Conference napalm::guitar

	Go look in NOVA::COMMUSIC.  There's a wealth of info on that kinda thing
there.  Don't know note numbers, but a DIR/TITLE="VERB" would do jus' fine.

    I was just looking at the Microverb, Midiverb, and midiverb II units
    a couple of days ago, and am planning to purchase a midiverb II in
    a couple of weeks. The micro verb was the first product from Alesis.
    It offers 16 preset digital reverb effects in a package about the
    size of a small radar detector. The midi verb was an upgrade which
    included midi, and was in the same basic package. If you wanted
    you could rack mount two of these side by side in a one high rack
    space. Then they came out with the midiverb II. As far as I'm con-
    cerned this unit is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It
    offers 99 different effect including:
    
    		About 30 different reverb effects including various
    	room sizes, gated reverb, bright, dark etc. etc.
    
    		About 20 different digital delay effects of increasing
    	time.
    
    		About 10-15 chorus effects (some neat ones.)
    	
    		About 10-15 flange effects (some neat ones.)
    
    		Another 10 or so special effects (you'd have to hear.)
    
    		Midi control
    
    		Unity gain controls
    
    		effect mix control
    
    		stereo outputs.
    
    		regeneration in/out for infinate repeat echoes.
    
    		All this in a on high 19" rack mount package
    
    		List price is 399. Since this unit is so new, and so
    		great most dealers don't want to dicker on the price,
    		however the guy in Wurlitzers (of all places) was willing
    		to sell them for 370 with a little arm twisting.
    
    You really ought to demo this unit. It is unbelieveable , especially
    for the money. Later on if you want to control it  with a footswitch,
    or otherwise, you can do so with any midi controller or intelligent
    footswitch you want, as long as it is Midi.
    
    							Mark Jacques
    							LM02/Marlboro
    

    You might also consider the ART Proverb. Has 99 presets like the
    Midiverb II, is rackmountable, and is stereo. Only difference is
    it's slightly noiser than the II and can be had for 299 at most
    dealers. 
    
    If you want to use the midiverb (the original unit) with your guitar
    or bass you should know that the input jacks are RCA phone plugs,
    not 1/4". 
        
    Dan 

< Note 249.2 by PLDVAX::JACQUES >

 	Not to be picky, but;

		The MIDIVERB came out first.  Had some problems with RF problems
for some people.  Was not rack-mount...

	Then came microverb, followed closely by MIDIVERB II.

	The MICROVERB sells for $240.  But some mail-order places have let them
go for as low as $195.

	Dan

    Re: .3 Another difference between the Alesis Midiverb and the ART
    proverb is that the midiverb has a random access selector, while
    the proverb unit is serial access. On the midiverb, if you want
    sound number 50 you type in 50. On the proverb if you are at
    sound #20 and you want sound #50 you have to hit the up arrow
    key and wait for the numbers to increment 21,22,23 and so on.
    Also the two units have different preset sounds. One has more
    digital reverb effects (I believe its the Midiverb) while the other
    has more delay,chorus,flange effects (In this case I think its the
    proverb), but I could be wrong, so please no flaming.
    
    With either device, however you can control them with midi, regardless
    whether they are random access or serial access.
           
    							Mark J.
    

    Re: -1  You're right on all counts. You can, however, get the numbers to
    increment faster by pressing both buttons on the front panel. 
    Dan

    I am getting ready to buy a Midiverb II. These are the prices I
    have been quoted.
    
    	Union	$399.oo list price/ won't budge (but they do offer loner
    policy and are close to my house for convenience sake).
    
    	Wurlitzers, Worcester	$375.oo	(but they suck to deal with,
    probably don't offer loners.
    
    	Ted Herberts Music Mart, Manchester, N.H. $325 (A whopping 20%
    off list price + no sales tax. They are also a good store to deal
    with. However, Manchester is about 1.5 hour ride from my house.
    Still well worth the trip when you figure I'll be saving $100.oo
    I might be looking for a few other items while I'm up there, so
    the trip will definately be worthwhile.
    
    	I have dealt with Ted Herberts before and they are definately
    one of the best music stores I have ever dealt with. They always
    give great prices, and have saleman that know what they are talking
    about. They are a complete music store in that they offer everything
    from guitars, keyboards, PA, recording, drums, lessons, repairs,
    etc, etc.
    
