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    Did anyone videotape this???
    
    I'd love to have a copy.
    
    	db

>    Can anybody think of other guitar players that are related and worked
>    together? (at least once in a while)  I could only think of Doc
>    and Merle Watson, father and son.
    
Off the top of my head:

guitar players: Ray and Dave Davies (Kinks)
	        Mark and David Knofler (original Dire Straits)
		Frank and Dweezil Zappa
		John and Tom Fogarty (Original Creedence)


Guitar and another instrument:

		Johnny and Edgar Winter
		Gregg and Duane Allman

    more brothers .... Toy and Tommy Caldwell (Mashall Tucker Band)

    Still more brothers...
    
    		Phil and Tommy Emmanual		(Australia) - wow
    
    And whats the name of that long gone bunch of incestuous
    west-coasters... Beach Boys ????

    Colin.    

    Phil and Don Everly
    The Chambers Brothers
    The Nevilles
    The Wilsons (Nancy and Anne)
    The Wilsons (Brian, Dennis and ...) 
    The Isleys
    The Jacksons
    The Hudson Brothers (remember this Saturday morning bubblegum group?)
    
                              
    

    Eric Schoenberg (proprietor of Music Emporium) and his cousin, David
    Laibman, did an album about fifteen years ago of ragtime guitar
    duets.  According to Eric, they still do an annual concert.
    
    Bob
    

    How about families that weren't families...
    
    The Righteous Brothers
    The Ramones
    The Partridge Family
    The Thompson Twins
    Family
    The Blues Brothers
    The Kazoo Brothers
    The Smiths
       
    
    
    
    

    I wonder if anybody can enlighten me ?
 
    perhaps Stevie Ray will be my 'hero'.
       
    I have been given four tickets to go and see this guy at
    London's Hammersmith Odeon on June 23rd, Iv'e found the albumn
    "couldn't Stand The Weather", quoted in a previous topic, this
    lunch time in Oxford St. but that so far is all I know about the
    chap. 
    
    	Is worth seeing ?
    	Is he any good :-) ?
    	What 'stuff' does he play ?
    	Who are Double Trouble ?
    	What am I gonna have for tea ??
    
    I may have a spare ticket anybody fancy seeing SRV ?
    
    Thanx, in advance for any info'
    
    Graham *8^)

    Stevie Ray Vauhan is a Texas native. His original claim to fame
    was his authentic Jimmy Hendrix style of playing guitar. Over the
    years he has covered many of Jimmy Hendrix's well known songs, but
    has also developed his own Texas-Blues-Rock style, sort of in the
    same vein as ZZ Top (No stereotyping intended here). He is definately
    worth seeing. His rhythm player is also very well known, but his
    name escapes me at the moment. Maybe someone else can fill us in
    on the name. Guitar player magazine has interviewed both of these
    "chaps" at one time or another.
    
    By the way, do the tickets include round trip fare from Boston-London?
    If I take the Concorde, I should be able to make it for the
    performance, arg arg arg.
    
    Have a good time. Whatever you do, don't give the tickets away.
    
    Mark Jacques
    
    

    The rhythm players name just came back to me....Lonnie Mack.
    Guitar Player mag did a cover story on him once. He is just as
    good as Stevie.
    
    I knew it would jump off the tip of my toungue as soon as a 
    pressed the cntZ button. Never fails.
    
    

    SRV is a top-notch guitarist a-la Hendrix, Trower etc.  He plays
    mostly blues-oriented rock and straight blues.  I understand he
    puts on a great show, but I've never seen him.  Should be a great
    show...  Enjoy, 
    
    	Ted

    
    Re: .1, .2
    
    UGGH, Mark how couldja????
    
    Lonnie Mack is R&R vet who first hit in the early 60s with tunes
    like "Wham" and an instrumental of Chuck Berry's "Memphis".
    He also played bass on the Doors' "Roadhouse Blues" (you figger
    it out!!!).
    
    His first album for Alligator, "Strike Like Lightning" was coproduced
    by SRV and the two did a few duels on the LP.
    
    But Lonnie doesn't play in Double Trouble.  Unless he's just added
    one (I doubt) Stevie's the only guitarist.
    
    Personally, I think the Hendrix tag is a bit much.  I hear a lot
    more Buddy Guy and Albert King.  Stevie is straddling rock and blues
    not far from where Johnny Winter staked out his turf.
    
    Good stuff, though...
    
    

    Sorry about that. The GP aritcle (and a weak memory) threw me.
    I thought it implied that Lonnie was a permanent member of
    SRV's band.
    
    One thing that I can say for certain. Stevie Ray Vauhan has a brother
    named Jimmy Vauhan that plays guitar in "The Fabulous Thunderbirds".
    Most of us American guitar enthusiasts already know this, but our
    friends in Europe might not. If you can find any Tbirds albums in
    the UK, check em out.
    
    Mark Jacques in the good ole USA.
    

    It all comes back to me now. Stevie Ray played EM Leow's  Plymouth
    theater in Worcester about a year or two ago, and Lonnie Mack was
    there to back him up. They had a write-up in the Telegram. This
    put the idea in my head that SRV and Lonnie were a team.
    
    Mark

    Too bad the show's on the 23rd...I'll be over in Early June and
    would love to see a great show someplace like Hammersmith Oden...
    
    dave

I saw him last year at Great woods. One of the best examples of
great guitar I've ever seen. He played one whole tune behind his
back, and another behind his head. Now I'm not usually impressed by such
antics, but he was doing some rather complex and tastey stuff there.
Greatwoods is a big place, with an outdoor ampetheater. 90% of the audience 
didn't even realize that he was doing tricks! The only way I was able to 
tell was that I had binoculars. 

I have picked up a couple of his albums, and have become a true addict.

I find that I prefer the "real Stevie Ray stuff", (Blues/Texas with a
Rocka-billie influence), to his Hendrix covers. But, he's
about the only person who can do a Hendrix tune without offending 
me.

By the way, has anybody seen any SRV sheet music or books? Preferably
tab showing the lead licks. I sure would like to get a hold of some.

Anyway, go see the concert and enjoy.

Rick

    Several SRV tunes have been transcribed in Guitar for the Practicing
    Musician.  Note however, that I have seen lots of inaccurate
    transcriptions in that magazine.  The songs I know that they've done
    are "Pride and Joy" and "Couldn't Stand the Weather".
    
    I also like SRV's Hendrix covers.  If you want to see truly
    blasphemous Hendrix tributes I suggest either Frank Marino (of
    Mahogany Rush) and/or Roy Buchanan.
    
    Although Frank seems to think that his Hendrix covers are widely
    appreciated (and perhaps they are), in my opinion, they are entirely
    an ego trip for him with no real appreciation of what Hendrix did
    to make these tunes work.
    
    Roy's Hendrix covers really are insulting.  He just tries to make as
    much noise as possible.  No inspiration what-so-ever.
    
    He reminds me of the people who do Eddie tricks without regard
    as to how to fit them in the context of the tune.  It's just like 
    "look how many Eddie tricks I know", whereas Eddies real talent 
    lies not in doing them (most of them are rather easy), but 
    rather (again) making them work in context.
    
    	db

    So playing EVH's licks are easy for you, db?  I find them challenging,
    guess that says something about my skill level, huh?
    
    Greg

    
>    So playing EVH's licks are easy for you, db?
    
    I didn't say "licks", I said "tricks".
    
    There are lots of Eddie tricks that I'd imagine almost any guitarist
    could learn very quickly.  I offer the fact that I can 
    manage even a few of them as conclusive proof of that.
    
    	db

    2 people that I have seen do Eddy VH-type tricks effectively are:
    
    1. The lead guitarist for Heart
    2. The lead guitarist for the Nevilles
    
    I admit it's pretty lame that I can't think of their names, but
    I have seen them in videos doing the overhand tap technique
    quite well. The guy in the Nevilles is particularly Hot.
    
    Mark

    Went to Stevie Ray Vaughan last night chaps.
    
    	Pretty damned good if you ask me...although they had problems
    with the vocals, P.A. a bit small for the venue I feel.
    
    Still, to the point, any of you wizards know how the guy plays the
    main riff in "Scuttlebuttin" (sp?).  I know he seems to slide up
    the neck to about the 5th fret & then a run down about the 1st position
    to end on a #9 chord I think.
    
    	I wouldn't normally bother you chaps but I've just moved to
    a house I'm renovating & my stereo gear is still packed away so
    I can't get to work it out myself at the moment.
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    Pete (who now knows the dotted frets play louder)

    Hi Graham here ...
    		SRV was brill on the 23rd, thanx for all the previous
    		notes encouraging me to go,
    
    		He was a little heavier than I expected, his guitars
    		screamed from the first to last note.
    
    		The sound guys should have been bloody shot !
    
    		STEVIE was obviously not very happy when his
    		mike fed back every time he tried to sing in the
    		hour and a half !!!
    
    		Weird guitar set up !?
    
    		SRV used to strat's one old reck with SRV on
    		the scratch plate, the other appeared to be a newer
    		Red jobbie with what looked like a left handed
    		neck. the head stock was upside-down in both
    		cases the trem was upside down, Hendrix influence ?
    
    		His encore was 12 minute version of Voodoo chile.
    		extrodinary.
    
    		Re: -1 mail me on VIVAN::BENNETT for the scuttle buttin'
    		riff the band I play in do the toon. I'll
    		Get the riff from our guit' man should noone here
    		be able to help.
    
    	Thanx Graham ...

    This topic will do, save opening a new one.
    
    Can anybody tell me how SRV gets *THAT* sound ?
    
    I know he use both Strats and was it Carvin (sp) I read in an 
    earlier note ?
    
    He was also using a 4 x 12 marshall cab' and head at Hammersmith
    'tother night.
    
    Does SRV use any effects ?
        
    Thanx for any info'
    
    Graham ...

    BTW	Did anybody hear the concert on BBC Radio 2 last night ?

    He used to use an Ibanez Tube screamer and a chorus of some sort...
    
    dbII

    I noticed once, watching a SRV concert I'd taped off MTV, that he
    played with the Strats with just the neck pickup selected the entire
    show.   He seems to use a lot of gain, but not a lot of distortion
    most of the time.
    
    I read somewhere that he usually used Dumble amps.
    
    gh

    
       Here's the list of SRV equipment:
    
        #1 guitar '59 Fender Strat (sunburst) stock PU's with left-handed
                  vibrato arm mounted on top for easy access.
        #2   "    '60 Fender Strat (red) stock PU's with right-handed
    		  vibrato arm.
        #3   "    1983 Strat-style made by Charley Wirz with Danelectro
                  lipstick PU's (single coil) and right-handed vibrato.
        #4   "    '61 Fender Strat (buterscotch) with stock PU's and
                  right-handed vibrato bar
    
        AMPS:
    
        Normally:
                 Two Fender Vibroverbs 
                 Two Super Reverbs 
                 Two Dumble cabinets (one angled front, one flat front)
                 Marshall cab with eight 10's
                 Two Dumble 150W Steel String Singer heads
                 Fender Vibrotone Leslie cabinet for the swirling vibrato
                 effect of a Hammond B-3
                
             A plexiglass shield, embedded with small mics, is placed
    	     just in front of a given cabinet to deflect highs.
    
             His pedalboard includes an Ibanez Tube Screamer, Vox wah-wah
             pedal and a switch to control the Leslie for solos (on-off,
             fast-slow)
    
    
      Let's see, if you re-mortgage your house.......
    
        ca
       

    Anyone catch SRV on Carson (er um Leno) last night. I tuned in as he
    was anding off his guitar and walking off stage to chat with Jay who
    was sitting there with an SRV style hat on. They talked for 60 seconds
    about the hat and that was it for SRV. 
    
    Anyone know what he played and how it sounded? Traditionally bands
    that go on Carson end up sounding pretty bad, I suppose due to the
    room and set up/ warmup time.
    
