Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    Re .0:
    
>   I had my A500 upgraded to 2.0 a couple of days ago.  Actually, I had a
>   Multistart switcher installed which allows me to boot from either 1.3
>   or 2.0 by the flick of a switch.  The problem I'm having is with the
>   "CLICK TO FRONT" option under COMMODITIES.  This is advertised as
>   allowing the user to simply point to the window of his choice and
>   double click the left mouse button to select it.  A friend gave me a
>   demo of this option on his 2000 and it worked as expected.  Mine
>   doesn't however.  I can point to the window in the background and
>   double click it but it doesn't move to the front even though the title 
>   bar is highlighted.
    
    Several people have mentioned similar problems.  I still use ClockDJ
    for various things, including "click to front", though not because I
    had any particular difficulties with the AmigaDOS 2.04 Commodities.
    
    Returning to your system, what steps did you take to activate the Click
    to Front functionality?  It also seems there's an option you can set
    that specifies what key(s) must be pressed to make it happen.  The
    default, I believe, requires you to press another key (Left-Amiga or
    Alt) while you double-click on the window.
                                                                      

    Hi Bill,
    
    The documentation on "click to front" was rather straight forward and
    did not elaborate on depressing various keys and/or left or right mouse
    buttons but I did try both in troubleshooting but to no avail.  You
    state that others have reported this problem.  Is this some
    type of bug, perhaps specific to a given machine or do you think
    something is not setup correctly?  It should be noted that I am using
    the default 2.0 disk with no modifications made (yet) to startup files.
    
    Dave

    You might try selecting the "Click to Front" icon and then select the
    "information" option under the "icon" menu.  Then look at the "Tool
    Type" section.  You should see:
    
    QUALIFIER=NONE     (Double clicking on window will bring it to front)
    
    or
    
    QUALIFIER=LALT     (Left alt key and double click)
    
    or 
    
    QUALIFIER=RALT	(Right alt key and double click)
    
    or 
    
    QUALIFIER=CTRL       (Control Key and double click)
    
    
    Found this it my manual, section "Extras Programs" page 5-31.2
    
    I use "QUALIFIER=NONE" and it works fine.
    
    Randy

    re .3
    
    Right, Randy.  The default is LALT, so it needs to be changed.  Also,
    be sure to use all capital letters.
    
    If you want ClickToFront to activate automatically on boot, just move
    the icon to the WBStartup drawer.
    
    Ken
    

    I have problems with both click to front and autopoint. Neither work
    for me. I have posted mail to several amiga usenet conferences and I
    have found that there are others that also cannot get these to work.
    Commodore has no comment (not surprising). My original note is in
    5164.38, and there are further replies later in that note.
    
    You are not alone.
    
    Frank

    Frank,  I've tried the suggestions in .3 but still couldn't get the
    &%^$ thing to work!  I selected the "clicktofront" icon and then
    selected the "information" option under "icon" (right mouse button) 
    and then set OPTIONS=NONE as recommended in .3, saved it and drug the
    icon over to WBStartup but no change, still the same problem where I
    can point to a background window and click the left mouse button but
    that window doesn't become current but the status bar for the
    background window does change colors as if I've selected it!
    
    I've called the Commodore hotline but they weren't much help.  The
    "spec" who I talked to confessed upfront that he knew little about
    2.0 since it was such a new release.  Hope CBM gets them trained in
    a *real* hurry since 2.0 is now being released to the public!  
    
    Frank, I failed to ask what type of machine you had.  As mentioned
    earlier in this note, I had a friend demo this for me on his 2000
    and it worked great.  This was one of the "+'s" I was looking forward
    to in the release of 2.0.
    
    Dave

    re: .-1
    
    Dave, I have a 2000. Are you double-clicking in the window?
    ClickToFront requires you to double click.
    
    Does Autopoint work for you? Neither of these work for me. I tried
    my disks on a 3000 and they worked fine, so I know its not the
    disks. I have not had the opportunity to try them on a 2.04
    equiped 2000 however. I doubt its a problem with the ROM, since
    I assume that as part of the self test, the ROM is checksumed
    and would show an error if there was a problem.
    
    Current theory is that somehow it is hardware releted. Seems weird
    since everything else seems to work fine.
    
    I will continue to try and find outs whats going on and will report
    my findings in this conference. As I have stated, we are not the
    only ones experiencing these problems. I have received usenet
    mail from a number of others as well. Of course Commodore is of
    no help, as usual.
    
    Frank

	I've gotten click-to-front to work by putting the command in 
    user-startup with parameters.  Did the same with the screen blanker.
    I don't use auto-point so I don't know exactly how it works, but I expect
    that it would work the same way.  I'll post the section of my startup file
    if someone asks.  (I'm at work and my Amiga is at home or I'd do it now.)

    Hi,
    
    Please do post the section of your startup file which invokes
    clicktofront.  What type of machine is this on?
    
    Dave

	Having this same problem on my stock A2000 (but with the 2.04
	ROM), I just deleted the QUALIFIER= line entirely, and it seems
	to work OK.

	Here's something to muddy the waters.

	I just had the  "pleasure"  of re-doing my 2.04 upgrade  (-:
	Guess what ?