    	Check them out if you are ever up in Manchester. Those of you who can't
    talk their wifes/girlfreinds into making the trip to Manchester might
    mention that the Mall of New Hampshire is right down the street,
    so they can shop while you visit Ted Herbert's.
    
    							Take care
    							Mark Jacques
    							LM02/ Marlboro,Ma
     
    

    2 weeks ago I purchased a Midiverb II. I've spent some time with
    it since I bought it and so far I'm delighted with it. I am using
    it with a single amp so I'm not yet able to enjoy the stereo 
    feature of the MVII. Also, I haven't used the midi feature yet
    but I have shopped around for a midi footpedal controller for
    it and so far the only ones that I have seen that are compatable
    are the Yamaha Intellegent foot controller ($225) and the Peavey
    intellegent foot controller ($150). I'm waiting to see if Alesis
    comes out with one. They make a midi patch controller MPX that sells
    for $100, but it is meant for handheld or table top use. The nice
    thing about the MPX is that you only have to set one midi channel
    on the MVII and you emmediately have access to all 99 programs. It
    has a numeric keypad, and you just plug in the 2 digit number like
    you would on the front panel. If they can put this into a pedal, it
    will be perfect for guitar use.
    
    	Getting back to the MVII, I have tried all of the effects. Some
    admitted are meant for one type of instrument. For example some
    of the gated reverbs are really meant for snare drum, and if you
    use them for guitar, they don't sound that great. Most of the effects
    however are useable and sound really nice. The special effect bank
    90-99 includes 3 regenerated delays, but I find you can get all
    the regeneration you want by connecting a patch cord from the spare
    input to the spare output. You have to watch levels when you do
    this or the feedback will take a wall out of your house. The unit
    has some really nifty reverse reverb effects. Kind of like the 
    reverse recording on the Beatle's song Paperback Rider. There are
    also two different "Bloom" effects which are supposedly Alesis
    exclusives. The Bloom effect is a subtle form of reverse reverb that 
    makes chords ring for four times as long and adds a lot of "glitter"
    to your sound. The flange effects are nice, but the triggered flange
    is not suitable for every instrument. Alesis includes a sheet on
    the flange effects and the use of triggered flange. The choruses
    are real nice as well. 
    
    	As you can probably tell by now I am delighted with this unit.
    Previously the only true effect I was using was a Boss CE1 chorus
    ensemble. I paid $225 for the CE1 8 years ago. The MVII has 99 
    different sound effects for $325 (that's what I paid). Just another
    example of how the technology is improving, especially in the price
    for performance area.
    
    							Mark Jacques
                                                        LM02/Marlboro
                	
    

    You probably know this, but just in case...
    
    If you've got access to a MIDI keyboard you can use that to
    change patches on your MIDIverb. You can also sequence the
    changes and have 'em change on the fly...
    
    Edd

    I just thought some people might be interested in what the
    99 programs are on the Midiverb II.
                            
    Bank 0,1,2 Reverb
    
    01 small bright .1s    10 med bright .6s     19 med bright 1.65s
    02 small bright .2s    11 med bright .8s     20 med bright 1.9s
    03 small bright .3s    12 large warm 1s      21 large warm 2.2s
    04 medium warm 1.1s    13 large warm 1.1s    22 large warm 1.75s
    05 medium bright .6s   14 med dark 1s        23 large bright 1.45s
    06 large bright 1.2s   15 med bright 1.1s    24 large dark 2.2s
    07 large dark 1s       16 med bright 1.15s   25 large warm 2.3s
    08 medium dark .6s     17 large bright 1.6s  26 large bright 2.4s
    09 medium dark .5s     18 large dark 1.7s    27 large bright 2.5s
                                                                     
    28 xlarge warm 5s
    29 xlarge warm 15s
                      
    bank 3 Gated reverb     bank 4 reverse reverb   bank 5 flange
    
    30 slow gate 100ms      40 reverse 400ms        50 trig flange 1
    31 slow gate 200ms      41 reverse 450ms        51 flange pan 1
    32 slow gate 250ms      42 reverse 250ms        52 flange pan 2
    33 slow gate 400ms      43 reverse 200ms        53 trig flange 2
    34 slow gate 450ms      44 reverse 150ms        54 flange pan 3
    35 fast gate 150ms      45 bloom 1 8sec         55 flange pan 4
    36 fast gate 75ms       46 reverse 500ms        56 flange pan 5
    37 fast gate 200ms      47 reverse regen 2s     57 trig flange 3  
    38 fast gate 100ms      48 reverse regen 8s     58 flange pan 6
    39 fast gate 175ms      49 bloom 2 7sec         59 flange pan 7
    