    Dave Kinney

Dave,

I missed the part you described, but at the very end of the show Stevie Ray 
played (again?) and sounded reasonably good.  A little bit thin sounding,
which is unusual for him, but as you say bands don't often sound good on
the Tonight Show.  I wasn't paying close attention, but I think he played
"Crossfire".

Greg

    Any details on the Clapton band helicopter crash???
    
    I heard EC wasn't on board, but Stevie Ray Vaughn was (unconfirmed).
    
    Edd

      The radio just confirmed that Stevie Ray Vaughn was on the helicopter
    that crashed and there apparently were no survivors. Clapton was
    not on board but there was uncertainty whether Robert Cray was on
    board. 
      Truly a sad day , especially for the guitarists.
    
    							-B-

    The last I heard was that Stevie Ray had just gone up to jam with Eric
    at a few gigs over the weekend.  As everybody knows now, Stevie died in
    the crash along with 5 members of Eric's band.  I saw the pictures of
    the crash site on CNN, what a mess... nobody could have survived that
    one.
    
    Another one passes to the great beyond.
    
    
    HB

    correction...5 members of Clapton's band were NOT killed in the crash!
    It was the Pilot, 2 techs from Eric road crew, the tour mgr, and
    Stevie.
    
    RE: .2
    
    O TIMBRE::MUSIC/NONOTEBOOK

    
    	I'm still in total shock.. I heard on the radio that SRV and his
    	brother Jimmy just finished an album that will be released soon.
    
    	Sad day.

    If someone hears about the cause of the crash, could you write it up? 
    I'd be interested to know. 
    
    thanx,
    "sakman"

> If someone hears about the cause of the crash, could you write it up? 
>    I'd be interested to know. 

I heard fog and mountains had something to do with it. I think the concert
was at a SKI area. I'm no expert on Wisconsin but I thought it was
pretty flat. Maybe the pilot did too.

Dave

    According to CNN, the copter hit a ski hill, but that's kinda vague. 
    They might as well said it hit the ground, ya know ?  
    
    Scary

    
    
    There are several ski areas in Wisconsin (hills not mountain). If I 
    remember correctly, SRV, Clapton, Cray were supposed to play at the 
    Alpine Valley outdoor concert theater in southern Wisconsin. Did this
    happen today? I watched the news last night (6:00 pm) and didn't hear 
    any mention of the crash.
    This is sad news.
    
    Phil (in Chicago area)

    Something I will always cherish was when I went to wash.DC for training 
    in late october of last year I stayed at the court yard marriot where I
    met and spoke with him he was playing a concert with jeff beck.it also
    was ironic that he was on the cover of guitar player mag nov 89 issue 
    with the tablature to schuttle buttin inside. what guy he was proud of
    his sobriety God bless him ...
    
    regards
    Scott.

    I heard the terrible news on the way home from work last night-alone
    in the car,all I could say was F**K,F**K,F**K!!Why does it have to
    happen to the Good Guys?????? A sad day for us all.

    Face it - when it's time, it's time ...
    
    Scary (who's jammin' to "In Step" right now ...)

    
    an air crashe takes yet another victim  8^(
    
    Look at it this was guys, Jimmy is probably jammin' in the sky with 
    Randy Rhoads, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham, Phil Lynott and John Lennon.
    
    Damn shame.

    
    Obviously my feelings go out to Stevies family, but I also feel for
    Clapton, Cray & all the other guys who are left.  They must feel pretty
    awful when considering it could have been one of them & yet Stevie got
    the short straw.   I mean, they must be relieved it wasn't them but at
    the same time feel almost guilty it wasn't.  Death always hurts the
    ones left behind the most I guess.  A real tragedy.
    
    Pete (heavy hearted SRV fan).

        .   .   .and to think, I just saw SRV at the Champlain Valley
        Fiar Grounds in Essex Jct., VT on July 3rd.  Truely sad. . .
        
        His guitar playing definitely touched THIS bass player.
        
        Matt :^(

    In what must be one of the most amazing on-air mistakes of all
    time, I watched R.D. Sahl, of Channel 7 News in Boston, say
    that Stevie's must memorable songs included "Lay Down Sally, Tulsa
    Time, and I Shot the Sheriff."
    
    This was on the five p.m "pre-news" on Channel 7 on Monday afternoon.
    
    I didn't watch at 6, but my guess is they received more than a few
    outraged phone calls.
    
    I don't feel much better today than I did yesterday about this...
    but I like to think of SRV meeting up with Jimi and saying, "Ah,
    there's a few things I've *got* to ask you!"
    
    Brian

    
    
    
    	Well, the tears and anger are starting to ease up a little
    here.....   I'm really pissed that a great player like Stevie can get
    his shit together big time and then get snuffed... Makes me wonder what
    the hell I'm leanin' on here...  I feel like I've lost a brother in
    more than one respect...  Guess I'll try clean living for one more
    day..
    
    
    
    SRV RIP
    Love you Stevie
    

    
    I too am very sad that SRV is dead.  I saw in Lowell a couple of years
    ago.  He was an incredible player.  He could really belt out the tunes
    and he also played some beautiful soft pieces.  Just a damn shame.
    
    Joe

    This sounds TOO MUCH like what happened to Buddy Holly and Ritchie
    Valens when Dion and Waylon Jennings "lucked out"!
    
    Mike

Still bummin, still hurts, 

but, the music can live on people...

Fill the air with his music, everyday, and in that way, he'll always be there.

Damn !  Sad time...

R.I.P.

    
    	I share in the same feeling of loss as everyone else in hearing
    about this tragedy. It was only last month that we heard of Brent
    Mydland's death, and now SRV. What scares me is that SRV is the
    same exact age as I am, and Brent was only a year or two older. It's
    sad to see a person that young and vital die. Sure all of us fans
    will miss them, but think of how the families must feel. I believe
    both of these guys are survived by wives and children. It's sad to
    see someone like Brent end his life in a drug overdose. It's even more
    sad to see a guy like SRV who has cleaned up his act only to die in
    an accident like this. 
    
    	It makes one realize that the time we have to spend in this world
    is limited. We should strive to live each day to the fullest.
    
    	Mark Jacques
    
     

    
    Mr. moderator, can you please change the title of this note to
    something more appropriate? Lets not let Stevie's death be regarded in
    the future as the "Clapton 'Copter Crash".
    
    *******************************************************************
    
    I feel like writing something about Stevies death. Forgive me (next
    unseen) if I seem to ramble.
    
    I feel wierd about Stevie's death. I didn't know the man, only who he
    was. People that I don't know die all the time; it s a fact of living
    that those of us who remain must bury our dead. I didn't know the
    helicopter pilot either. Had Stevie not been aboard, we probably
    wouldn't even know that a helicopter pilot, or anyone else had
    perished. So in trying to get a perspective here about this tragedy,
    I was thinking of what the difference is between the deaths of these two
    people. (I know 3 others perished, I'm just making a point.)   
    
    The answer is obvious, there is no difference between their deaths. But
    just as obviously, there was a huge difference in their lives. One man
    touched us, the other was obscure. Stevie's *TALENT* cut a path thru all the
    obstacles that separate obscurity from fame. As musicians, we were 
    thrilled by his talent. We were envious. Is there any among us who never 
    said "I wish I could play like that"? Some of us even imagined that we 
    could, and emulated his style to varying degrees of accomplishment. Our
    level of talent, no matter what our style, hasn't cut the same path. We're
    just other musicians.
    
    Stevie didn't invent the blues, his craftsmanship compelled us to
    listen to his version. He once said that he played each performance as if
    it were his last, therefore he felt obligated to do his best. This was
    never more so apparent than in the last few years when he changed the
    tune of his personal life and sobered up. He died too soon not only for
    us who are left to bury him, but for himself who had come around to
    enjoying life on it's own merit without alcohol or drugs.
    
    As I said, I didn't know the man, and never saw him. I can't say I'll
    miss him. I will however miss his talent, and I will never forget him.
    In living, he was a fortunate man in that he leaves behind a legacy.
    This is the difference between him, the helicopter pilot, and probably
    the rest of us.
    
    "sakman"
     
      
    

re:30,

yea, "sakman" I was thinking the same thing...  "Why does this really
hurt that much"


I never personally met him, he never came over to my house and
jammed, never even sent him a birthday or x-mas card...

But I listened to him for hours, and just shook my head at how great
he was...


You put things into perspective...

    It's odd, but never before in my 37 years have I been so saddened
    by the death of a musician, or any entertainer for that matter.
    
    Stevie Ray was a true master of the instrument.  I'm thankful that
    I had the opportunity to see him perform last fall at the Centrum
    with Jeff Beck.  The tone that SRV's guitar produced that night
    will echo in my mind for the remainder of my days.  The legacy of
    great music that he has left us will live on, but it will never
    be able to do justice to his live sound.
    
    I got dem ol' cosmic blues again...
    
    Steve

    
    RE: sakman
    
    Good words, dude.  There's an old saying in Korea:
    "When a tiger dies, it leaves its hide.
     When a man dies, he leaves his name..."
    
    SRV's name will be remembered...
    
    J.

    
    Strange.  Never really got into SRV.  Don't own a single album from
    him.  Usually turned the channel when I heard one of his songs....
    
    Still can't help this feeling of loss.
    
    At least I got to see him perform on TV.  Once on Austin City Limits 
    and once on Unplugged.  Great performances!
    
    J.

    
    
    	You must be talking (unplugged) about his awesome rendition of "You
    better leave my girl alone" ON TWELVE STRING?   Unbelievable!!

    Also recommend the Austin City Limits show next time it comes around.
    It was one of the best SRV performances I've ever seen.  "Riviera
    Paradise" was especially fine.
    
    Although most of us never knew Stevie personally, his loss still hits
    like that of a close friend.  I'll definitely miss him.
    
    /rick

From: [email protected] (Mike Prather)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Stevie Ray Vaughan
Date: 28 Aug 90 18:56:44 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
 
Stevie Ray Vaughan is dead.  Not really fair.  I could think of 1000
different musical artists that I'd rather have been on that helicopter.
In fact, SRV is the LAST person I'd want to die.  Meanwhile, Goerge Michael
has an MTV "World Premier Video".  New Kids on the Block have three
albums in the top 100.  Who's the number one album these days, Poison?
MC Hammer?  Music is so warped. 
 
SRV had the absolute best tone of all time.  No question.  His tone was
absolutely killer.  His '57 (or was it '59?) strat with the '61 neck,
his choice of amps (Fender Vibroverbs, Marshall Cabinets), his choice of
effects (Fuzzface, VOX wahs, one of which was used on stage by Hendrix),
his choice of strings (100% nickel, gauges from .012 to .058), everything.
It was all for his tone.  He had those plexiglass see-thru feedback shields
on stage so he could control his feedback.  He would walk behind the
shields, between the shields and his amps, when he wanted more feedback or
a different tone.  He played the tone.  He seemed to adjust his strat knobs
constantly.   
 
He knew all the tricks.  He could play behind his back, behind his neck,
he wouldn't miss a lick.  Just keep on going.  He'd do this Hendrix trick
where he'd be playing along, then suddenly he'd spin around.  When he'd
stop spinning he'd still be playing, but the guitar would be behind his
back.  
 
I saw him in concert four times, = every time I had the chance.  Once
I went to see the Playboy Jazz Festival at the Hollywood Bowl just because 
I knew SRV would be playing there.  He was on stage with BB King.  It 
was unfortunate, because SRV didn't have his amp turned up loud enough.
I knew he was better than BB, but we could hardly hear him.  What a waste.
 
I saw him with Jeff Beck.  They were alternating headliners, and I was 
afraid that Jeff Beck would headline the show I went to.  Luckily, SRV 
headlined, Jeff Beck opened.  I wasn't there to see Jeff Beck.  SRV was
in top form that night.  He had cleaned up his act with the drugs and booze.
Probably so he wouldn't end up like Hendrix.  Then, look at what happened.
He ended up dying young anyway.
 
