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417.1 | My humble opinion | MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID | Not so famous rock star | Thu Dec 10 1987 15:04 | 30 |
| As the average guitarist is usually not musically literate...at least
they don't seem to be, a great deal of the discussion on technique,
theory etc. seems to die due to lack of understanding on the part of
those of us who haven't been to school...perhaps I'm just speaking for
myself. When you don't speak the same language it's difficult to
communicate. The average VT in use doesn't lend itself to drawing
pictures to illustrate either....not to mention the lack of decent
graphics software to the average noter...
Equipment reviews are very important to those of us who try to get the
best bang for the buck out of our purchases. I wish that COMMUSIC
had been more active around the time I bought my synth, I wouldn't
have spent $1K on an obsolete synth. Also it is valuable to have
info like mail order dealers that give us a great deal, mostly this
has been confined to COMMUSIC but I've mentioned a few here that
I thought were worth giving a call. And finally being as I am at
a remote site, not only in terms of the Corporation but Augusta
is kinda remote in terms of music stores that are well stocked,
again the reviews are helpful in getting a feel for things I can't
get out to touch without a long drive.
If you feel that discussions of other things are in order then by
all means enter them and start the ball rolling. So far this file
has met my needs and my expectations.
dave
Methinks this might have been spurred on by the similar discussion
in COMMUSIC?
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417.2 | THIS IS A NON-FLAMMATORY REPLY!!!!! | VIDEO::BUSENBARK | | Thu Dec 10 1987 16:13 | 22 |
| Gee Dave?!! I was always harrased at school that Rock musicians
always talk hardware and Jazz musicians talk theory and music. :^)
If the general concensus want's this,so be it! But,it would be
much better if someone who knows starts with some basics so even the
beginners can plug along and learn from all the old timers and educated
bunch. What's the sense of talking about lydian modal scales or indian raga's
over Maj7 chords when you can't read the text(yet you speak the language) :^)
I'm all for it! And I'm sure there are some people who would love to get there
guitar/music lessons from the notes. Who want's to start the basic's?
Volunteers?
Comment:
The notesfile suit's my needs which are more inclined towards
info and discussions on hardware,but I'm more than willing to contribute
to theoretical discussions when I have the time.....
Rick
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417.3 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Dec 10 1987 17:17 | 15 |
| No, you guys misunderstand.
I'm not questioning the importance of discussions of equipment.
I guess you could summarize my original note as asking the question
"Doesn't anyone want to talk about anything else?"
Dave Bottom pointed out that there are some limitations imposed
by the medium, so I might rephrase my question to be "Isn't there
anything else we can talk about."
There have been some non-equipment related notes but there doesn't
seem to be much enthusiasm for them.
db
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417.4 | too much book larnin | ERLANG::SUDAMA | Living is easy with eyes closed... | Thu Dec 10 1987 17:35 | 19 |
| First of all I'd like to say that this is my favorite notes conference.
It's helped me to get access a lot of information and opinions (yes,
they help too) that I'd never have gotten otherwise.
My reaction to this note is that music is to be played, not talked
about. Like cars are to be driven, sailboats are to be sailed, etc.
A certain amount of understanding the theory behind what you do
can be useful (I've had my share), but personally I find too much
to be boring. Hardware, on the other hand, is a reality that we
all have to live with, and it's worth hearing other peoples'
experiences in that regard.
Not to come down too hard on theory and technique. If somebody knows
something that has worked for them, let's hear about it. I've just
found that I get a lot more out of listening and watching somebody
play for 5 minutes than I could get out of years of talking about
it.
- Ram
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417.5 | | PARSEC::MELENDEZ | | Thu Dec 10 1987 19:48 | 8 |
|
Congratulation Dave! You have us talking about something other
then equipment. I think this note file is great! There is a lot
of good information here about equipment and theory.
Yes, I will agree that some of the notes are long and boring, but
it who knows if the information would be of value some day.
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417.6 | | MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID | Not so famous rock star | Fri Dec 11 1987 07:46 | 11 |
| Well I think I misunderstood a bit anyway..I'd love to have a
discussion that started with basic scales ie: major/minor and worked
it way through modes etc...another one on chord theory would be
nice also...I'm intent on teaching myself to sight read and have
begun putting a bit of time into it...technically in terms of reading
I'm woefully ignorant. I can't begin it but I could ask questions
once it began.
dae
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417.7 | Either way... | SKIVT::HEARN | Timeshare - Life's a BATCH anyway | Fri Dec 11 1987 08:25 | 10 |
|
GUITAR seems good to me - if nothing else, I know what topic I
*should* be talking about. Nothing against the equipment side
of things. I play, but I'm not real strong on theory - so it's
hard for me to start something along those lines.
I do like reading about it though. It gives me a chance to 'pick
up' on things that I'd, otherwise, not find out about.
Rich
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417.8 | A thought | RETORT::BANKS | Lex Rex | Fri Dec 11 1987 09:24 | 16 |
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Those of us who play only or primarily acoustic guitar have only
limited interest in the many notes on amps and accessories and
effects, etc. I think about the differnce between Guitar Player
Magazine and Frets Magazine, and wonder how many people might be
interested in having their own notesfile for acoustic string
musicians. A "Frets" style notesfile would reduce the amount of
topics on amps and effects, etc, but would also open the
discussion to people who may play other acoustic stringed
instuments like mandolin, banjo, etc. They have no conference to
turn to for their musical interests. Perhaps in this confernce,
since there is a narrower range of "hardware" other than the
instruments themselves, more discussion would center on technique
and music.