    Bank 6 chorus           Bank 7,8 delay
    
    60 light chorus 1       70 35ms                 80 185ms
    61 light chorus 2       71 55ms                 81 195ms
    62 med chorus 1         72 75ms                 82 205ms
    63 med chorus 2         73 115ms                83 210ms
    64 med chorus 3         74 140ms                84 220ms
    65 deep chorus 1        75 155ms                85 240ms
    66 deep chorus 2        76 160ms                86 250ms
    67 deep chorus 3        77 170ms                87 275ms
    68 fast chorus 1        78 175ms                88 375ms
    69 fast chorus 2        79 180ms                89 460ms
                                                            
    Bank 9 special effects
    
    90 2 tap ambient
    91 3 tap pan
    92 multitap
    93 multitap reverse pan
    94 thickener/frozen flange
    95 stereo generation
    96 stereo generation wide
    97 regenerated delay 2s
    98 regenerated delay 3s
    99 regenerated delay 4s
    00 defeat
    

    Has Alesis come out with a direct/random access pedal yet for the
    MIDIverb II?
    
    What mail order shop carry these babies?

Any MIDI foot controller would do the job...Alesis doesn't make a foot 
controller

dbii

    I think DIGItech makes a PDS3500 MIDI controller for about $100.
    Thats cheap.  Don't know any specifics though...
                    
    jc

    Yes I have the PDS3500 brochure in front of me.  Stores 1,984 presets
    in 64 banks of 31 presets each, LED readout.  You can add DOD's FX17 
    controller pedal to access all of the MIDI continuous controllers functions.
    
    Mike

    Does anyone out there make a Midi foot controller that can broadcast
    signals on more then one MIDI channel (maybe foot selectable, or at the
    same time)?
    
    This would be useful for players that like the convenience of a foot
    controller, but have more then one midi device that they'd like to
    control seperately (like me).
    
    (Yes I know about midi maps already, I have to use them now...)
    
    Greg

    
      I believe that the ADA MC-1 broadcast on 1-16 and omni(all) midi
    channels. 
    
    								R.C.
    

    Perhaps my question wasn't clear.  What I want is a way to select which
    channel it transmits on from the switch itself, not with some little
    dip switches, so that I can send different signals to different units
    with each assigned to a seperate MIDI channel.  
    
    I have an MC-1, it doesn't even come close to what I'm talking about. 
    It sends one patch change request (0-128) to either all MIDI channels
    or one (dip switch selectable).  What would be really nice would be
    something where I select a patch, it would send two or more patch
    change requests on different MIDI channels at the same time.
    
    I'd settle for something that would toggle between two MIDI channels
    and let you send different change requests to each.
    
    In the mean time, what MIDI controllers are available?  I've been
    thinking about getting a different one for performance since the
    switches on the ADA are too small and too close together.  It requires
    more concentration then I care to use to get the right change with
    tennis shoes on.
    
    The Sholtz one looks really nice in their ads, has anyone used one?
    
    Greg

    Re: .16
    
    I'm not familiar with the unit you refer to, but I've yet to see ANY
    device that *transmitted* in OMNI mode. It's relatively easy to ignore
    the channel byte, but covering 16 bases in one shot seems difficult at
    best. 
    
    Are you sure about this?
    
    Edd

    Greg,
    
    My Peavy RMC <whatever> does what your saying.
    
    It's got one MIDI IN jack, and *FOUR* seperate MIDI OUTs... When
    your program the pedal, you can specify which MIDI OUTput (or all),
    AND which channel you broadcast on.  Of course, then you'll have
    FOUR MIDI cables plugged in back...  I'd daisy chain and set channels
    as follows:  
                                                     
    Seems to me that you should be able to set your MP1 to receive channel
    2 (for example) and your SGE to receive channel one, and set your
    patch changer to send to your favorite device...Errr...Wait.  you
    have to change channels via a DIP switch on the MC1?  ...Disregard 
    the above... 
    
    
    jc (Who hasn't seen the MC1 up close...)