For those of you who never got into playing guitar, particularly the blues,
it might be difficult for you to understand how good he was.  He was the
best.  He pulled notes out of the air.  Notes that fit.  Notes that hit
you in just the right way, at just the right time.  And, he did it 
consistently.  He was the best guitarist I've ever heard, dead or alive.
 
I have spent the last 6-7 years trying to play some of his style (not his 
note-for-notes, his style).  I've gotten to the point where I can listen 
to myself play and actually like it.  Other guitarists can hear when I go into
"Stevie Ray Vaughan mode". Still, I'll never be satisfied.  As soon as I think
I'm getting good, all I have to do is play any one of the SRV CD's.  
 
 
Well, if anybody else has something to say, I'd like to read it.  I realize
that there is no rec.music.guitar, but we'll just have to make due for now.
 
Mike
 
  
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From: [email protected] (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.news.music
Subject: Fellow bluesman remembers Stevie Ray Vaughan
Date: 27 Aug 90 19:31:53 GMT
 
 
	Grammy-winning guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan, who died with four
other people in a Wisconsin helicopter crash, was remembered Monday as
``one of the guys who gave so much to the blues.''
	Vaughan, 35, was killed when a helicopter crashed early Monday
after a concert at Alpine Valley Music Theater near East Troy, Wis.
	He had just finished a performance that included rock legend Eric
Clapton and other elite contemporary bluesmen -- Robert Cray, Vaughan's
brother, Jimmie, and Guy.
	They finished the show with a rousing jam on ``Sweet Home
Chicago.''
	Guy, who had been friends with Vaughan for more than a decade, said
in a phone interview with United Press International from his home in
Country Club Hills, Ill., that Vaughan was the first well-known musician
to play his Chicago nightclub, Legends.
	``He'd play every time I called him,'' said Guy, his voice
breaking.
	``He was one of the guys who gave so much to the blues. I can't
even explain it,'' said Guy, a legendary Chicago bluesman in his own
right. ``He was one of the greatest people you'd ever want to meet.''
	Guy called Sunday night's jam on ``Sweet Home Chicago'' ``the most
incredible set I've ever heard (Vaughan) play.''
	Guy said he took off afterwards in a helicopter at the same time as
Vaughan, but didn't see the crash because of the weather.
	``It was real froggy when we left,'' he said.
	Guy added that he didn't learn about the crash until Monday
morning.
	Vaughan had been discussing with Guy joining Clapton and Cray for a
series of concerts scheduled for London's Albert Hall next winter. 
	In Los Angeles, Clapton's press agent, Ronnie Lippin, confirmed the
other victims included Bobby Brooks, Clapton's booking agent; Nigel
Browne, Clapton's body guard, and Colin Smythe, one of Clapton's tour
managers.
	``Bobby Brooks, Nigel Browne, Colin Smythe and Stevie Ray Vaughan
were my companions, my associates and my friends,'' Clapton said through
his press agent. ``This is a tragic loss of some very special people. I
will miss all of them very much. I want to extend my deepest sympathy to
their families.''

From: [email protected] (United Press International, NED KILKELLY)
Newsgroups: clari.news.music
Subject: Fellow bluesmen remember Stevie Ray Vaughan
Date: 27 Aug 90 21:05:51 GMT
 
 
	Grammy-winning guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan, who died with four
other people in a Wisconsin helicopter crash, was remembered Monday as
``the most important young white blues artist in the world.''
	Vaughan, 35, was killed when a helicopter crashed early Monday
after a concert at Alpine Valley Music Theater near East Troy, Wis.
	He had just finished a performance that included rock legend Eric
Clapton and other elite contemporary bluesmen -- Robert Cray, Vaughan's
brother, Jimmie, and Buddy Guy.
	George Wein, producer of jazz and blues festivals across the
country, called Vaughan ``the most important young white blues artist in
the world.''
	``It's especially sad this happened because Stevie Ray had
straightened his life out. He was in beautiful shape -- musically,
mentally, physcially.
	``He was really starting to enjoy his life and communicate with
people. To have this happen now is a real tragedy,'' Wein said from a
hotel room in Chicago, where he was to announce to line-up of an
upcoming blues festival.
	Guy, who had been friends with Vaughan for more than a decade, said
from his home in Country Club Hills, Ill., that Sunday night's jam on
``Sweet Home Chicago,'' ``the most incredible set I've ever heard
(Vaughan) play.''
	``He was one of the guys who gave so much to the blues. I can't
even explain it,'' said Guy, a legendary Chicago bluesman in his own
right. ``He was one of the greatest people you'd ever want to meet.''
	Guy said he took off afterwards in a helicopter at the same time as
Vaughan, but didn't see the crash because of the weather.
	``It was real foggy when we left,'' he said.
	Guy added that he didn't learn about the crash until Monday
morning.
	Vaughan had been discussing with Guy joining Clapton and Cray for a
series of concerts scheduled for London's Albert Hall next winter. 
	In addition to the pilot, Clapton's bodyguard, booking agent and
tour manager perished in the crash.
	Clapton, through a press agent, called the trio and Vaughan, ``my
companions, my associates and my friends.''
	``This is a tragic loss of some very special people. I will miss
all of them very much. I want to extend my deepest sympathy to their
families,'' he said.
	Cray also extended condolences to Vaughan's family. ``He was a
great musician and a very good friend. I'm shocked at what happened,''
he said in a statement.
	Wein said that what stood Vaughan apart from other musicians of his
era was his respect for blues masters who established the genre's
traditions, performers like B.B. King, Albert King, Buddy Guy and Muddy
Waters.
	``They loved him,'' Wein said. ``Stevie Ray could play. He was not
one of these kids with one hit record. He could play the blues.''
	Mac Rebennack, the New Orleans-inspired pianist popularly known as
Dr. John, said in New York that Vaughan's committment to the blues, as
well as his honesty about his battle with the bottle, served as a
positive example.
	``He was really an inspiration to a lot of musicians,'' Rebennack
said. ``He was responsible for a lot of people going into rehab and
giving them a chance to regroup their lives.''
	Rebennack, who played frequently with Vaughan in Wein-produced
blues festivals, said his virtuoso style of guitar-playing ``came out of
Albert King, with a mixture of B.B. King, and a lot of Texas thrown
in.''
	``He played a style that was just Texas,'' Rebennack said. ``It's a
beautiful tradition that will be sorely missed.''

From: [email protected] (PHIL MAGERS)
Newsgroups: clari.news.aviation,clari.news.music,clari.news.interest.people
Subject: Musicians, admirers say Vaughan at peak of career
Date: 27 Aug 90 23:06:52 GMT
 
 
	DALLAS (UPI) -- Fellow musicians, friends and other admirers
remembered Texas-grown blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan Monday as a
young rebel who overcame personal problems to become a great artist.
	Vaughan, who first picked up a guitar in Dallas with his brother
Jimmie, was widely respected as a superstar who never forgot his roots,
often returning to his Oak Cliff neighborhood to attend reunions with
high school friends.
	Vaughan, 35, was one of five people killed in helicopter crash
early Monday after a concert at Alpine Valley Music Theater near East
Troy, Wis.
	He had just finished a performance that included rock legend Eric
Clapton and other elite contemporary bluesmen -- Robert Cray, Vaughan's
brother, Jimmie, and Buddy Guy.
	Guy, who had been friends with Vaughan for more than a decade, said
of his fellow bluesman, ``He was one of the guys who gave so much to the
blues.''
	``I can't even explain it. He was one of the greatest people you'd
ever want to meet,'' Guy said from his home outside Chicago.
	George Wein, producer of jazz and blues festivals, called Vaughan
``the most important young white blues artist in the world.''
	``It's especially sad this happened because Stevie Ray had
straightened his life out. He was in beautiful shape -- musically,
mentally, physcially.
	``He was really starting to enjoy his life and communicate with
people. To have this happen now is a real tragedy.''
	Wein said that what stood Vaughan apart from other musicians of his
era was his respect for blues masters who established the genre's
traditions, performers like B.B. King, Albert King, Buddy Guy and Muddy
Waters.
	``They loved him,'' Wein said. ``Stevie Ray could play. He was not
one of these kids with one hit record. He could play the blues.''
	Clapton, through a press agent, called Vaughan and the others
killed in the crash, ``my companions, my associates and my friends.''
	``This is a tragic loss of some very special people. I will miss
all of them very much. I want to extend my deepest sympathy to their
families,'' he said.
	Cray also extended condolences to Vaughan's family. ``He was a
great musician and a very good friend. I'm shocked at what happened,''
he said in a statement.
	Mac Rebennack, the New Orleans-inspired pianist popularly known as
Dr. John, said in New York that Vaughan's committment to the blues, as
well as his honesty about his battle with the bottle, served as a
positive example.
	``He was really an inspiration to a lot of musicians,'' Rebennack
said. ``He was responsible for a lot of people going into rehab and
giving them a chance to regroup their lives.''
	Rebennack, who played frequently with Vaughan in Wein-produced
blues festivals, said his virtuoso style of guitar-playing ``came out of
Albert King, with a mixture of B.B. King, and a lot of Texas thrown
in.''
	``He played a style that was just Texas,'' Rebennack said. ``It's a
beautiful tradition that will be sorely missed.''
	The news of Vaughan's death shocked his many Texas friends and
associates.
	``Stevie had longer hair than most of the boys at that time. He was
kind of a rebel, but a real nice guy,'' recalled Patti Tunnell, who went
to junior high school with Vaughan and now works in an Oak Cliff music
store.
	``I was a cheerleader, and he used to play at all our parties. He
was pretty good, but this was just the beginning.''
	Tunnell said Vaughan had returned a couple of times in recent years
to see old friends at the reunions and his mother would stop by the
music store to pick up sheet music and the latest magazine stories about
her famous son.
	Vaughan went on to make his name as a rock star and win two
Grammys. His early Austin jam sessions were so legendary that the
Rolling Stones came down to check him out. He recorded his first album,
``Texas Flood,'' at Riverside Studios in Austin.
	Terry Lickona, producer of Public Television's ``Austin City
Limits,'' where Vaughan appeared in 1983 and this year, said Vaughan was
playing the best music of his career.
	``We all commented after the show that he was at the peak of his
career,'' he said. ``He was still young enough and had the energy and
vitality. He probably would never be better and it showed in his music.
	``He had completely cleaned up (drug, alcohol problems). The only
drug he did while he was here (taping on Oct. 10, 1989) was an allergy
pill. He was off everything. He had such a positive outlook on life and
his music. He had no ego. He was just very down to earth.''
	Earlier in his career, Vaughan had a reputation for being moody,
unfriendly and difficult to work with, Lickona said.
	``In terms of modern day blues guitarist, I think he was the best.
Nobody came close. That's why it's especially sad and ironic that it
(his death) should happen now. He really had the future right in the
palm of his hand.''
	Another producer, Larry Trader, was in Dallas Monday to put on a
Willie Nelson benefit concert at the Longhorn Ballroom Monday night.
	``There's no question this is a great loss. He had lots of
followers and friends in this area. He was a great musician. It's a sad
day for our business,'' he said.

