diversity, full-rack 
mounted, DBX n/r etc...  I was a little concerned about the Samson too because
of the troubles I'd had with the battery door on my SR2 unit.  I should say
though, that the SR2 served well for almost 4 years before I sold it to a
fellow noter (whom I think is still using it, BTW).

Anyway, the new Samson came in yesterday - I beleive it's a CRX-3 or something 
like that.  I brought it to practice last night and used it sucessfully all 
night long.  I'm in love with it.

Here's the rundown:

True Diversity
Two front-mounted antennaes
Full 19" EIA std
Front mounted volume knob
back mounted Line/Instrum jacks (you can use both simultaneously, if ya want)
Adjustable squelch for each channel.

Belt pack has a standby switch and a power switch.
AND A TOUGH BATTERY DOOR !

Anyway, I'm really happy with the new unit.

jc (Wireless MIDI Rack Puke)

    Betcha that really helps out with your practices in that little
    rehearsal room, huh?
    
    gh

Well it's cool to play WarPigs (a loooonngggg toon) and be able to walk up to 
the 7-11 for a coke.  :)

jc

    ...and besides, it's hard to do flips on the trampoline with that
    stinkin' wire attached to the amp ;7)

Hey, speaking of wireless, can anyone give me any info about the Sampson 
Concert Series RH-1 handheld mike wireless system? I had asked about this 
a while ago, but never really got an answer. I don't know anything about it 
does anyone else? Is it considered a good one, or one of their lower lines?
True diversity?

thanks,
alan

P.S. re: -1, you're thinking of Nils Lofgren, not Todd Rundgren!

Hi Alan,

I don't have my documents in front of me, but I beleive the RH1 is 
the Mike-Based unit that goes along with the CRX3 that I picked up
yesterday.  I'll double check, but I'm quite sure.  Mine is the "Concert 
Series"...  Brand new to me, but I say "They rool!".

FWIW - Mp1's are NOTORIOUSLY fussy about what they are put together with.
Being so "hi gain" they tend to bring out the worst in things like
MultiFX, Wireless, Pickups/Guitar.  My advise is "Bring your rig with you"
when you need to try something new...Advise I should follow myelf sometimes.

jc (Who also had major mating problems with his SGE)

PS - The AT I had worked just fine thru my Marshall at home...

>Being so "hi gain" they tend to bring out the worst in things like
>MultiFX, Wireless, Pickups/Guitar. 
    
    I agree with the recommendation about running whatever you're  thinking
    about buying through your rig, but I totally disagree about Mp-1's
    being sensative to what guitar or pickups you run through them.  I put
    like 10 different guitars with all different kinds of pickups through
    mine and it sounded almost exactly the same with any of them (except a
    *real* cheesy one that had really low output pickups).
    
    Greg

Maybe sensitive was a poor choise of words...  Did I say that ??

Lemme try again - If you plug a shite guitar into my rig you'll
be inundated with foul sounds and a *lot* of racket.  Ummm, wait.
If you plug a unpotted/unshielded/older_designed_pickup_infested
guitar it's not gonna like it.  My Gibson, Fender, Dean, Kramer and 
BC Rich  all squeeled like stuck pigs.  My Ibanez is well loved by 
the Mp1, as was me Shovel (Rest in Peice)  :)

Now, what the Mp1 will also do is step all over a beautiful warm-fat-whatever
toned instrument (like a vintage LP or strat) and try to make it scream like 
an Ibanez.  Strats (especially) HATED my Mp1, unless I was in "Plexi-Mode".

Now ya take that same Strat and LesPaul and plug it into a Marshall and 
that Marshall just kinda takes it all in stride - the the beauty of all
the diverse tones shines thru.

The bottom line:  The Mp1 molests the shit out of a guitar signal.  :)
I like it like that.

Izzat better ?

:)_

>The bottom line:  The Mp1 molests the shit out of a guitar signal.  :)
>I like it like that.
>
>Izzat better ?
    
    Much better, I agree completely.
    
    gh (who sez "NO molesting my guitar signal")

    Nady is now selling a new low-cost 49 MHz system.  The guitar unit is
    available at $80 mail order!  Has anyone seen/tried this yet, the "Mini
    49"?  I know 49 Mhz isn't the best way to go but the price is awfully
    tempting...then again you do get what you pay for.  The next cheapest
    Nady from the same dealer is $200, true diversity is close to $300.
    