    
          If you are saying that you want to change one unit but not
    the other then when you map out your midi make it that way.
    
    EX:
    
                           ______MP-1 program 101
                          /
                         /
     Hit MC-1 program 101
                         \
                          \______Quadraverb program 93
                                                         
    
      Now if I want to change The Quad but keep MP-1 the same:
    
                           ______MP-1 program 101
                          /
                         /
     Hit MC-1 program 102
                         \
                          \______Quadraverb program 94
    
      If I want to keep the Quad the same and change MP-1:
    
                          ______MP-1 program 108
                         /
                        / 
     Hit MC-1 program 103
                        \
                         \______Quadreverb program 94
    
                         
     If I want to bypass the Quad (without manually hitting bypass switch)
    I put the effect mix on Quad to zero, then match the direct volume
    to the MP-1's. I'm not sure if it is the same on the SGE. I hope this
    is what you were asking. If not, sorry, I tried again. (^:)
             
                                                               R.C.
                                        

    Thanks R.C., that's what I'm doing now (except that you can't control
    the effect mix on the SGE except from the front panel).
    
    What I was hoping for, without having to buy two controllers, was have
    a little more control.  Ie, without messing with the MIDI maps ahead of
    time, send say patch 70 to the MP-1, then change the SGE dynamically
    from patch 104 to 108 to 102.  The automatic combinations are nice
    sometimes, but there are other times when I want one to stay constant
    and the other change.  
    
    The Midi maps let me do what I need, but if I have to  use a bunch of
    them for subtle differences in tones or effects, I'm going to run out. 
    One would normally think that 128 (or 200) patches is plenty, but if it
    takes 6 of them to get a few different sounds for one song...
    
    It's not like I'm even close to running out now, so I'm not terribly
    concerned, but it would be nice to have the kind of control.  I end up
    using the same sound sometimes now when I might not really want to.
    
    What I really want a different foot controller now for is because the
    MC-1 has small buttons close together.  It's not too much of a problem
    if I'm wearing cowboy boots, but if I wear tennis shoes, I often hit
    two switches when I go for the big stomp, y'know?
                                                     
    Greg

Will the Midiverb II handle more than one simultaneous effect?

    -1
    
    Nope, it's a one-at-a-time effect, but it does great verbs n chorusing!
    
    B.

    The MIdiverb III does not do multiple effects at once, it's a beefed
    up MVII that allows you edit the patches..
    
    Our Video lab here at ASO has one...
    
    Alesis only makes one multi effect box, the quadraverb
    
    dbii

I had my sights on the midiverb, but then came apon the Digitech DSP 128+

Bawls delux!

four effects at a time, reverb-delay-chorous-flange..

Nice clean dealy, versitle chorous/flange,,, and a 
pretty good grease unit too... cost, about 300.00

If you're looking for a guitar signal processor, try one out.

I'm not sure how they'd do for an out board P/A rack..  I've been told
they've been used as such, but,,,  not sure how cleanly they made that
flight..  (not sure what you're looking for..)


But for an axe effect,, they're dynamite.

There's a few other ones out, like the GSP125, but it's mucho buckerinos
(around 4 or 5 I thought..)

I think ROLAND just popped a mutli-effect rack out, but with anything New from
Roland, you'd best mortgage the house...  8 or 9 big ones..

    I also think the DSP128+ is a great price/performance package.  I
    wondered about the MidiVerb II because someone posted one in the "For
    Sale" note for $180.
    
    Mike

    > But it (MIDIverb II) does grat verbs and chorusing!
    
    You wouldn't say that if you had heard a Boss RCE-10 (or the chorus
    sound of a JC-120 amp which I think uses a packaged RCE-10).
    
    The MV-II chorusing really does not impress me at all.
    
    The RCE-10 is phenomenal!  But all it does is chorusing.  Unlike the
    MV-II it uses TWO delay units to get an incredible deep chorus sound.
    
    In stereo, the sound is nothing short of DRAMATIC.  Play through my
    JC-120 w/o chorus and you can very easily hear the sound as coming
    out of the box.
    