From: [email protected] (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.news.music
Subject: Rock plane crashes
Date: 27 Aug 90 23:31:13 GMT
 
 
	Some of rock `n' roll's most popular performers have died in air
crashes.
	--Rock pioneer Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. ``The Big
Bopper'' Richardson were killed when their plane went down Feb. 2, 1959,
during bad weather near Mason City, Iowa. The accident would be
chronicled as ``the day the music died'' in a 1970s song by Don McLean.
Holly became an inspiration to hundreds of rockers and Valens, who was
only 17, already was a star with the songs ``Donna'' and ``La Bamba.''
Richardson's biggest hit was ``Chantilly Lace.''
	--Singer Otis Redding, considered one of the most powerful and
soulful singers of his time, died Dec. 10, 1967, in a crash on Lake
Monoma near Madison, Wis. Only one member of his backup band, the
Bar-Kays, survived. The song that became Redding's biggest hit,
``(Sittin' on) The Dock of the Bay,'' was released after his death.
	--Jim Croce died in a plane crash about two years after attaining
success with songs like ``Bad, Bad Leroy Brown,'' ``I Got a Name'' and
``Time in a Bottle.'' His plane went down as he was leaving
Natchitoches, La., after a concert on Sept. 20, 1973. His wife, Ingrid,
is negotiating to have a movie made about Croce's life, with Edward
James Olmos starring.
	--Lynyrd Skynyrd's leader, singer Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist Steve
Gaines, his sister, backup singer Cassie Gaines, and the band's manager
died when their plane ran short of fuel and went down in Gillburg,
Miss., on Oct. 20, 1977. The biggest hits from the band, which was a key
part of the Southern rock movement, were ``Sweet Home Alabama'' and
``Free Bird.'' Just before the crash, the band had released an album
titled ``Street Survivors'' that included the song ``That Smell'' with
the lyrics ``the smell of death surrounds you.''
	--A plane carrying Randy Rhoads, a guitarist for heavy-metal star
Ozzy Osbourne, was making mock bombing runs in Orlando, Fla., on March
19, 1982, when the plane's wing clipped a tour bus. The plane crashed
into a house, killing Rhoads, the pilot and Osbourne's hairdresser.
	--One-time teen idol Rick Nelson and six others, including his
girlfriend, were killed in a New Year's Eve 1985 crash near DeKalb,
Texas. Traces of cocaine were found in Nelson's system but investigators
found no evidence to support speculation that the plane had been set
afire by free-basing.

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.aviation,clari.news.music,clari.news.interest.people
Subject: Vaughan died of internal and skull injuries
Date: 29 Aug 90 00:42:58 GMT
 
 
	EAST TROY, Wis. (UPI) -- Blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan died of
massive internal and head injuries suffered in a helicopter accident,
and the pilot of the craft had two previous crashes, officials said
Tuesday.
	The two-time Grammy-award winning guitarist and four others died in
Monday morning's crash just after Vaughan performed at nearby Alpine
Valley Music Theater with his brother, Jimmie, Eric Clapton, Robert Cray
and Buddy Guy.
	The others killed in the crash were the pilot and three member's of
Clapton's entourage. There were no survivors.
	``They died of massive internal and skull injuries sustained in the
crash,'' Walworth County Coroner John T. Griebel said.
	Griebel said results of toxicology tests done on all the victims
would be available in several days. Vaughan's body was transported
Monday night from Elkhorn to Milwaukee, and flown to his hometown of
Austin, Texas.
	Vaughan's publicist, Charles Comer, said a private funeral service
would be held for the family at an undisclosed time. He said there would
be a public graveside committal service Friday at noon at Laurel Land
Funeral Home in Dallas.
	Investigators said fog and haze were a factor in the crash.
``Weather is a factor,'' said William Bruce, air safety investigator
with the National Transportation Safety Board. ``To what degree it plays
in this, we don't know yet.''
	Federal Aviation Administration records showed the pilot, Jeffrey
W. Brown, of East Chicago, Ind., had two previous accidents in Chicago.
His commercial pilot certificate also had been suspended for four days
in 1973 for improper marking of an aircraft, FAA spokesman Roland Helwig
said at the FAA Aeronautical Center in Oklahoma City.
	Helwig said Brown was involved in an ``uncontrolled collision with
the ground'' in a Hughes 69B helicopter on July 31, 1977. Engine
malfunction was cited as the cause of a crash Sept. 19, 1989, when Brown
was piloting a Bell 206-B helicopter, like the one that crashed Monday.
	No injuries were reported and no disciplinary action was taken in
either case, Helwig said, and he emphasized that it was not unusual for
a pilot to be involved in three accidents.
	The helicopter at Alpine Valley, a 1978 Bell 206-B, had no history
of accidents, Helwig said. Neither does the helicopter's owner, Omni
Flight Helicopters Inc. of Chicago, the records showed.
	Comer said the Vaughan family was coping with the death of the
guitarist. ``They're coping as best as they can.''
	``It's just a senseless, tragic loss,'' Comer said. ``A fan in
Florida called me. He said, `Maybe God just wanted a really good player
there.'''
	Comer said the Vaughan family was asking donations be made to the
Stevie Ray Vaughan Charitable Funds of the Communities Foundation of
Texas in lieu of flowers.
	Clapton's press agent, Ronnie Lippin, said in Los Angeles that the
performer's tour would continue Tuesday night with a show in Bonner
Springs, Kan. ``The guys in the band sat down and talked,'' she said.
``They just wanted to go on, somehow.''
	Bruce said the five-seat Bell 206 Jet Ranger helicopter flew into
the side of a 388-foot ski hill. There was no evidence the helicopter
hit anything else first.
	Besides Vaughan and Brown, those killed in the crash were Bobby
Brooks, Clapton's booking agent, Nigel Browne, Clapton's bodyguard, and
Colin Smythe, one of Clapton's tour managers.
	Vaughan, 35, won a ``best traditional blues recording'' Grammy in
1984 for ``Texas Flood,'' and won this year in the contemporary blues
category for his record ``In Step.'' He shared a Grammy in 1985 for his
participation in the compilation album, ``Blues Explosion.''
	The Vaughan brothers' long-awaited collaboration album ``Family
Style'' is due out Sept. 25, and Stevie Ray Vaughan was to start a
European tour next week.

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<Stevie Ray Vaughan is dead.  Not really fair.  I could think of 1000
<different musical artists that I'd rather have been on that helicopter.


Yes, it's not fair,

But I can't say that I'd have rather it happened to someone else..

I'd rather,, it hadn't happened.

Tragedies happen everyday,,,, we're all human,, Some of us die from
old age, some of us die before birth, some, in between..

Life goes on, sad to say, even after our most loved pass on.

Stevie Ray is gone, (I'll never forget what he left behind)

He got on that chopper, with the idea that he'd walk off it at the airport...
As did the 4 others that were on that flight. 

If there's a lesson to be learned, It's not who else we'd rather see killed,
it tells me that any time, any day, any hour, could be *MY* last.

just my opinion..  I agree with your other sentiments...  He was clearly the
premier blues guitarist of the last decade,, easily. 

Clapton gets all my due, but he doesn't have the sheer ability that Stevie
Ray had.  Robert Cray is outstanding, but (IMHO) can't hold a candle
to what Stevie Ray could do.  There'll never be another like Stevie Ray.

    
    Kinda errie that it's almost exactly 20 years ago that Stevie's 
    influence died...
    
    Well, this topic has really got me thinkin'.  I was just sittin' 
    here that when it's time for me to go, maybe I'd like to go when I'm
    on the top of my peak.  Who knows what would happen after I reach 
    my peak...
    
    At least SRV has left a legacy and will be remembered.  Who knows?
    There might be a 12 year old kid somewhere that's holding a guitar in
    one hand and SRV's tape in the other...
    
    J.

    
    > At least SRV has left a legacy and will be remembered.  Who knows?
    > There might be a 12 year old kid somewhere that's holding a guitar in
    > one hand and SRV's tape in the other...
    
    
    One 12 year old?  I'll bet there are thousands!
    
    Kevin
    
    

    
    
    	Anyone see SRV on Austin City Limits this Sunday??  I love a guy
    who sounds live like he sounds on his albums... Sheeeooot what aplayer!
    
    
    Steve

    Sure did ... and boy was I pissed !  I was expectiong a whole half
    hour, but NO ... he did 3 tunes, I think (whick I soaked up like a
    spomge and recorded too), and the Satch came out, and was FAR from
    impressive.  I guess what made me disappointed was the "teaser" they
    played before one of the mega-commercial breaks ... can't remember the
    tune, but he didn't play it during the show ... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
    
    Anyway - seeing him blister "Pride And Joy" was worth it !
    
    Scary (who got an eerie feeling watching that show ...)

    
    re. 52  Are you talking about MTV's "Unplugged" show with Satch and
    SRV?  I'd have to agree, Satch looked like a duck out of water on the
    acoustic.  He really didn't do anything special at all.
    
    Stevie, on the other hand, was brilliant on the acoustic. 
    Talk about fast, precise picking!  That 12-string Guild was ALIVE in
    his hands.
    
    And yeah, what happen to the SRV tune they used before the commercial
    break!  92 commercials and not enough songs, me thinks.
    
    Kevin

Article 183 of clari.news.music:
From: [email protected] (JAMES F. WIECK)
Newsgroups: clari.news.aviation,clari.news.music,clari.news.top
Subject: Music legends and fans say farewell to Stevie Ray Vaughan
Date: 31 Aug 90 21:43:03 GMT
Priority: major


	DALLAS (UPI) -- An estimated 2,500 fans and friends from across the
nation sweltered in 100-degree temperatures Friday to attend memorial
services for blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan, killed in a helicopter
crash in Wisconsin.
	``It's almost as hot as his guitar,'' said David Card, owner of
Poor David's Pub in Dallas where Vaughan, 35, had appeared several
times.
	Vaughan, a two-time Grammy Award winner, died in the crash Monday
morning in dense fog just after he performed at nearby Alpine Valley
Music Theater. Also killed in the accident near East Troy, Wis., were
the pilot and three others.
	Singing stars Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt and Stevie Wonder led
fans and friends in an emotional rendition of ``Amazing Grace'' to end
the half-hour public memorial at Laurel Land Cemetery. A recording of
Vaughan's ``Tick Tock'' played earlier in the services drew heavy
applause and cheers from the orderly crowd of fans.
	A private service held 30 minutes before the noon memorial was
attended by Vaughan's older brother Jimmie, his mother Martha, fiancee
Janna Lapidus and friends and associates from within the music industry.
Wonder sang ``The Lord's Prayer'' and New Orleans pianist Dr. John
played the organ for the services held inside the nearby chapel.
	Other musical stars in attendance were members of Jimmie's old
band, The Fabulous Thunderbirds; Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill and Frank
Beard of ZZ TOP; blues guitarist Jeff Healey and Ringo Starr.
	Although the memorial service was held near the entrance of the
cemetery to accommodate fans, Vaughan was buried in a nearby family plot
next to his father, Jimmie Lee, who died on the same date in 1986. The
cemetery is in the Oak Cliff section of southwest Dallas, where Vaughan
grew up.
	``I came here because I loved him so much,'' said Alta Tierney of
Houston, who sobbed quietly and carried a single, long-stemmed red rose.
``He's just touched so many people.''
	Tierney said she had known Vaughan for 10 years and had met him
while working at Fitzgerald's, a Houston night spot where he performed.
	``I've seen him a lot, starting back in '78,'' said Steve Voorhies
of Austin, who drove up Thursday night to attend the services with his
girlfriend Melissa Garner of San Antonio and her son Gram. ``He was
great.''
	Dozens of people, most of them women, wore black hats similar in
looks to Vaughan's signature bolero, which was hanging atop a color
picture of the artist set up near the casket. Floral arrangements in the
shape of guitars hung from the corners of the tent used to shield family
and friends from the sun.
	``Hats. You never saw him without hats. He collected them,'' said
the Rev. Barry Bailey of the First United Methodist Church in Fort
Worth, who officiated at the memorial service.
	``He was a people person,'' Bailey said. ``He was a musician's
musician. He captured the hearts of people everywhere.
	``He leaves not only his marvelous, marvelous music, but also his
marvelous ambiance.''
	Also speaking at the service was Bruce Miller of Alcoholics
Anonymous, which the guitarist had credited with helping him kick
alcohol abuse.
	Preliminary toxicology results released Friday showed no signs of
drugs or alcohol in the bodies of Vaughan or the four others killed in
the crash.
	By the time the memorial service started, nearly 500 fans had
signed the six registries set up near the entrance to the cemetery. Most
listed addresses from across Texas but some were from Atlanta; Chicago;
Mobile, Ala.; New Orleans, New York and Virginia Beach, Va.

    anyone happen to tape the MTV tribute Sunday night?  
    Caught about 10 minutes of it before the %*&*#$'ing
    bartender put the Sox game on. 
    
    jc

    I caught both 1/2 hour specials on tape if anybody is interested.
    
    contact me at 	RAVEN1::HBROWN
    and I'll tell you where to send a blank tape.
    
