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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

5041.0. "MSH won't format" by NZOMIS::VETTE (Sheep are natural blondes) Fri Sep 13 1991 02:24

    Hi People,

    I have installed MSH to facilitate easier file transfers from work. I
    don't know if it works yet, certainly formatting won't go...

    When I do "MESSYFMT MS0:" and answer all the questions, it says it's
    doing it's thing to cylinder 0, side 0, the drive light comes on and
    stays on, then it hangs. I have to reboot (I don't know any other way
    of killing the shell).

    It's MSH 1.30, and I have ARP 1.3 installed.

    I've tried doing a MOUNT MS0: first, and also not doing a MOUNT.

    My Mountlist entries for MS0: and MS1: follow. MessyFileSystem0 and
    MessyFileSystem1 are both in L:.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks,

    Lindsay
    
#

MS0:    FileSystem = L:MessyFileSystem0
        Device = Messydisk.device
        Unit = 0
        Flags = 0
        LowCyl = 0 ; HighCyl = 79
        Reserved = 0
        Surfaces = 2
        BlocksPerTrack = 9
        Buffers = 5
        DosType = 1
        BufMemType = 1
        BootPri = 0
        StackSize = 3072
        Priority = 9
        GlobVec = -1
        Mount = 1
        
#

MS1:    FileSystem = L:MessyFileSystem1
        Device = Messydisk.device
        Unit = 1
        Flags = 0
        LowCyl = 0 ; HighCyl = 79
        Reserved = 0
        Surfaces = 2
        BlocksPerTrack = 9
        Buffers = 5
        DosType = 1
        BufMemType = 1
        BootPri = 0
        StackSize = 3072
        Priority = 9
        GlobVec = -1
        Mount = 1
        
#
    
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5041.1Use an MSDOS PC for the formatGVA02::SLOANwe have met the enemy and he is usFri Sep 13 1991 04:2512
    I actually got MESSYFMT to work and format a disk, but when I tried to
    read it using PCDISK on a VAXstation I had problems with the file
    transfers.
    
    Nowadays I format my MSDOS disks on an MSDOS PC and that way I have no
    trouble at either end. Once you've formatted one, you can use any of
    the available copiers to replicate the disk including its format.
    
    
    Regards
    
    Steven
5041.2Very Messy...NZOMIS::VETTESheep are natural blondesFri Sep 13 1991 18:245
    Steven,

    Thanks. I'll give that a whirl on Moanday at work.

    Lindsay
5041.3other progs messup MessydosCGOOA::LEMOINEFri Sep 13 1991 19:2012
    Hi
    	I would like to interject, I have used MSH extensively and found
    that it would blowup if you had any programs that interfere with the
    trackdisk device ie. TRACKSALVE or possibly even VIRUS checkers that
    automatically check a disk when inserted. Too many programs playing
    around with the disk.
    Turn off any special disk programs, MSH and MessyFMT should work fine
    I was running with dos 1.3.3, I couldn't tell you how well MSH works
    with the Various flavours of DOS 2.XXX.
    
    	Regards  John Lemoine     Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
    
5041.4Other emulations messup MessyDOSCSSE32::SMITHReality, just a visible imagination?Fri Sep 13 1991 20:539
    re: -1
    
    I run TRACKSALVE, VIRUSX and MSH and never have a problem reading a
    disk CREATED on an IBM/Clone system.  Reading disks created on a
    VAXstation running SoftPC or PCdisk is another story.  I have only had
    marginal success with it.  Perhaps too many emulations.   ;')
    
    
    ...Ed
5041.5Try the IBeM Demmo and MSDOS FormatCX3PT3::WSC017::A_ANDERSONCSC32::A_Anderson NSU/VAX DTN 592-4170Sun Sep 15 1991 16:4216
    I have not used MSH that much since I have Cross Dos.  But I
    occasionally have a problem formatting with Cross Dos's Mformat
    command.  Usually this is on previously used floppies.  But I have
    found out that once I got a bootable 720K Msdos Floppy I downloaded the
    IBem Demmo and the Standard MSDOS Format command worked every time. 
    Its still using Cross Dos but with the IBeM software driving it.  I
    have not had an oportunity to try it on Soft PC but My Bridge Board
    likes it on a 5.25 inch 720K format.  I do not have an external
    3.5 inch floppy to test with the Bridge Board.  
    