    Flip on the Chorus sound, and all of a sudden the source of the sound
    becomes much wider (this is due to a psycho-acoustic side-effect of
    stereo chorusing).
    
    	db

    The MIDIverbII give s you the programmingof the QV but only one at a
    time
    
    dbii

    I'm sure Dave meant to say " The MVII gives you the *programs* of
    the QV...".
    
    The MVII is not programmable.
    
    Edd

    I meant to say that the MV III gives you the programmability of the QV
    but only lets you do one effect at a time...
    
    dbii

    I saw in COMMUSIC that the Quadraverb can now do sampling if you buy a
    $30 chip to add to it.  Anyone have any details on the sampling time
    length?
    
    Mike

    
    
    Can anyone tell me more about  the Alesis Quadraverb (someone who
    own's one preferably), as I am to lazy to go to my local music shop
    and find out. Sorry !!!
    
    
    CR

    I'm surprised there isn't more people in here with a Quadraverb.  They
    seem like nice units and are real popular around here.  Is there
    something about them that DECcies don't like?
    
    Curious_Mike

    They're pretty expensive...Especially when you can get a DSP128+ for 
    $250.  They ARE nice units though...
    
    jc

    Aren't they around $400?  That would be the same ballpark as a ART
    Multiverb III or Digitech DSP256.
    
    Mike

    RE: Mike
    
    Less is more!
    
    Buck, who is perfectly happy with just an MV_II

    I foudn the MVII to be a great reverb and not much else...(hear that
    db?) the MVII doesn't stereoize a mono source for one thing..
    
    I really like my Quad, and I'm considering putting the $30 upgrade in
    to make it a quadplus.
    
    It may not be the end all of multi-effects, personally I wish the
    "enhanced" reverbs were available in quad mode (4 effects at once) I
    wish the graphic eq allowed for reverb at the same time...but that's
    the breaks...
    
    dbii

    I told Santa that I want that Quattro, a Quadraverb, and a MOSValve in
    a 6 space rack (with casters) and 2 Boogie 1x12s ;-)
    
    I'm tired of lugging that beast of an M1 around! ;-)
    
    Mike

    -2
    
    >good for reverb but not much else
    
    You're crazy!!!
    
    The MV_II does has a bitchin chorus sound in it, and decent delays (I
    can live with em!).  The gated verbs and stuff are useless, but give
    it more credit than THAT.
    
    Sheeesh

    re: Buck
    
    Buck, have you heard a JC-120 w. the chorus on?  Or tried a BOSS
    RCE-10?  Or a CE-3?
    
    I have - I agree with dbII (as I did in .29).  The MV-II chorus is a
    definite yawner compared to the devices I mentioned.  No comparison.
    
    Your average chorus unit is basic a single DDL with a moderate delay
    factor that gets modulated in the time domain.  The "depth" control
    is how wide the modulation is, the "rate" control is the how fast
    the modulation is.
    
    What most chorus units do is mix the delayed signal back in with the
    dry signal.  Some so-called "stereo" choruses obtain stereo by
    inverting the signal in some way - to my ears, the "stereo" effect
    of the MV-II chorus sounds like an out-of-phase inversion.  That
    makes it sound particularly thin.
    
    The devices I mentioned are distinguished by having TWO DDLs whose
    individual modulations are  180 degrees out of phase.
    
    This makes for a much richer chorus sound (it's SPECTACULARLY DRAMATIC
    in stereo) and tends to make it sound less out of tune as well.
    
    Anyway if you're using MV-II for chorus effect, you could do a LOT
    better.

    -1
    
    Diff'nt strokes, I guess...
    
    Yeah, I've tried a JC-120 w/chorusd...it roolz with a strat!  I have
    tried the CE-3 as well..yawn!  I love ALL the MV_II chorus programs.
    Hmmm, guess it's just personal taste.
    
    Buck, who's very fussy about chorus, and if you wanna rag on one, pick
    on GK!

    RE: Buck
    
    Hey !  Whats wrong with GK chorus ??
    
    Personal Opinion ?  The best chorus I've heard is a ADA Mp1's Analog.
    What a sound.  The best delays come from an old tape Echoplex, and
    the coolest flange comes from a Roland SDE1000...Find a unit that does
    those, and your SET !
    