    HUNTER
    

    
    I never heard...did Stevie's Strat go down in the crash?  If not, who's
    got it?  I shudder to think that it would end up hanging on the wall in
    some Hard Rock Cafe!  Or worse yet, given away as part of an mtv
    promotion. 8-{
    
    I'd like to think that his brother Jimmy would use it, or maybe 
    Jimmy could just *give* it to some kid playing playing hot blues 
    in some Texas bar.  IMHO, SRV would want that guit to keep wailing.
       
    Kevin
    

    hey Kevin,
    
    	SRV's strat will probably get auctioned off like The Hendrix Strat
    used at Woodstock did.   What did it bring? $200k? 
    

    I'd been meaning to enter this; it seems like an appropriate time.
    
    There's a one page article in the current issue of GW (which evidently
    went to press just before the crash) describing how Stevie Ray's
    instruments were damaged in a freak accident.  During a concert at
    the New Jersey Garden State Arts Center on July 9th, a 100 foot high
    piece of scenery fell just as Stevie finished his second encore, landing
    where his guitars were sitting.  All six Strats were damaged, but the
    Number One Strat sustained the most; "The neck was snapped in two
    pieces, broken right at the point where the headstock meets the neck.
    It looked like a Steinberger".  The neck was replaced in time for the
    next show, but according to SRV "it just wasn't the same".

    I saw that article too!  It may only auction for $10,000 less now with 
    a different neck ;-)
    
    Mike

    FYI - Today would've been SRV's 36th birthday.
    
    Most CSP radio stations are playing LOTS of SRV tunes...
    

I gotta great book with TAB and music to many many great SRV
tunes. Scuttle Buttin's in there, so's Voodoo Chile (slight
return) along with many others. If you want, I'll leave the
tab for the scuttle buttin riff here, it's pretty straight
forward - i was going to do this anyway to have somebody tell
me the best fingering - it doesn't seem difficult but I trip
over myself at one point which keeps me from getting anything
remotely approaching the speed SRV plays at. (not to mention
the fact that I'm guitar spazmotic!! %-) )

I'll try and put it in here in the next day or so.

Ps - check out the November MUSICIAN magazine. A short article/interview
with SRV...a few "in memorium" type things in the issue. 

1st 5 measures of:      Scuttle Buttin'   by Stevie Ray Vaughan  



(1)         f         f                 E7                         
e   |--3----'--0-----'--0-------------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
b T |--3---'-0---0-3'-----3^0---------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
g   |----2'-------------------3^2-0---|-----------------------------|       
d A |-------------------------------2-|-----------------------------|       
a   |---------------------------------|-----------------------------|       
e B |---------------------------------|--0-------0--------0---------|       
                                                                     
                                                                     
(2)         f         f                 E7                           
e   |--3----'--0-----'--0-------------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
b T |--3---'-0---0-3'-----3^0---------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
g   |----2'-------------------3^2-0---|-----------------------------|       
d A |-------------------------------2-|-----------------------------|       
a   |---------------------------------|-----------------------------|       
e B |---------------------------------|--0-------0--------0---------|       
                                                                     
                                                                     
(3)         f         f                 A7                           
e   |--3----'--0-----'--0-------------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
b T |--3---'-0---0-3'-----3^0---------|------2------2--2-----2------|       
g   |----2'-------------------3^2-0---|-----------------------------|       
d A |-------------------------------2-|-----------------------------|       
a   |---------------------------------|--0--------------------------|       
e B |---------------------------------|----------0--------0---------|       
                                                                     
                                                                     
(4)         f         f                 E7                           
e   |--3----'--0-----'--0-------------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
b T |--2---'-0---0-3'-----3^0---------|------3------3--3-----3------|       
g   |----2'-------------------3^2-0---|-----------------------------|       
d A |-------------------------------2-|-----------------------------|       
a   |---------------------------------|-----------------------------|       
e B |---------------------------------|--0-------0--------0---------|       
                                                                     
                                                                     
(5)         f         f                    B7#9                      
e   |--3----'--0-----'--0-------------|-----------------------------|       
b T |--3---'-0---0-3'-----3^0---------|-----3------3---3------3-----|       
g   |----2'-------------------3^2-0---|-----2------2---2------2-----|       
d A |-------------------------------2-|-----1------1---1------1-----|       
a   |---------------------------------|--2------2---------2---------|       
e B |---------------------------------|-----------------------------|       
    

notes:
	1)  f = bend up a full step
           '
        2) tune guitar down 1/2 step

From: [email protected] (United Press International)
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The Vaughan Brothers, ``Family Style'' (Epic)
	If you can put aside the tragedy of Stevie Ray Vaughan, you'll find
lots of sweet fun on this album. Stevie and his brother, Jimmie, the
former lead guitarist for the Fabulous Thunderbirds, waited a long time
to make this record and came up with some surprises. It is dominated
neither by Stevie's wild Hendrix-style rampages or Jimmie's tighter
Buddy Guy-like licks.
	Instead, it full of party rock, jazz, funk and, of course, blues. It
sounds like the work of a couple of guitar-crazy kids sitting up late in
their bedroom back in a working-class neighborhood in Dallas, jamming
like mad and hoping their parents don't come home anytime soon.
	The linchpin cut is ``Tick Tock,'' an uncharacteristic message song
about world peace that Stevie Ray delivers with abundant soul.
	Only a couple of songs, ``Long Way From Home'' and ``Telephone Song,''
can be categorized as typically Stevie Ray. Everything else is a
surprise, starting with Jimmie's vocals on ``Good Texan'' and ``White
Boots.'' He never sang in his Thunderbird days and his voice turns out
to be quite capable.
	``Baboom/Mama Said'' is an excellent bit of funk and nice change of
pace. The three instrumental cuts are a guitar freak's delight, each in
its own way. Jimmie's ``D/FW'' is lively double-barreled twang and his
steel guitar on ``Hillbillies From Outer Space'' sounds like a spooky
skating rink organ. The album fittingly closes with ``Brothers,'' a
sweltering bit of blues in which the Vaughan brothers pass the guitar
one last time.
  William C. Trott (UPI)
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(Classical)
Victor Symonette, Bulgarian TV and Radio Symphony and Choir, ``Kurt
Weill: The Original Threepenny Opera'' (Koch)
	This is a philistine's review but give this one a miss if you were
considering it for any reason other than a comprehensive love of opera.
	The overture is a witty little ditty and it's always fun to hear an
operatic professional singing the German aria that later became Bobby
Darin's ``Mack the Knife.''
	But after that it's just another opera in a foreign tongue, only with
a poverty of ideas that limits its appeal for anyone unable to follow
the Deutschesingenspielenfahrvergnugen.
	And no, the Bulgarian provenance of this particular recording does
not imbue Kurt Weill with any of the oomph you enjoyed on those 
``Mystere des Voix Bulgare'' albums that became such novelty hits in the
past couple years.
 Howard Dicus (UPI)
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                           (Classical)
Jan Panenka, piano, with Bohumil Gregor, Prague Chamber Orchestra, 
``Martinu: Sinfonietta Giocosa; Divertimento'' (Supraphon)
	It is the ``Catch-22'' of a composer not yet or no longer famous that
the easiest way to describe his music is to say who else's music it
sounds like, which in turn leaves the impression that the music may be
insufficiently original to be worth hearing.
	Bohuslav Martinu (1890-1959) resonates Prokofiev, Poulenc, early
Hindemith and late Stravinsky. But he mostly sounds like Martinu and the
works on this disc are perfectly delightful.
	``Sinfonietta Giocosa'' is a piano concerto, the unconcerto-ish title
serving to warn you to expect neither a big orchestra nor big emotions.
Which is fine: if you wanted big, you'd slap some Rachmaninoff on the CD
player. This is perky, puckish stuff. The small forces give it bite
while Martinu's taste for tonality keeps it from becoming abrasive.
	``Divertimento'' is a piano concerto, too, composed for the left hand
alone, though not for the same war-wounded, one-armed man who
commissioned the Ravel and Prokofiev masterpieces. Again the title
serves notice that you'll get a light entertainment, not some Lisztian,
fustian dust-up.
	This disc is enjoyable in large measure because of distinguished
playing by soloist Jan Panenka and the Prague Chamber Orchestra, whose
strings have very precise ensemble, what a jazz fan would call a good,
tight attack. Supraphon, not always to be relied upon for a well-
engineered recording, delivers amply this time.
 Howard Dicus (UPI)
adv fri nov 2

    
    The current issue of Rolling Stone, (dated Nov. 26, 1990) with
    Kevin Costner on the cover, lists "Family Style" as number one
    album on the Billboard charts.
    
    It has been on the Billboard charts for two weeks, and entered
    at number 15.
    
    This is a pretty good showing for an album without a top 10 single,
    isn't it?
    
    I heard that when Stevie got to Heaven, Marvin Gaye accused him of
    ripping him off for "Tick Tock."  :)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Brian

    The new issue of "Guitar World" has SRV on the cover and the whole
    issue is devoted to him.
    
    Mike

    Tomorrow (1/10/91) morning from 6:00 a.m. to noon, WHRB 95.3 in
    Cambridge, MA will be playing the SRV Orgy -- six hours of the finest
    Stevie Ray music, along with the usual Harvard-erudite biographical and
    musicological observations (usually chatter is kept to a minimum, tho).
    
    - Hoyt

    I just received a "care package" from Byron Boldt - a collection of
    videos from SRV.  2 Austin City Limits shows, a live concert, and the
    MTV documentary.  Kinda bitterwseet - GREAT video - GREAT performances
    - but that's the end of 'em.
    
    You can realy spot the different times of his life.  The 1st Austin
    City Limits show he appears to be a little more reckless, but that
    should be read "playing on the edge" and he was blistering.  On the
    later ACL show he was doing stuff from "In Step", much more in control
    and tasteful - great work too.
    
    We're minus a good one guys ...
    
    
    Scary

    Yeah, that first Austin City Limit show is what hooked me on SRV.
    
    It's the best SRV performance live or in the studio I've come
    across.
    
    I hope they rerun that episode because my tape of it is actually
    very worn out (looks like it was recorded offa channel 97 using
    a hanger for an antenna).

    Anyone pick up the new SRV yet?  I've heard 2 tunes from in off the
    radio:  "The Sky is Crying" and a cover of "Little Wing".
    
    I never heard a SRV tune until after he died, but have enjoyed the fews
    songs I've heard.
    
    Mike

    <.74>What's it called? New release are a bit slower to get out to
    France.
     
    Like you I only recently got hooked. So far I have:
    
    couldn't stand the weather
    mumble Texas
    another one with a picture of a twin neck on it
    
    Love 'em all
    
    BTW thanks to all those who recommended "Damn Right I got the Blues"
    absolutely brilliant. I bought it on your recommendations, unheard, and
    haven't regretted a minute, It's outrageous the way Buddy guy sticks in
    all those naughty sharps and flats. How many fingers he got?
    
    cheers, martin

    I picked up `The Sky Is Crying' yesterday.  MERCY !
    