    							Barfbaghead

    I'd be wary, VERY wary !  The Nady 101 is a great unit (the $200 one)
    for the price, but is just *adequate* for a working band.  Munches
    batteries like a cheap Christmas toy, and alters your tone (ever so
    slightly).  Sounds like this unit would be for the musician who already
    has a Zoom gadget and a Micro Marshall ...  8^)
    
    Jerry ...

    
    >>I know 49 Mhz isn't the best way to go
    
    Just curious Brian, but whats the intrinsic problem with 49 MHz?
    
    "sakman"

    The 49 Mhz band is populated by such things as cordless telephones, RC
    models, etc.  Since the band is crowded, the chance that at any given
    location you might pick up someone's telephone call in addition to
    your guitar are pretty good.  Also, there are not a lot of alternate
    channels available, an issue if the whole band is going wireless, since
    each unit has to be on a separate channel.
    
    However, the 49 MHz units *are* cheap.  Nady offered a 49 MHz unit about
    ten years ago that broke the $200 barrier, now they've busted $100.
    
    Basically as you go up in frequency, cost of the unit goes up.  That's
    why the Nady 201 VHF diversity unit is about half the price of their
    similar UHF unit.
    
    						Brian

    Would that go both ways?!?  Eg, would granma's weekly call to her
    daughter in Duluth be infultrated with your hot Yngwie licks??
    
    ;')

    
    
    What's really cool is when you dial grandma's phone into NORAD with
    the tapping bit in Eruption...
    
    

    
    
    I bought a NADY 201 guitar wireless the other day and so far it's just 
    been great.....the wireless unit's not been too bad either. It's not 
    only fun but looks cool, I've got an outdoor gig coming up soon, so 
    i'll have to see how it handles that. The place i'm playing is right 
    under the flight path of aeroplanes so i'm hopeing it won't turn out 
    like spinal tap at the airbase!!!
    
    
    Ewan
    

    Hey Ewan,
    
    Be sure to lock in the frequency correctly with the little screw gizmo
    thingy.
    
    Good Luck!

I'm considering a Nady 201 VHF wireless unit with the rack adaptor. Why not
the rack unit? First cost, second the antenna on the 201 are on the front,
the 650 has the antenna on the back and they wouldn't clear my rack well enough
to stick up straight in the air.

So experiences good or bad  with the 201???


thanks

dbii

    Re: Nady 201
    
    Funny you should ask, I'm borrowing one right now and found that with
    two of my instruments, the companding circuit causes loss of attack on
    soft notes, almost like a volume pedal swell.  But with my Steinberger
    bass, I tried running the volume up and down, played soft, played hard
    and had no problems. ?????  Must not be my week  8^)  8^)  
    
    I have *no* idea what's happening.  The guy who owns the unit had
    noticed the same behavior once in a while.  There's also a bit of
    compression which isn't too bad, and since the unit has an in-to-out
    maximum gain of +4 db, you can drive your amp harder. 
    
    It gets its first trial by fire on two gigs back to back tonight, I'll
    let you know in the morning what I think.
    
    
                                               Brian

    I've got a Nady 101 ...
    
    With the adjutable gain cranked, I don't hear any loss of attack on
    soft notes.  Yeah, there's *some* compression, but not enough to be a
    big deal.  
    
    Jerry

    Anybody using a Nady RW-1?  I'm looking at going wireless (for bass)
    and adding this to the rack would be real convenient.

    Thanks,
    Rick

    
    
    So, what's the latest scoop on wireless stuff?  Looks like VHF
    diversity is probably the most cost-effective way to go.  How much are
    the Samson and Nady units going for?  Any others to consider?
    
    

    
    
     I'm using a Shure L-4 diversity receiver and I'm real happy with:
    
    	1) sound quality and reception
    	2) battery life in the transmitter (11-12 hours!)
    	3) construction quality of both recsiver and transmiter
    	4) valu for the price (~$400)
    
    							-John R-

    
    
            I just got a Audiotechnica300 for my b-day and I'm happy with
    it. You can get one on on sale for around $250-300. The cool thing
    about this unit is that it has a built in function that lets you do
    chanel switching on your amp. There is a button on about a 7 inch 
    wire that you can velcro to your axe, and then just push it when you
    want to switch. No more foot switch.
    
                           Jeff

    
    
    Just picked up a Samson SR22 with two transmitters for $175 out of the
    Recycler...talk about your true diversity...two receivers, two
    transmitters, I feel like Ted Turner...
    