    RE:>          <<< Note 249.40 by PNO::HEISER "stand in the gap" >>>
    
    RE:> I'm tired of lugging that beast of an M1 around! ;-)
    
    RE:> Mike

    RE:> Oh brother.    ;)
    
    RE:> jc (who sez: Mikes got GTS, Mikes got GTS...Nah-ne-nah-ne-boo-boo)
    

    re: .-1
    
    Roland SDE-1000 is, I believe, in the same "family" as the ones I
    mentioned.
    
    	db

    I disagree with dbII about a MVII not producing a stereo image from
    a mono source. It definately does. If you don't agree, plug into
    one of the inputs, select program 91, and drive the stereo outputs 
    into a stereo amp (or two amps). Program 91 is perhaps one of the
    most dramatic stereo efx the MVII does. All the programs are stereo
    but some are not quite as noticeable as others. The flange programs
    all pan quite noticeably, as do the chorus. The reverb programs
    and straight delays (patches 70-89) are not as profound as others.
    
    I'm using a Mesa Boogie studio preamp, with a MVII in the loop. It's
    simple, I get all the sounds I need, and it is never muddy or over-
    processed. The chorus sounds are definately sufficient for the few
    occassions where I need chorus.
    
    I believe the Alesis Quadroverb hit the market at the same time as
    ART, Digitech, and others came out with similar products, and thus
    was lost in a Sea of layered processors. Many of the competing 
    products included pitch-shift and the Quadroverb didn't. That 
    was the big killer IMHO.
    
    I have been tempted to buy another MVII on many occasions, especially 
    when prices dropped below $200.00. I could always use an extra reverb 
    for my PA. It just has never made it to the top of my priority list. 
    
    Mark

    re: -1
    
    > I disagree with dbII about a MVII not producing a stereo image from
    > a mono source. It definately does.
    
    Well, it does produce a "stereo" image in that the two channels are 
    slightly different, but I think there's some confusion about is meant
    by a stereo image.
    
    The MV-II has ONE and only ONE digital signal processor.  That places
    a considerable limit on the kind of stereo effects it can do.  From
    what I've heard, it can do panning, and it can invert a signal.
    
    Those are not "dramatic" effects in stereo.
    
    Frankly, I'm *** STUNNED *** to hear that ANYONE prefers the MV-II
    chorus to any of the JC/RDE/SDE series.  I think you guys know that I'm
    not given to raves in the equipment area but the difference strikes me
    as so dramatic.
    
    It's GOT to be because you do things in MONO.
    
    In MONO you don't get the true benefit of the RCE.
    
    My stereo has a "mono" switch on it.
    
    Run the RCE in mono and it sounds only slightly better than other
    choruses.  Take it out of mono mode and you get a DRAMATIC
    psycho-acoustic effect - it's almost like your ears can't tell where
    the speakers are placed.
    
    Run the MV-II in stereo and then put it into mono, and you can hardly
    tell any difference.
    
    I suppose that for mono guitar rigs, the MV-II will do.  But it's main
    thing to me is that it's cheap, and it does a lot of things fairly
    well.  (Hey, that's why I bought it!)
    
    But for recording, and for stereo guitar rigs, I mean...   well...
    I think there's no comparison.
    
    	db
    
    p.s.  Here's an experiment you can make to show what you're misssing.
          You only need a DDL with adjustable modulation on it.
    
    Setup a stereo experiment.  Have one side be a dry signal, have the
    other side be a modulated delay around 125 ms with fairly slow rate
    and depth of modulation.
    
    Fool around with the delay length, and the modulation depth and speed.
    
    I'm CONVINCED that you will hear a stereo chorus that will put your
    MV-II to shame.
    
    Now imagine it to be even better (cause the RCE-10 actually uses
    discrete modulated delays for BOTH sides) and that's what you get
    with the RCE-10/SDE-1000/CE-3 and JC-120.

    re: .46
    
    Yeah you can dial up one of the "stereo splits" but then yu can;t do
    anything else. Utterly useless, and when compared to the Quadraverb
    it's not even as good of a stereo image.
    
    The MVII is a mono signal procesor, it takes the stereo inputs sums
    them, processes them and then inverts one send to "re-stereoize" the
    sound.
    
    The quadraverb is a true stereo processor, it takes either a mono or
    stereo input, in the case of mono it uses a comb filter algorhythm to
    "stereoize" the signal, then processes it, and allows for up to 4
    different effects (if you call eq and effect). Quite a major
    difference.
    