    This CD was compiled by Jimmie Vaughn, and he definitely did his bro'
    proud.  SRV reportedly had extra songs after each album, and if it
    didn't fit into the `groove' of the album, it got archived.  Lucky for
    us, there is plenty of great material here.  My favorite has got to be
    the 6+ minute version of `Little Wing' ... no vocals, just blue to the
    bone.  The version of `Empty Arms' has a lot more swing to it than the
    previously released version - nice touch.  `Close To You' will soon be
    a SRV `classic' as will `Little Wing', joining his versions of `Voodoo
    Chile' and `Superstitious'.
    
    There are 4 instrumentals ...
    - Little Wing
    - Wham
    - Chitlins Con Carne (very jazzy)
    - So Excited
    
    Stevie plays some tasty slide on `Boot Hill', and does a `unplugged'
    tune called `Life By The Drop'.  
    
    The liner notes are great - discussing all the cuts, etc.  Very good
    reading.
    
    6 cuts are DDD .... 4 are ADD .... if you listen closely, you can hear
    the amp humming on `Little Wing', and as Jimmie puts , you can almost
    smell the tubes burning.
    
    If you're a SRV fan, this should be on your MUST list.
    
    
    Scary ....

    The local station said Jimmy went thru a whole trailer of tapes to put
    together the album.
    
>    6 cuts are DDD .... 4 are ADD .... if you listen closely, you can hear
>    the amp humming on `Little Wing', and as Jimmie puts , you can almost
>    smell the tubes burning.
    
    Put your headphones on and you can really hear it.  Just like being in
    the room with him.
    
    Mike

    Truly spooky ... 
    
    Scary ... who can't get `Little Wing' off his mind.

    Who originally did "The Sky is Cryin"?
    
    Give up yet ;-)
    
    Elmore James

    FYI ... I've got a couple PostScript files of SRV ... I'll mail 'em to
    any interested folks.  They're about 300 blocks each.
    
    Scary

    Convert them to GIF mon!

    re: SRV PS files....
    
    Mail 'em to me Scary!!  Wolver::Sdandrea or Navy3::sdandrea (36.473)
    
    Thanks,
    
    Stevo

    RE: .GIF conversion ...
    
    That's where I got 'em from !  8^)  Tell me how to mail a .GIF, and I
    can do that too !
    
    Scary

>    That's where I got 'em from !  8^)  Tell me how to mail a .GIF, and I
>    can do that too !
    
    You run UUENCODE on the GIFs first, then mail them.
    
    VMS Mail/Foreign might work too, though I've never tried it.
    
    Mike

    Mail /foreign does indeed work for gif format files (or any other
    format, for that matter).
    
    gh

I just saw an ad for The Sky Is Cyring in Musician Magazine and down there
in the fine print it said look for "El Mocombo" (sp?) a video concert of
SRV from 1983 in Canada. Has anybody seen this available anywhere yet?

For what it's worth, I just copied 8 gif files (for a total of 10)
featuring SRV onto my system. I also made a "montage" of the shots 
into pretty neat .ps and .ddif file.

See  mrcsse::proj:[leitz]srv*.*

    Could you convert the others to .PS and add them as well ?  I copied
    'em (they look great, THANKS !), but I'm having trouble converting
    them.
    
    Thanks ...
    
    Scary

Re: .86

UN-%^&^$$%#%$#((*^&^%#$%$@%@ing Believable!!!

I just got done watching Live At The El Mocambo.
This is a MUST HAVE for SRV fans. 
This is concert footage (63 minutes long) filmed in 1983 at the El in Toronto.
The first thing that struck me about this was that the sound was like somebody
had recorded the whole thing using a handheld panasonic. Then, by the end of
the second minute, I had forgotten all about the sound quality! Later I realized
the sound was perfect for the thing - it was a basic live stage sound, nothing
fancy, no huge editing (even tho Jimmie Vaughan apparently remixed the audio for
release). Four of the songs here were never released in Vaughan's lifetime on
any other recording he did. 

The playlist is:
 Testify
 So Excited
 Voodoo Chile
 Pride and Joy
 Tell Me
 Mary Had A Little Lamb
 Texas Flood 
 Love Struck Baby
 Hug You Squeeze You
 Third Stone From The Sun
 Lenny
 Wham

The highlights are undoubtedly Texas Flood which is WILD, both techinically
as well as aurally. An unreal cut, even without the video. This one goes on my
"best of SRV" tape 4sure. Stevie plays the last third of the song behind the
back...complete with bars and bars of his patented 32nd note strumming and 
riffing.

Another highlight is Third Stone...the comment from
the sleeve of the video says it best:
 "...a tour de force of acrobatics, both sonic and physical..."
You wanna see how much abuse a Strat can take, check this out. He's slammin'
and flipping it by the whammy, standing on it (lifting the axe and himself off
the floor by the neck) - really wild to watch, even if you've "seen it all 
before". Really pays homage to Jimmy with this one. The sounds he gets are
unreal. He tweaks everything on the guitar at least 3 times. Then he leans
the guitar on the amp and sits in the dark background playing with everything
he can touch. Phew!

Lenny is a real gentle reminder of how he could kick back and play heart to
heart. Then he closes with Wham (that Lonnie Mack tune off the first album
Stevie ever owned). He SMOKES it. You can detect a few standard SRV riffs
that Lonnie wouldn't (didn't) do (in fact a clear couple bars from "Mary Had.."
are in there somewhere, so he's definitely putting -his- spin on the song
retaining the intro and ending from Lonnies style). The guitar is absolutely
soaked with sweat (I mean, like, dripping off the guitar!) by the end of this.

Somewhere in all of the above (can't remeber what song) Stevie flips his hat
onto the mic stand and plays behind his head...keeps playing while he later
puts it back on...

The direction of the video isn't "the best", you get a lot more shots of
Chris Layton (few of Tommy Shannon) right when Stevies doin' that riff you
always wanted to see... but there's plenty of other riffs you can pick up
from the other innumerable closeups. Lenny is just about all straight on since
Stevie sat down in a chair for that one! Three cameras were used..and you
definitely get the "live with no editing/no holds barred" feeling from the
stage. 

1983: Steve had one album out, he even introduces Pride and Joy and Love Struck
Baby... and it's clear he's playing "in your face" and doesn't care a hell of
alot about finesse or taking prisoners or worrying about much of anything.

butch, where'd you get it?

    --ron

I got the tape at Suncoast Video at Greendale Mall in Worcester. There
was one other copy of it on the shelf. You should be able to find it at
any of the larger video chains that carry a big music selection...I
was real suprised to find it so soon. It seemed like it took forever to find 
"Pride and Joy" when that came out. Nobody was carrying it for a long time.
Good luck.

    Re: Suncoast Video
    
    We have a few of them around here.  Great selection!
    

    must be a big chain, there's even one here 
    in the mall in Grand Rabbits, Michigan
    
    but i only saw Pride & Joy there yesterday
    (which only has 1 live non-"MTV" style cut on it)
    \Gary

    I need some help ....
    
    I was diddling around with "Voodoo Chile" the other day, and the
    phrasing/chords used on the chorus section section uius driving me
    nuts !  It's some bastard version of G and A, then C and D, but I hear
    some weird muting going on, and I can't finger it out ... 8^)
    
    If someone would post the tab, I'd need training pants.  8^)
    
    Jerry  

    
    Jerry, I was working on this tune this morning!
    
    Strum each of the 1st 2 chords 8 times each (fast) then do the 
    filler lick (twice) and strum the last 2 chords 8 times each 
    (also fast)
    
    	
 	E   --------------------------------------------------------
 	B   -3--2---------------------------1--3--------------------
 	G   -4--2------------2(b)-2-0-------3--5--------------------
 	D   --------------2------------2----2--4--------------------
     	A   --------------------------------------------------------
    	E   --------0-0-3-------------------------------------------
	
    (b) = bend
    
    hope it helps,
    -pat

    It sounds like the E and A strings are getting some attention, with
    maybe the D muted.  I'll give this a try though.  Thanks !
    
    Jerry

     
    
    Maybe this should be in the Stratocaster note...
    
    A salesboy at a well-known music chain with a stong patriarchal
    quality to its name told me that the pickups on the new Fender
    SRV guitar are like other Fender pickups ever produced and that
    they sound really great.
    
    Has anyone else heard that?  I imagine that they will be available
    separately, before long, if they really do sound that good.
    
    I have no illusions about sounding like Stevie, though.  It would
    take a hell of a lot more than pickups...
    
    Brian

    RE: Voo-doo-doo chile...
    
    Talk about amazing progress.......Odie straightening Scary out on a
    tune!
    
    Pat has come a long way!
    
    Steve (who, patting himself on the back, used to do jam/lessons with
    Pat)

    No kiddin' !  Now we just gotta convince him to head outy to the Jam
    night at Al's amd do some lead work.  Can you say ABSOLUT_ly ... 8^)
    
    Jerry

    Yeah!  He's already cut those teeth once....we dragged his non-sober
    self up at Al's and he did a super job backing me up on Stormy
    Monday...and he's at least 3 times as good as he was then!  That was
    over two years ago!
    
    Odie...go jammin' Scar!
    
    Steev

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Subject: Stevie Ray Vaughan's estate sues helicopter company, makers
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:40:15 PDT
Location: texas

	CHICAGO (UPI) -- The estate of blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan,
killed with four others when a helicopter crashed into a fog-shrouded
ski hill in Wisconsin, Wednesday sued the pilot, the helicopter company
and the makers of the aircraft.
	The Cook County suit accuses the helicopter company, Omniflight
Helicopters Inc., and the pilot of negligence. It also charges the
makers of the helicopter -- Bell Helicopter Textron Inc., General Motors
Corp. and Allied-Signal Inc. -- of making a defective craft.
	The suit seeks in excess of $30,000 in damages.
	Vaughan had just completed a concert with Eric Clapton, Robert Cray,
Buddy Guy and older brother Jimmie Vaughn at Alpine Valley in southern
Wisconsin when he boarded the helicopter early in the morning of Aug.
27, 1990, to go to Midway Airport on Chicago's Southwest Side.
	The helicopter slammed into a fog-cloaked ski hill near the concert
site and the wreckage was found nearly five hours later. Vaughan,
Clapton's agent, bodyguard and tour manager, and pilot Jeffrey Brown
were all killed.
	``The pilot should have never taken off,'' said attorney Thomas
Demetrio, who brought the suit on behalf of Vaughan's brother, Jimmie,
and their mother, Martha. ``All things point to pilot error but
nevertheless we have brought suit against the manufacturers.''
	Demetrio said he had no specific evidence of manufacturing defects
but noted Omniflight has filed suit in Texas against the makers.
	``We have sued them (Omniflight) because of the indications of
Omniflight that they may know something'' about potential defects,
Demetrio said. ``If it turns out these manufacturers did nothing wrong
then they will be dismissed from the suit.''
	Demetrio said the suit is the only action brought on behalf of
Vaughan.
	``Some of the estates have brought suit in Texas so this is not the
first case filed. We have been, over the course of time, investigating
the matter and making a good faith attempt to negotiate a settlement
without filing a lawsuit and that has failed to this point.''
	Demetrio said the real tragedy of Vaughan's death was not only the
loss of a great musician but a man who had freed himself from the
influence of drugs.
	``This is a guy who could have been or was a terrific role model. If
he had lived he could have really made a statement about the dangers of
drugs and the importance of rehabilitation.''
	The others killed when the Bell Model 206B Ranger helicopter crashed
were members of Clapton's entourage -- agent Robert Brooks, bodyguard
Nigel Browne and tour manager Colen Smythe.

    What?  They're not suing the ski resort?  Or the state of Wisconsin for
    having the gall to put up a mountain there?
    
    Sorry, I know this is the way things are done these days; that doesn't
    make it right though.  And for a lousy $30K????
    