    Alan
    
    
    
    
    
5041.6Omnidirectional MSHNZOMIS::VETTESheep are natural blondesTue Sep 17 1991 03:0216
    I now have MSH working, but only in one direction (PC - AMIGA).

    I went with the setup as per the destructions, just one device, called
    MSH, and the filesystem as MessyFileSystem. I was even able MessyFmt a
    disk in the end. I can copy stuff from my VAX account on to both a MSH
    formatted and a MS-DOS formatted disk, and read them just fine on the
    AMIGA.

    I can't read a LZH archive on the VAX that I copied from the AMIGA
    though, loads of CRC errors.

    Anyone got any clues about this?

    Thanks,

    Lindsay_Clueless
5041.7TRUCKS::BUSSINK_EDon't Ask, I Didn'tTue Sep 17 1991 06:0310
   >I can't read a LZH archive on the VAX that I copied from the AMIGA
   >though, loads of CRC errors.
   >
   >Anyone got any clues about this?

    A classic problem, try to 
    			CVTARC U <file>.lzh
    	on the VAX.
    
    						Erik
5041.8CVTARC not the answer.NZOMIS::VETTESheep are natural blondesTue Sep 17 1991 20:3336
    Thanks Erik, but I've been there, done that already ;-(

    This is what I get from the file before I CVTARC U it:

    NZOV03::Lindsay> lharc v VCHK526
       SIZE  RATIO     STAMP    NAME
    ------- ------ ------------ --------------------
      34882  42.1% Jul 29 18:32 Virus_Checker.doc
    LHARC Warning: Checksum error (LHarc file?)a
    -272205401  -6.2% Nov 14 18:24 +%�wѣ�{




    ��c~�#-lh1-�.
    LHARC Warning: Checksum error (LHarc file?)a
    LHARC Warning: Unknown header (LHarc file ?)
    ------- ------ ------------ --------------------
    -272170519  -6.2% Sep 18 10:29    2 files

    

    This is what I get afterwards, minus 3 files. The archive was reduced
    by CVTARC from 56 blocks to 3.

    NZOV03::Lindsay> lharc v z
       SIZE  RATIO     STAMP    NAME
    ------- ------ ------------ --------------------
      34882  42.1% Jul 29 18:32 Virus_Checker.doc
    ------- ------ ------------ --------------------
      34882  42.1% Sep 18 11:28    1 file

    Too weird for me. Thankfully most of my file transfer requirements are
    for the other direction.

    Lindsay
5041.9try thisMACNAS::COLLINSSTEVEWed Sep 18 1991 04:5410
    
    
    if your trnsferring the file with PCDISK try the following in pcdisk
    
    pcdisk> export/format=fixed flename
    
    then   cvtarc u filename  under vms.
    
    Steve..
    
5041.10Simpler solution to file attribute problem....?CVG::PETTENGILLmulpThu Sep 19 1991 22:2812
As I understand the problem from my experience, some programs like KERMIT
get confused by the Stream_LF attributes that some C programs leave on binary
files (and CVTARC fixes that?).  In the TOOLSHED is a program called FILESET
which allows you to set any arbitrary file attributes on a file; I've used
it on files that I hadn't otherwise been able to download.

I can easily copy it to EOT, but I'd better write something up first so
that its less likely to cause confusion.

For anyone who is working on various C programs that are used to pack or
unpack or upload or download who doesn't know what to do to make this hack
unnecessary, send me a note.  I hate C, but I do know file system stuff.