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417.9 | Folk Music Notesfile | AQUA::ROST | A circle's not invisible | Fri Dec 11 1987 10:32 | 7 |
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Those of you who play acoustic instruments, and non-guitar acoustic
stuff may want to know about ESPN::FOLK_MUSIC.
That conference is much less musician oriented but a lot of acoustic
players can be found there.
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417.10 | more is better | ERLANG::SUDAMA | Living is easy with eyes closed... | Fri Dec 11 1987 12:32 | 13 |
| I have to agree that before I got back into playing electric I didn't
find this conference to be very interesting. Also, as Brian said,
the FOLK_MUSIC conference is not very musician oriented, and is
heavily weighted towards 'traditional' folk music, as opposed to
contemporary acoustic music. I could go for a separate conference
on acoustic instruments.
Again, I feel like there are plenty of books and instruction available
on music theory, so I don't really feel it needs to be discussed in the
notesfile, unless someone has specific questions that they can't readily
find the answers to.
- Ram
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417.11 | I like Folk_music, BUT... | RETORT::BANKS | Lex Rex | Fri Dec 11 1987 13:39 | 6 |
|
The Folk_Music notesfile is primarily LISTENER oriented. I read
that conference daily. However, as others have stated, it is not
a file aimed primarily at the interests of MUSICIANS,
(performers.) although many musicians participate.
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417.12 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Fri Dec 11 1987 14:18 | 2 |
| Theory and technique aren't the only alternatives to talking about
equipment.
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417.13 | | MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID | Not so famous rock star | Mon Dec 14 1987 11:40 | 3 |
| re: .12 Say some more about this please
dave
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417.14 | Already have | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | New Wage Musician | Mon Dec 14 1987 13:24 | 3 |
| re: .13
See my latest notes. I think these are interesting topics.
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417.15 | what about... | ANGORA::JACQUES | | Mon Dec 14 1987 15:08 | 32 |
| I think it would help if we came up with a standard way of
illustrating chords. Even without graphics capability, we
should be able to get our point across. For example
Cmajor
======
1
------ first fret
2
------
3
------
If we could do something along these lines, we could communicate
our musical thoughts through this file. Plenty of times I have
wanted to share some of my favorite jams with noters, so that I
could share what I know as well as solicate ideas someone may have
for chord changes, soloing scales, techniques, etc. I can't speak
for anyone else, but I know that my ear is decent enough that if
someone described a tune with chords, and a basic idea of melody
I can pretty much hear it in my head.
Another idea is to start a chord library somewhere is this notes
file, where people could enter some of the more basic, as well as
the more obscure chord diagrams. Then if someone wanted to describe
how a tune sounds they could refer to note xx, reply yy, chord position
zz.
Mark Jacques
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417.16 | perhaps there isn't an answer to please all | CSC32::G_HOUSE | Greg House - CSC/CS | Wed Dec 16 1987 13:03 | 39 |
| RE: < Note 417.6 by MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID "Not so famous rock star" >
Also .14
>Well I think I misunderstood a bit anyway..I'd love to have a
>discussion that started with basic scales ie: major/minor and worked
>it way through modes etc...another one on chord theory would be
>nice also...I'm intent on teaching myself to sight read and have
>begun putting a bit of time into it...technically in terms of reading
>I'm woefully ignorant. I can't begin it but I could ask questions
>once it began.
I'm also in this same position. Would like to see some information
on this. I know that I can find this in many books on the subject,
but I don't know which ones are good (but that's another note subject)
and many times don't have time to read them (I know...that's my
problem).
I think that note #380 was a plea along the same lines, requesting
some theory and technique information.
Also, I'm not knocking the discussion of equipment, the information
found here is the best I know of. I don't trust the reviews in
magazines, too easy for them to be biased and/or "influenced".
I'm also in Dave's position, would like to see it, but don't know
enough to begin the discussion. Perhaps part of the basic problem
here is the different levels (both current and desired) of knowledge
and experience among the noters.
RE: .0 (I think) where Dave B. said something about theory discussions
not going anywhere.
It seems to me (perhaps my ignorance) that theory questions have
a definative answer and therefore require no discussion once that
answer has been presented...
Just a few cents worth,
Greg
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417.17 | alternative chord notation for non-graphic terminals | UHURU::LAMBERT | Skating away... | Thu Dec 17 1987 09:32 | 18 |
| re: -2. An alternative?
====== nut
||||o| I always let whoever wants to play the chord figure
++++++ out what fingers they want to use.
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C
bye the way dave, i'm very much into theory, notation, transcription,
etc. i'm working on a program which will allow you to set up a
sequence of notes in a file and then perform some standard and not
so standard transformations on them. i think i'll start a new note
about it....
-max-
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417.18 | don't reinvent the wheel | CSSE::CLARK | dodging lions and wasting time | Thu Dec 17 1987 14:40 | 5 |
| re .17: This has already been done. Check out note 174. You can
enter any sequence of notes relative to any key and have them
printed up and down the neck. All the instructions are there.
-Dave
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