    As I recall, Clapton handled his recent tragedy with a little more
    class.
    
    /rick

    I think this sort of thing is fairly routine.
    
    I know people who have walked away from car crashes with more than $60K
    in 1970's pre-Carter dolleros (not that I don't think it's an abuse).
    
    FWIW-
    \Gary

    re .102
    
    	I supose you wouldn't sue if it was your brother/father/son
    that got killed?
    
    	Other than the sarcasm,.. I agreee,.... $30k is a "lousy" figure.
    
    							/Bill
    

    Is $30K really the number....not a mistake??  I haven't heard of a
    lawsuit involving the "wrongful death" of a celebrity that was less
    than 7 digits!  The freakin legal fees could run $30K in a drawn out
    battle.....
    
    Just curious.....
    
    Steve

    re .104
    
    I've been there...
    
    It ain't the suing part that bugs me, it's the sue everyone in site
    mentality.  But I guess we each gotta do what we gotta do

    Oh,..
    
    	I mistook you to mean that they had no rigyht to sue anyone at all.
    
    	I too am pretty unhappy about the way our society seems to have
    decayed to the point of suing everybody for everything,...
    
    	But somehow (could it have something to do with the fact that I
    idolized SRV??? Naaah) in this case something inside me is saying:
    
    	"Go get 'em Jimmie,.. get 'em for all their worth!"
    
    	Anyway, no offense meant,.. and I hope no hard feelings?
    
    					/Bill_the_overreactive_Cat
    
    
    	

    Of course no hard feelings.  Everyone's got a right to express opinions
    in notes, and disagree with them, and even misunderstand them :-)
    
    My original comment was just venting off a bit of steam.
    
    /rick

    coolness
    
    With all this talk recently about Randy,. I just gotta say:
    
    	STEVIE RAY lives on through the music,... RIP 
    
    							/Billy
    

    I heard that in the state in question that 30k is the max that can be
    asked. Heard this on This Week in Rock (MTV).

    Ahhhhhhhhhh ... I'm sitting here Jamming, and suddenly realize I'm
    playing SRV licks ala Couldn't Stand the Weather!!

    That's known as 'wisdom' pal ... pray it doesn't go away ....

Well forchrisakes don't stop!

    Ah HA!
    
    :-)
    
    Finally the *teacher* has been influenced by the student!!!!
    
    :-)
    
    						/Cat_loving_this_thread

    Well, Buck, playing SRV licks is one of my fav pastimes, now if I could
    just get them (the lix) to SOUND like SRV was playing 'em!
    
    Dawg

    
    There *is* hope for you Buck!  Many  ;^)'s
    First you bought a PEAVEY amp, now you're playing SRV type licks?????
                       ^^^^^^ ^^^
    I approve...   yeah...  sounds cool!
    
    
    Rock on (in blue),
    		      Fred
    

    >First you bought a PEAVEY amp, now you're playing SRV type licks?????
    >                   ^^^^^^ ^^^
    
    Yeah, and soon to have EMG active pickups...AHhhhhhhhhhhhh

    So Buck,
    
    are you playing these SRV lix on a strat, per chance?
    
    wondering (wandering) minds wanna know....
    
    

    -1
    
    It's strat-shaped

    But with a pointy headstock, right ??
    
    :)

    re: -1
    
    probably......

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Subject: Pilot error blamed in Stevie Ray Vaughan's fatal crash
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:47:00 PDT
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	DALLAS (UPI) -- A federal report cites pilot error as the probable
cause of the Wisconsin helicopter crash two years ago that killed
musician Stevie Ray Vaughan and four other people.
	The Bell 206 took off on Aug. 27, 1990, in heavy fog from an open-air
concert facility near East Troy, Wis., where Vaughan had performed. The
helicopter slammed into a man-made ski slope nearby, killing all five
people aboard.
	A two-year probe by the National Transportation Safety Board found
that ``improper planning/decision'' by the pilot was the main probable
cause of the crash.
	NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz said ``darkness, fog, haze and rising
terrain'' were contributing factors.
	Vaughan, 35, was headed for Chicago after playing in a concert that
included Eric Clapton, Robert Cray, Buddy Guy and Vaughan's older
brother, Jimmie.
	Also killed in the crash were the helicopter pilot, Jeff Brown;
Clapton's agent, Bobby Brown; Clapton's bodyguard, Nigel Browne; and
Clapton's assistant tour manager, Colin Smythe.
	Vaughan was based in Austin, Texas, and grew up in Dallas.

    
    Heard on the radio that a new SRV disc is coming out next month.
    It is apparently called "The Early Years" and will feature some
    Stevie's early stuff.
    
    BD

    Wot's next, "SRV, Down and Dirty" and "Live with Lonnie Youngblood,
    Vol. 3"?  At least they waited a couple of years after he died...
    
    						Brian

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In article <seale.717255878@bcserv> [email protected] (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
>I saw on rec.music.info where there is a live SRV cd due
>out Sept.29. Has anyone out there heard anything about
>this? Also, what's the new Robben Ford like? I've never
>heard him before so what is his style like? Thanks.
>-Jeff
>Email to [email protected]
>

There was a story about this in the Austin Chronicle (which I subscribe
to here in Boston); I think it was adapted (credited) from an article in
a Houston paper.

Apparently, Sony claims that SRV still "owed" the label some albums, as
per his contract, when he died. Jimmie stepped in to compile "The Sky
Is Crying," so that it would be something more than a bunch of leftover
tracks slapped together. Unfortunately -- I mean that in an ironic sense
-- the album did spectacularly well, and Sony is now forcing Jimmie, as
executor of SRV's estate, to compile the rest of the albums SRV "owes"
them.

Sony has apparently told Jimmie that it will not release any of his albums
until he has fulfilled SRV's contractual obligation to the label.

Equally unfortunately (and that's also ironic), buying these albums tells
Sony only that they're right, that it's OK to throw away any sense of ethics
or morals to chase our consumer dollars. Every SRV fan *should* be outraged
by this. But we haven't any voice. Boycotting this stuff is a silly idea.
If I had Jimmie's address, I'd drop him a note of moral support, I guess.
He's mostly trying to protect his brother's reputation.

Bob
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What is being released Sept. 29 is a CD, a live recording of a show
done I think in 1983 at a club here in Austin called Steamboat. It was
recorded for broadcast by a local radio station, KJBJ FM. KLBJ has been
playing a cut from this for years, Tin Pan Alley, which is better 
than the studio version. At that time, Tommy Shannon was not in Double
Trouble, and there was a different bass player, whose name I do not
know. Of course, this is also before Reese Wynans joined on keyboards.
I expect to hear good live versions of his earlier songs, and
some that have not been released before. I will be in line to buy this
the minute it is available!

Chris

    
    re. .179
    
    >Sony has apparently told Jimmy Vaughan that it will not release
     any of his albums until he completes Stevie's contractual
     obligation to the label.
    
    
     I'm not trying to be cute here, and I'm certainly not a lawyer,
     but it would seem to me that DEATH would release you from any
     contract.
    
     Any ideas on this?
    
    Brian

    
     Well, death might release an individual from the obligation of
    performing to satisfy a contract, but the individual's estates is still
    liable.  For example, if I croak, the bank is still gonna expect
    someone to make the house payment.
    
    Before we get too far down on Sony...  I, for one, don't know what the
    terms of SRV's contract are, so they may be entirely within their
    rights.  And besides, I want to hear the basement tapes - I want to
    hear how this guy developed, if possible.  The only thing that puzzles
    me about this is how Sony can put the screws to Jimmie...
    

    
    on the topic of development...I picked up a VHS copy of SRV's "Live at
    the El Mocambo" {something like that} performance.  This is Stevie in a
    3 piece context and his rendition of VooDoo Chile explains why his
    Strat looked so...broken in...
    

    RE: Live at the El Mocambo
    
    Minor nit: the track you mean is "Third Stone from the Sun"... but hey,
    these Jimi Hendrix numbers all sound the same, right??? (Many :^)
    
    Actually, I can't bear to watch that track (too distressing!)
    
    Nick

    How does one aquire this video? Can it be rented at a place like
    Blockbuster's?
    
    "sakman"...who's checked to see if any of those instructional tapes ala
    Eric Johnson's could be rented. Nope.
    

    El Mocambo tape is certainly worth the ticket...
    
    
    I don't think we have all the facts.  JV's relationship with Sony as an
    artist has nothing to do with his status as executor of SRV's will
    (and, therefore, SRV's estate's relationship with Sony).
    
    I have mixed emotions about the 'exploitation' thing... I think the
    market and the audience will determine the success of any subsequent
    releases of a deceased artist's unreleased material.  In other words,
    if it sucks and is released, it will be apparent that it is nothing
    more than exploitation.  If it is good, though, then why should the
    public be denied the enjoyment --- or the label be denied the revenue?
    \Gary

    
    -.2 The Guitar Warehouse in Portsmouth rents those videos. 3 days for
    $5 1 tape, 3 days $9 for 2 tapes, etc. I know they have the Johnson
    tape though I haven't looked at it. 
    
    	Ray Hayes

    re: Live at El Mocambo
    
    This is a great tape, especially for those of us who never saw him
    live.  I can't bear to watch him jump on that poor Strat either, but I
    think Fender should use this in an ad somehow.  I mean, someone
    replaces the broken string and he keeps playing it!
    
    Dave

    Stratocasters are pretty rugged. In my adolecent days I was tough on my
    '65. I mean it took some heroic pounding and all that ever happened was
    my tremelo arm snapped off. (and this was before I even saw pictures of
    Hendrix and Townshend.) While in it's case once my mom backed over it in
    her '64 Chevy wagon and it never even went out of tune. That's why I
    have three now and a Tele. You just cain't beat 'em. Well, you CAN beat
    'em, but they can take it.

    I've only seen Stevie on TV shows. I'm gonna pick up that El Macombo
    tape. Lechmere might have it.

    --Ron

    I don't know if Sony can put that kind of pressure on Jimmie, but I can
    understand Jimmie's desire to be involved so some schmuck doesn't
    release a 45 minute CD of SRV tunning up. As long as Jimmie stays
    involved, the quality level should be good.
    
    Dave.

    
    
    re: ?  3rd stone from the sun....yeah, you're right...don't know why
    voodoo chile jumped in there
    
    instructional tapes - lots of music stores rent them out
    
    "Live at El Mocambo" is not an instructional tape, though.  If you work
    at it you can see what he's doing in lots of places.  I've got another
    SRV tape that's a collection of his music videos.  This is a cool tape
    even without the picture.  Just the thing to have playing sound only
    when friends come over (just about CD quality on a decent VCR). 
    Inevitably someone says "You know, the video for this song is way cool. 
    Too bad we can't see the picture."  About that time you just hit the
    remote to activate the monitor...
    
    Music Plus (video/record store chain out here in CA, might be in your
    meighborhood, too) was blowing out their rental music videos not too
    long ago.  They were going for something like 3 for $19 or $20.  I got
    a lot of stuff...
    

>    "Live at El Mocambo" is not an instructional tape, though.

    Oh, I'll wager that in sense it certainly is very educational. Back in
    '82 while my style meandered around varios idioms, I heard SRV and
    thought "Oh yeah! *THATS* how you do it! Now I remember why I play
    guitar!"

    What I found amazing on the Mocambo video (well, besides Stevie
    himself) was that ole #1 Strat *already* looks beat up!  How that
    axe survived another 7 years of that kind of torture is beyond me.

    I read an interview with his guitar tech once and he said he'd
    refretted that guitar some large number of times.  I don't remember if
    it actually said it, but the implication was that he'd done a lot of
    work keeping that one together.
    
    Greg

    My guitar teacher has a stock early '80s American Standard Strat that
    he wants to hot-rod into an SRV axe (not just a copy of the Custom Shop
    job, but one that will give him access to the tonality that SRV could
    get from his Strat).
    