    And the battery doors on both transmitters are intact!
    

    Over here (UK) our local shops seem to be concentrating on the
    Beyerdynamic wireless.  It isn't diversity but I don't think I need
    diversity.  The Duracell batteries last ages (I've been changing them
    after every gig only to discover it is still going strong after many
    hours practising).  No problems with picking up the signal but it does
    crackle now and then, the shop have offered to take it back if I can't
    figure out what's causing it.
    
    Price around �189.  The people in the shops warned against the Nady
    claiming they are too unreliable.  
    
    I bought mine to speed up the setup time rather than to be able to
    wander (we have small stages over here anyway) but it is nice to stand
    by the outside door in the evening and get the cool outside air when
    everyone else is sweltering inside.
    
    The other plus point is of course the improved sound quality.  I can
    actually use the volume pot on the guitar without it sounding too
    muffled now.
    
    tmp              

    Anyone mind if we revive this discussion?
    
    Last entries seem to be about a year old.  What's the best Wireless to
    buy today?    Are there any good UHF or multichannel systems that
    humans can afford?
    
    Mike

    I don't think the scene has changed much over here (UK).  I'm
    reasonably happy with what I bought (see .-2).  The only thing I would
    change is I would try out a diversity system as I get quite a few
    dropouts even in line of sight, nothing too serious though.  I haven't
    had the guts to wander off the stage either, I'm not sure what I'd do
    if I did.  I'm not a very animated player :-)  
    
    I managed to tape the receiver into a rack shelf and run a wire to an
    aerial on the top of my rack box, so it not technically being
    rack-mountable hasn't stopped me rack-mounting it.
    
    The only thing that worried me is that you can get so far away from the
    amp, there's a noticeable time delay between what you play and what you
    hear.  It must be terrible playing large stages (if you don't have
    decent foldback).
    
    tmp

I think the delay would be do to the speed of sound rather than the speed of
the wireless.

Jim

    It is (the speed of sound) - and it will REALLY mess with you.  :-)
    
    Whatever one ends up getting, I recommend getting a good one. 
    Diversity is a MUST if you're near a city!  And one that won't gobble
    three batteries a night is also important (as is an auto-off on your
    belt-pack.
    
    I've never heard of a UHF system (mine's VHF) - What gives?
    jc

    UHF (ultra-high freq) is generally cleaner 'cuz there are less people
    up there.  Most of the Nady/Samson/AT/Shure systems are on the VHF
    channels - creating clutter.  
    I've tried the cheap Nady systems in the past and was not too happy. 
    Just one glitch during a quiet song tends to make them expendible for
    my tastes.
    There's a newer Nady that's 4 UHF channels (switchable) for about $700
    (catalog).  Has anyone tried it?   
    Samson also makes a fully synthesized (something like 50 user
    selectable channels) for around $1500 or so. It also runs way up into
    cellular freq's (I think - 900mhz+).   I'm wondering if I need to get
    something like this to get away from the "toy" freq's.  These, BTW, are
    not available at your local music store.   I find them in specialty
    catalogs or shops.   ...can't afford them, I just find them.
    
    Still, the thing that really *irks* me is when you're quiet for a
    measure for a vocal solo thing, and a wireless goes
    Ppppphhhhththtthgblwx!!!!!      It's probably not as noticable for
    thrash metal....
    Mike
    
    
    
    
    

    oops
    I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea 'bout that thrash metal
    comment.   I'd like to do a metal band thing (Coop and I have tossed
    the idea around some..)  but now I have a gig doin' a much more
    "sensitive"  pop/rock/jazz thing.
    -my amp still goes to 11.  I don't always get to turn it up to there.
    Mike.
    

    Bailiff!
    
    ;-)
    
    $1500 for a wireless??  Are you insane???  Buy more 4x12's first!!
    :-)

    Yes.
    I am in the pursuit of quality.
    However, when I get it, I won't be able to blame my equipment anymore.
    I might have to learn to play... ;-)
    
    Sure.... give me grief now.   After I have it, you'll be jealous!!!
    eh?
    Mike
    

    Why!?  I've been cutting back on my 4x12's...
    I've only got a pair of JCM900's now...
    :-)

    >    However, when I get it, I won't be able to blame my equipment anymore.
    >	 ;-)
    
    This is the lie we all tell ourselves over and over...
    
    ;-)
    
    	db - fellow GTS sufferer