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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

5285.0. "Safe Harbor Mail Order, I think they look Good!" by ANGLIN::GAINES () Wed Dec 18 1991 18:12

	Well, I went to Safe Harbor today in Brookfield Wisconsin.
	They have a new store, they have been in business for nearly
	5 years. I'm not advocating you purchase from Safe Harbor
	I'm not affilitated with them in any manner. I simply wanted
	to pass on my visit and leave my impressions.

	. They have all amiga models on display in their store.
	
	. They have a 2000 with a VIDEO TOASTER and DCTV and a
	  sound enhancer.

	. They have a 3000 on display with various software installed.

	. Their store had the most software I've seen on display anywhere
	  I've been and strictly for the Amiga.

	. They have the usual, games,CDTV, hardware etc on display

	The Toaster he demonstrated was awesome! I couldn't get over how
	easy it was to add titles, grab pictures, and perform special 
	effects. My children could do it.

	DCTV was ok... A lot slower than the toaster, but nice for the
	money. You could cut a picture from a captured video and repaste
	it in anysize and still no compromise the video but very much...
	DCTV SOFTWARE LOOKED GOOD. I did not like the delay, especially
	after viewing the toaster.... Wooooo!

	I met the owner of Safe Harbor "Dennis" he's retired and previously
	worked as an engineer. I believe he said he worked for Allen
	Bradley. Dennis seemed very nice, quite genuine and certainly 
	customer satisfaction oriented. My impression is they are probably
	a good company to deal with. Safe Harbor offers Technical Support
	and Dennis says they take pride in this, I believe him and I know
	I will be doing some business with his company in the near future.

	Safe Harbor was listed in Decembers Amiga World in a black and
	white page. They are on Page 123. They offer a BBS at 414-548-8140.
	
	If you order anything from Dennis at Safe Harbor, let him know
	your a DEC employee, and that we appreciate the products and services
	his business offers us "Amigoids" which will take our Amigas to
	our graves.


	Again, I'm not affiliated in any manner with Safe Harbor, I simply
	like what I saw and feel our Digital Amiga owners should know
	this in my honest opinion was a 1st rate Amiga Business!


	Michael Gaines
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5285.11 more thingANGLIN::GAINESWed Dec 18 1991 18:167
    Oh, I almost forgot the listing in Amiga World does not represent
    all of their available software, hardware, etc... I dialed into their
    BBS and extracted a 26 page listing of all  their Amiga software,
    and hardware products.
    
    	MAG
    
5285.2Postit?ALLVAX::TERELLAThu Dec 19 1991 14:222
	Can you put the 26 page listing on EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]  ?      -mt
5285.3I'll let ya knowANGLIN::GAINESFri Dec 20 1991 13:387
    Let me check with Safe Harbor, hopefully they wont mind... I'll also
    ask if Safe Harbor will be willing to provide a meet or beat the 
    competition with all DEC employee orders.
    
    I'll let ya know soon.
    
    Michael Gaines
5285.4HYDRA::MOORESimply reinstall....EVERYTHING!Fri Dec 20 1991 18:112
    Various issues of the Safe Harbor catalog have been uploaded onto EOT
    in the past.  Look for file names like SHnnnn.LZH.
5285.5Hot quote on a modemATIS01::ASHFORTHMon Dec 23 1991 10:2417
I couldn't find a basenote for "hot price quotes" except the one for Amigas,
nor could I find a generic modem note- this seems to be becoming a Safe Harbor
basenote, though, so I figured I'd plop this note here.

Readers of AmigaWorld may have noticed the recent Safe Harbor ad quoting $245 for
the new Supra FaxModem 9600. This sounded like such a great deal I called
Supra to doublecheck on the specs for the modem. Well, I found that (a) the
list is only $299.95, and (b) Supra is also coming out with a v.32bis/v.42bis
model which lists at $399.95! (For those not familiar with modem protocol
standards, v.32bis allows speeds up to 14,400 bps.) Safe Harbor is selling the
latter at $305, which for my money makes the upscale model a better deal.

Further info: the FaxModem 9600 is due to ship Jan. 14 '92, the 14.4K model on
Jan. 7 '92. Merry slightly-post-Xmas to me...


Bob
5285.6FAXmodem != MODEMSTAR::GUINEAUit's nothing personalMon Dec 23 1991 10:333
Can a FAXmodem be used as a regular MODEM? I don't think so...

john
5285.7Cheaper next month and never faster than the speed of light.ULTRA::BURGESSMad Man across the waterMon Dec 23 1991 11:0519
re                      <<< Note 5285.5 by ATIS01::ASHFORTH >>>
>                           -< Hot quote on a modem >-

	I don't know how hot this really is...
  Modem prices/speeds are just the latest thing on THAT curve (-:   
Check again next month...  check computer shopper too, the I*M market 
is much more cut-thro< 

	Also;  yes, "9600fax"  usually describes a modem that is 
capable of 9600 baud when sending faxes, but does 2400 baud when 
sending/receiving data (where every little bit counts).

	Beware of such terms as  "effective speed"  in the ads.
They are valid claims, using compression, but if you down-load files that 
are already compressed (I do, in fact I rarely down-load anything that 
ISN'T compressed) it doesn't buy you anything.

	Reg

5285.8Should do both...HSSTPT::WILSONTLLead Trumpet (Read that...LEED!)Mon Dec 23 1991 11:072
I also saw the ad.  It said it could send, receive FAX and also act as a 9,600
baud modem.  At the $245.00 price, it caught my eye very quickly.
5285.9Yes, it does both...ATIS01::ASHFORTHMon Dec 23 1991 11:1219
Yo John-

Sorry, should have elaborated-

Yes, these fax modems "do" both fax and data comm- I've never seen one which
didn't, but maybe I've led a sheltered life... Typically, faxmodems such as those
used in laptops are of the 2400baud data/9600baud fax variety. Frankly, I have
a fax already, and view the fax capabilities of these units as gravy; the
telecomm capability is my main interest.

Also, these are external modems, *un*like any fax modems I'd seen previously.
Another "trivial detail" (at least for me) is that these include *NO FAX
SOFTWARE* at present- Supra is still shopping for a licensable product to provide
that functionality. Reportedly it will be available to purchasers of the modem at
a nominal upgrade charge.

Hope that clears things up-

Bob
5285.10Some background...ATIS01::ASHFORTHMon Dec 23 1991 12:0828
Re .7:

All quite valid points, which always makes the time to "buy into" technology a
judgement call. I've got no problem making this call for myself, though. Here's
my reasoning:

(1) I *do* track the PC shopping mags, and there's nothing which matches this.
Ballpark cheapo price for v.32 modems floats around $400 minimum, and I've seen
a "special deal" of $900 for two v.32bis modems. The latter are mighty scarce
until you get into the high-end models.

(2) While I don't follow the "standards soap opera" religiously, I stay pretty
much up-to-date on it, and I know of nothing coming down the pike in the near
future beyond v.32bis and/or v.42bis. I don't intend to ever get into a
nonstandard comm protocol, so for me I see the current wave of v.32bis/v.42bis as
a pretty stable plateau. I'd put the odds at 50/50 that any newer, faster,
bigger, better standard will be forthcoming before ISDN is commonly available
and modems themselves are obsolete.

As to future price cuts, the "big players" seem to have just gone through a round
of same, and I don't see any of them rushing to beat what seems like a fairly
drastic move on Supra's part. Worst I could see is others *matching* their price,
but not undercutting it worth noticing.


Your mileage may vary, of course, but them's my reckonin's.

Bob