    Anyway, I always tell him about this file, so I offered to get input
    here...
    
    Is there some "Texas" pickup that is becoming popular as a retrofit for
    Strats?  What other mods would make sense (e.g., string gauge, setup,
    etc.)?
    
    Also --- he says the rosewood fretboard has a slight warp/bow at the
    15th fret.  He wants to know if anyone has ever heard of "steam
    pressing" fretboards to get out warps?
    Thanks,
    \Gary

    Hot rodding a Strat into an SRV model...
    
    I believe I just read, like last week, that Fender is making a
    so-called Texas pickup, and that it is available.  Expect your
    local music store to know nothing about it...whoa, litle
    cynicism slipping in there...
    
    However, SRV certainly didn't use a Fender "Texas" pickup.  I have
    heard, that in an attempt to mimic Hendrix's sound, Stevie turned
    his pickup around.
    
    Hendrix played right-hand strats upside down, as everyone knows, but
    to do this, he would have had to switch the strings around so the bass
    strings would have been over the treble side, and vice versa.
    
    Since SRV played his guitars "right side up," he would have had to
    actually turn the pickup around and reinstall it.
    
    Did he do this?  I don't know!  I have *heard* that he did, but that's
    about it.  Maybe your instructor should start by turning the center
    pickup around *only* and trying that for a while.
    
    On the other hand, the Fender "Texas" pickup supposedly sounds great.
    
    And, as has been discussed a thousand times in here, he'll have to
    move up to "cable-guage" strings...like .13s, and lower the tuning
    to Eb so he can bend with spraining his wrist...!
    
    
    Brian

    re: Gary

>    My guitar teacher has a stock early '80s American Standard Strat that
>    he wants to hot-rod into an SRV axe (not just a copy of the Custom Shop
>    job, but one that will give him access to the tonality that SRV could
>    get from his Strat).
    
    My impression was that there really wasn't much different about Stevie
    Ray's Strats.  Just good ones from the '60s with large gauge strings. 
    I think they had stock pickups in them.  As I recall, he also liked big
    frets.  
    
    His main Strat had a left hand tremelo unit on it (bar at the top), but
    I seriously doubt that has anything to do with the tone...
    
    Anyway, I always tell him about this file, so I offered to get input
    here...
            
>    Also --- he says the rosewood fretboard has a slight warp/bow at the
>    15th fret.  He wants to know if anyone has ever heard of "steam
>    pressing" fretboards to get out warps?
    
    Yep, but most luthiers use a neck straightening heater these days. 
    It's a device that clamps onto the fretboard and heats to about 250
    degrees (f).  This melts the glue seam between the fretboard and the
    neck and lets it "slip" to get the neck straight again.  Then you let
    it cool still clamped in the position you want and the bow is removed. 
    I've heard it has some limited usefulness even on necks without
    seperate fretboards too, since heat can make wood bend.
    
    I would personally avoid the use of steam for this myself, since
    devices like this are available.  It makes the wood swell up and can
    have negative side effects.  But that's just my opinion, based on
    limited experience and a lot of reading.
    
    Depending on what direction it's bent and how severe the problem is, it
    may be easier to just sand it out.  
 
    Greg

    I had a "hup" around the 15th fret on my '69 so when it went in for a 
    refret job, they put it on a planer and flattened it out. It's been
    alot better since. I do have a 2 piece "laminated" maple neck on my
    guitar, but I'm sure the rosewood would be no different.
    
    Rock on,
    	    Fred

    Fender Texas Specials are regular ole staggered single coil PUs with a
    little more winding. From everything I've read about SRV and his Number
    One strat, the PUs were stock. But Fender people theorize that many old
    Strats suffered from PUs that were overwound because of bad mechanical
    winding counters on the PU winding jigs.

    (I did check with a local Fender Dealer and they never heard of these.
    But it appears from the latest FenderFrontline magazine that they are
    sold in sets of 3.)

    BUT, PUs are not the key to SRVs sound, in my opinion. That is not
    critical. Outside of his PLAYING technique, I would say that his use of
    heavy strings was the most overriding factor in his sound. In my opinion
    .011 at high E is as light as you can go without losing a lot of tone. I
    just restrung all my Fenders with .010 on down and I'm afraid I'm just
    not getting the sound that I want since I made the change. Note that SRV
    used sets that started with .012 and .013 BUT he tuned down a 1/2 step.
    
    His guitars were fretted with big Dunlop Jumbo bass frets.

    does it really make a difference to turn your pickups around? Are 
    the individual polepieces 'voiced' differently?
    
    - Dave

    Sure, on a Strat pickup with staggered polepieces.  The poles
    are different heights (not individually adjustable) and the pattern
    is not symmetrical.  So yes, if you turn your staggered Strat pickup
    around, it will sound differently.  The polepeices aren't voiced,
    but the relative height difference between strings gives a
    characteristic sound.
    
    Strat pickups had staggered pole pieces till the early 70's ('73
    maybe?), then they changed to all equal height.  Nowadays, the trend
    seems to be back to staggered, because people want that vintage
    sound on their Strats.
    
    I'd never heard about this business of SRV reversing his pickups,
    but it should be possible to spot on a good closeup picture of 
    his axe (and there are plenty of those around).
    
    /rick

    This is a trick some of us have been using for years, but chose to be
    silent. One thing to think about though when you turn your "neck" p/u
    around you may fine 99.9% of the time that the p/u won't fit because of
    the way Fender cuts out the pattern for single coil pickups in the body. 
    In "most" cases you'll find that the high E and B strings have alittle 
    more bite due to the pole pieces being slightly higher when you turn them 
    around on vintage or staggard types. Depending on your make and model 
    you may hear a slight difference, or alittle more than a slight difference.
    When I contacted S. Duncan two years ago, looking for a meatier neck
    p/u for my Strat, the guy mentioned to get an Alnico II vintage
    staggard p/u, but (spoiler here) order a "left handed model" so this
    way it goes in backwards reversing the pole pieces). In effect you're
    rotating the pickup, but it will now fit into the cavity without
    cutting away any wood.
   
    Sorry, no other trade secrets for today!    ;^)
    
    
    Rock on,
    	     Fred

>S. Duncan Alnico II "left handed model" vintage staggard p/u

    I have one. Can't decide whether to sell it or try it.

    --Ron

    From this weeks Mass. WantAds:
    
    "Fender Stevie Ray Vaughan Signature Series Strat, 2 weeks old (!),
    let go (!!!) for $995"

    I'm always leary about for sale items that have been owned for "a few
    weeks" or "never used" or "still in the original crate" or "never
    raced".  Anynody ever investigate these?  I suppose there *are*
    circumstances where a person would come into possession of something
    and decide or need to sell it immidiately....
    
    

  Just heard a cut from the KLBJ CD that just got released...
  a Willie Dixon tune...
  awesome.

    I picked up the new (old) SRV CD called "In The Begginning".  As
    mentioned in the last note it captures a live radio broadcast that
    Stevie did in 1980.  It smokes.  My opinion, the live version of Tin
    Pan Alley is better than the studio version on Couldn't Stand The
    Weather (is that the title of that ablum, or is it Heavey Weather,
    Anyway, I think you know the one I mean).  I also have a video of
    SRV live in concert at El Macarbo (sp.) in Toronto in I think 1983.  His
    homage to Hendrix with Voodoo Chile and Third Stone From The Sun is
    incredible.  Vintage stuff.  In The Beginning came off a two-track
    tape, and still sounds great.
    
    Al
             

    I've heard the "Killin' Floor" variant ("Shake Me"?) and it's OK, but
    the recording quality is about what I would expect for a radio
    broadcast.  Considering that the cost of putting this out is almost
    $0.00, it should be budget-priced.  I already have a couple of SRV
    radio shows on tape and doubt I'll be buying this.
    
    					 Brian

    Question:
    
    What Dylan album did SRV play on, and also, what songs on that album?
    
    Thanks & Peace,
    David

    RE: Al Kerr's copy of the SRV concert in Toronto.......
    
    
    
    
    Geeeezus!  I'm truly sorry I never got to see him live.  What tone!
    What talent!  What energy!
    
    I never knew he picked with his  right hand in the "strum" position; it
    looks as tho he hits the strings in a strumming motion and just deadens
    the ones he doesn't want to ring....
    
    I've got strat fever again, good thing I already own one!
    
    Dawg

    RE: back a few (Brian's)
    
    A local rock DJ is playing this "Killing Floor" variant that sounds
    like the one mentioned in the reply a few back.  It ends with lyrics
    like "Shake me like......"  Izzat off a new release, or is it the one
    Brian speals of?  It doesn't sound like a live or 2 track recording....
    
    sd

   For what it's worth for you other SRV tab collectors, Music Dispatch
   has the book for SRV's IN The Beginning selling now (order #00694879,
   1-800-637-2852). $18.95.

   Also, Guitar Player magazine is coming out with an SRV Special Issue
   April 14th. Can't wait!

    "Strange Pleasure", the new disc from Jimmy Vaughan, seems to have
    taken up permanent residence in my CD player.  The last disc that got
    this much abuse in my house was the Hellecasters, and yet the
    difference between these two is like night and day.  Where the Helles
    revelled in blazing speed and blinding guitarmanship, the Vaughan
    disc is more about subtlety and understatement.
    
    If you're familiar with the Vaughan Bros "Family Style", this is sorta
    like it's evil twin.  (btw, "Family Style" never really grabbed me,
    certainly not like this one).  The three adjectives that come to mind
    are raw, soulful, and spooky.  Nile Rodgers produced and played rhythm
    on a few cuts (perhaps this accounts for the soul/gospel feel).  Dr John
    also appears, and perhaps this is where the sinister voodoo vibe comes
    from.  And then you have Jimmy, with that big, ringing, bruising Texas
    tone, as wide as the Panhandle.  In comparison to his brother, Jimmy's
    sound is more open, more stinging.  There's not a guitar lick on this
    record that probably 99% of the members in this conference couldn't cop
    in their sleep, but the power of Jimmy's guitar work transcends any
    such measures with taste, conviction and soul.  In it's own way, this
    is a GREAT guitar record.
    
    The arrangements are spare, adding to the raw feel.  Only one is an
    instrumental - the title cut, which is a creepy, offbeat guitar/piano
    piece.  Jimmy handles vocals on the rest, sounding like a less polished
    Steve Miller(!).  Several of the cuts feature gospel harmony backup
    vocals (these are some of my favorites on the disc).  Jimmy also wrote
    or co-wrote all the tunes.
    
    I highly recommend this one.  It'll make you smile.
    
    /rick
    

    FWIW,Stevie Ray will be on this Sat. nite at 10 pm, on chan. 15, here
    in the Ottawa region. Another Austin City LImits re-run.
    
    -kev

    If this is the same show I caught on PBS here in Atlanta recently,
    it is a keeper.  The ACL show was a compilation of a number of
    SRV's appearances, the last being shortly before his death.  ACL
    gave it the entire hour.
    
    
    

    Well, as it turns out i'm probably the only person i know of who didn't
    tape it! I've been told it was both ACL shows. Which leads me to
    believe that there were only two shows and they showed them both
    consecutively. The tape i get tomorrow...can't wait.
    
    -kev

    Anyone know if SRV's new cd is released yet? if so, what tracks did
    they put on it? 
    
    -kev

    This is from a fairly reliable source (i.e., my wife, who devours the
    movie news literature).  She read that a movie about the life of Stevie
    Ray is currently in the works, with full blessing and cooperation from
    the family.  Starring in the title role....
    
    ...Brad Pitt!
    

    
    	Wow, now that you mention I can picture it very easily.
    

    Naw ... they shudda got that guy that played Darrel from the Bob
    Newhart show. He'd look just like him with his hair died.

    RE: .179
    
    Do you mean Darrel, or Darrel?

he meant Darrel....