	Click to front stopped working.


	All my 2.0 kit disks have always been write protected.
	On further investigation     (I looked at the ICON info)

				...ta daaa

	It requires left/alt

	...but this isn't the way it was last week or the week before,
or last month, it has  ALWAYS  been conditional on  CNTRL  and I KNOW I
didn't dare mess with it, given the trouble others seem to have had, -
-  but it works, so what ? 

	So I gave it no more thought until I saw this note, then I 
remembered Frank's other notes, now I have a suspicion.  The update
work-bench routine somehow does something different according to what 
is already there.  Whether this is by skipping over some things if it 
finds some stuff already there or not I don't know  - -  maybe it adds 
something into a location that it assumes to be zero ? (-:

	The only thing I know I'm doing a little against the flow is 
to use DH0: as my SYS:    the install procedure seems to think that 
DH2: is a more normal default.	

	FWIW, etc.

	Reg

	Here's the relavent part of my S:User-StartUp file -

;
; Set Up Commodities
;
run >NIL: SYS:Tools/Commocities/Blanker seconds=300 cx_popup=no
run >NIL: SYS:Tools/Commodities/ClickToFront qualifier=none cx_popup=no

	I honestly don't remember why I did all the run handwaving, but it
    seemed necessary at the time and I've had no trouble with it since.

> run >NIL: SYS:Tools/Commodities/Blanker seconds=300 cx_popup=no
                           ^ sorry for the typo...

>	I honestly don't remember why I did all the run handwaving, but it
>    seemed necessary at the time and I've had no trouble with it since.

	Having slept on the problem overnight, I remember why the various
    pieces are there --

run		So the startup sequence will continue to the next command.

>NIL:		So the startup CLI screen will go away when statup is finished.

SYS:Tools/...	Since I didn't include the commodities directory in my PATH 
		statement.

cx_popup=no	So the startup option menu did not appear and have to be 
		closed by hand.

    Re. 12
    
    You have me puzzled, why don't you just put them (those tools) in your
    'wbstartup'-directory and add seconds=300 and stuff like that to to
    info-file???
    
    Works fine for me.
    
    Ave, Frank

Re .14:

	Two reasons --

    1.	I didn't understand the WBStartUp directory function and the .info file
	interaction when I was setting things up and I did understand how to 
	use User-StartUp and the CLI.  I still haven't spent enough time with
	WBStartUp to be comfortable with it.

    2.	I couldn't get it to work quickly and my wife was chewing my ear about
	the time I was wasting on the computer instead of doing what she wanted
	me to do, so I did it the fastest way I could.  Or rather the way that
	took the least time actually at the computer, since it took a bit of
	time with the documentation to find the solution to cx_popup,
	but she doesn't mind if I read computer books in bed while she is 
	reading in bed too... Anything that works... :^)

I am successfully running Blanker and ClickToFront out of WBStartup.
I discovered some odd things along the way.

I don't like the idea of *moving* tools into the WBStartup drawer.  I would
rather leave them in there normal place.  I suppose it would be possible to
put links in WBStartup, but I used project icons which reference the
corresponding tools in SYS:TOOLS/COMMODITIES.

The odd thing I discovered is that when run this way, the tooltypes are
taken from the tool icons, not from the project icons.  While not a big
deal in this case, this is not the way I thought things were supposed to
work.

In any case, I have found this to be a reasonable way to launch
commodities.

	Paul

Re: .16

>I used project icons which reference the corresponding tools in
>SYS:TOOLS/COMMODITIES.
>The odd thing I discovered is that when run this way, the tooltypes are
>taken from the tool icons, not from the project icons.

Actually, if you think about it, it makes sense.  When you double click on
a project icon, it means run the associated tool and pass it the project
as an argument.

If the tool doesn't take an argument, or is specified as getting the
tool types that define the behavior of the tool from the tool icon,
then the tool types of the project icon don't matter.  The project
is just an unneeded argument that is ignored.

    Re: .16
    
    Are you that short on disk space, why not duplicate your commodities
    and put the copies in the WBStartup-dir. It will only take some Bytes
    and saves you a lot of trouble...
    
    Ave, Frank (who wants a Quantum LP105S added to his system ;-)

Re: .18

I agree with Paul (and use the same technic). Moving and Copying them have
the same problem - a system update could update the version in
sys:tools/commodities, and I'd forget to update the version in sys:wbstartup.

Using project icons (with no actual project, yet) solves that problem.

	<mike

    
    I am using the blanker with 2.04 and I can see some slow down of the
    cursor movement with DPaintIV. If I remove the blanker the cursor
    is back to a normal behavior.
    
    Can anyone verify that ?
    
    Thank You
    
    Hubert.

    Have you folks who are having trouble with Click to front, gone into
    WBCONFIG and made sure that the double click to front gadget is set?
    
    Clark

>    Have you folks who are having trouble with Click to front, gone into
>    WBCONFIG and made sure that the double click to front gadget is set?


Where's WBconfig?  I think that was on previous developers kits, but was 
removed from the final 2.04 release.

john

    I have WBConfig on mine, but I upgraded from 2.03 to 2.04.  Guess I
    just assumed it came with the new version as well.
    
    Tony