    I've a/b them both in my rig,(I own one of each) the MVII is a great 
    reverb, but offers very little else IMHO. If you were running a mono
    rig the MVII would work ok, but for a stereo rig it's a pretty lame
    excuse for a "stereo effects processor".
    
    dbii
    
    The quadraverb

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>    The quadraverb is a true stereo processor, it takes either a mono or

	Sorry to disagree. You can't have a seperate algorthm for each
	channel (Roland just introduced something similar in their BOSS
	line that allows complete seperation of channels; SE-50 I think).
	Left gets some of it's output mixed with the right no matter 
	what you do. To me Sterio implies a unique Left and Right channel.
	If I want Reverb on both channels, I don't want them to be mixed
	by the processor (ie, leave left all left, and right all right).

	Also, if I want a slightly different effect on left than right,
	I can't do it. At the moment I use 2 digital reverbs to provide
	clean sterio effects. Why is this such an issue? If you start
	cascading sterio effects, the signal starts turning into mush because
	left and right start intermingling & I don't always want them to.
	In order to do real sterio, you need 2 of each processor model
	(with the exception of the Roland that I just mentioned). To me
	It isn't sterio if I can't eliminate left/right bleed.
	
	I Use a MicroVerb and an REX-50 for my Digital sterio effects
	(one for left, the other for right).

								Jens

    
    Well I think that's not correct. Alesis advertises the quadraveb as a
    true stereo, full bandwidth multi-effects procesor. Not so the
    midiverb. They're products of two different generations of technology.
    
    If you inject a signal into the left channel (not the mono/right
    channel) you get absolutely nothing out the other side, total silence. 
    You don't want/need a seperate algorhythm for each channel, just two 
    processors running the same one will do just fine, in this case the 
    "simulated comb filter for stereoizing a mono source" happens before 
    it hits the two processors.
    
    dbii
                                                                        

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>    You don't want/need a seperate algorhythm for each channel, just two 

	I guess that all depends on what you expect to do with your hardware.
	I played around with one about 7 months ago & found that I couldn't
	manage the mix (ie, keep left and right seperated). 

	Since I'd also like to use mine for vocals where I'd like a seperate
	set of effects for each input (ie, each vocalist), I'd like to
	know why I can't?? My sterio mixers let me set EQ different, as
	well as using different sends & recieves for each channel. Sterio
	is 2 seperate channels that may or may not be in sync with each
	other at times. I expect sterio effects to give me a similar option
	(same or differnt functions as needed). As I say, the new BOSS
	SE-50 allows this seperation depending on the type of function that
	you use. For a Budget Recording studio, or live work, I prefer
	flexability in the effects, otherwise you need lots of seperate
	modules, or you have to record each track seperately. IMO, if
	the channels are not independant, they are not sterio - this goes
	for controls as well as interaction. It's not a bad effect (it's
	actually quite good), I just don't want to have to buy 2 of them
	when it's probably a matter of software to make it what do I'd like.

							Jens

    Jen's, you are not looking for "stereo" efx, you are looking for
    "dual-mono" effects.
    
    There may be a few units that'll do what you want, but I bet the price
    is so high, that you could buy two separate units anyways.
    
    Mark 

    But they are independant on the QV. But if you don't plug something
    into the left channel then the right channel automagically "stereoizes"
    the signal. If you plug a dummy 1/4" plug into the left channel then the
    right channel signal stays on just the right channel and the left on
    the left.
    
    Alesis refers to this unit as a dual simultanious processor. It's true
    stereo or dual mono if you like...hence it's higher cost than similar
    mono processors with stereo inputs.
    
    dbii
             

   Has anyone read a review on the new Alesis Quadraverb 2?   I saw one at
Daddy's Junky Music in Nashua yesterday and it looks pretty slick.  The front
panel display now _shows_ you the effects chain order, complete with little
boxes representing the effect and little arrows pointing here and there to
depict signal flow.

   Heard a couple of the salesmen playing both an L.P. and an acoustic guitar
through it, and it sounded real nice.  Daddy's price:  $799.

   I've owned a Qverb (and later upgraded to the +) for around 4-5 years, and
am happy with it.  However, this new model has my curiosity piqued.  Anyone have
any information on it?  How does it differ from the previous model?

        Thanks, Andr