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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

5039.0. "Desparately seeking GfxBase" by SUBURB::MCDONALDA (Smoke me a kipper...) Thu Sep 12 1991 11:43

    Hi guys,
    
    Is the following number for GfxBase correct? (408) 262 1496
    
    I phoned this number yesterday and got the answering machine of an
    immensely bored Californian explaining that he couldn't pickup the
    phone as he was out. This, I decided, was not GfxBase.
    
    Could someone verify the number, or post the correct number if it is
    wrong. I would prefer a Fax number, as there is an eight hour
    difference to California from our side of the pond.
    
    The reason for wanting to contact GfxBase is to buy two copies of Amiga
    X-11. This will allow myself and my boss to telework; using our A2000s
    at our respective homes. Commodore UK are hopeless. The best their
    sales could do was put me in touch with two of their distributors. Both
    hadn't heard of Amiga X-11, and only one could get me TSSNET.
    
    Angus
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5039.1PAMSRC::XHOST::BARRETTKeith Barrett; DECmessageQ Expertise CntrThu Sep 12 1991 12:2723
Your phone number is correct. I have found it best to call after 4:00
(Californina time). I use DECnet and X-windows (and Motif :-) on my
AmigaDOS, so feel free to email me if you think I can help. It also works
with TCP/IP, SLIP (I believe), and SANA. You can run clients and servers
on your local system without networking, provided you have the memory and
processing power.


BTW -- If you are thinking of using X-windows over a modem, I have heard it is
not useful at baud rates below 9600 baud. It's also pretty expensize $$. The
kit takes about 10 meg of disk space - 14 meg if you add the 100dpi fonts. You
should also know that I have never been able to get ASYNC DECnet to work over
a modem (even though its suppose to work). It also does NOT come with XTERM.

If your goal is just networking, the DECnet may be all you need. It allows
multiple terminal sessions over your "link", file transfer and directories,
and now has email. Given that AmigaDOS also provides for using the
"SAY" command or sound samples (to "call out" to the remote user), it's
pretty complete. The X-windows won't really buy you additional functionality
and it's a pretty heafty package in terms of resources.



5039.2WHAMMY::spodarykFor three strange days...Thu Sep 12 1991 15:039
Keith, I never had any trouble using Asynch DECnet through the serial
port.  I believe I was using a normal "Scholar" modem and just dialed
into a local router setup for Asynch.  I ran like this for quite a while,
until I got the ethernet board.  

2400 baud is very painful, and not practical for X-windows (but it
does work).  9600 would be the way to go.

Steve
5039.3BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY beganFri Sep 13 1991 00:00123
Article 128 of comp.sys.amiga.announce:
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From: [email protected] (Bob Beauchemin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.announce
Subject: Motif Toolkit for Amiga announcement
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 12 Sep 91 23:22:46 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected] (Bob Beauchemin)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Organization: S&B Software, Inc
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    GfxBase, Inc and S&B Software, Inc are pleased to announce the
impending availability of a MOTIF Window Manager and MOTIF programmer's
toolkit for AmigaDOS.

    The Motif Window Manager runs in conjunction with the GfxBase X Server.
The programs produced by the toolkit can be used over a TCP/IP or
Decnet to other X servers on the network or displayed on GfxBase AmigaDOS
X Server with or without a network connection.

    Now you can use your Amiga and SAS C Compiler to produce
platform-independant C code for one of the industry's most popular Graphic
User Interfaces.

Details follow.

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Product Name:      OSF/Motif Programmer's Toolkit for the Amiga
                   Personal Computer

Motif Version:     Motif Version 1.1.2

X Version:         X11 R4

AmigaDOS Version:  AmigaDOS 1.3 or 2.0

Contact:           Bob Beauchemin                 Dale Luck
                   S&B Software, Inc        or    GfxBase, Inc
                   6503 SW 46th Place             1881 Ellwell Dr
                   Portland, OR, 97221            Milpitas, CA, 95035
                   (503)-244-5029                 (408)-262-1469

Product Description:

   OSF/Motif Programmer's Toolkit for Amiga is an implementation of the
Motif toolkit by the Open Software Foundation. Used in conjunction with the
X Window System Programmer's Toolkit for Amiga, it allows the development,
testing and execution of Motif programs under the native AmigaDOS operating
system.

   The toolkit consists of Motif include files and libraries adapted to
allow development of Amiga clients using the SAS C compiler.
The UIL User Interface Language compiler, a Motif development tool,
and numerous Motif source code examples are included.

   These programs run on the Amiga personal computer and can communicate
with either local displays through "X Window for the Amiga" X server
or remote displays on other X Window based servers through a network.
Programs developed with this product are almost completely source-code
compatible with Motif programs on other platforms and operating systems,
including Sun, DEC (VMS and Ultrix), HP, and IBM.

   The Motif toolkit produces X Window applications that, when run under
the MWM window manager(included), provide an industry-standard graphic user
interface. The behavior of this interface is very similar to Presentation
Manager; actually it consists of a superset of PM and Microsoft Windows
behaviors. Because of its ease-of-use and consistancy, Motif is fast
becoming one of the industry standards in graphic user interfaces (GUIs).


Motif Programmer's Toolkit for Amiga Contents:
   Motif release 1.1.2 include files
   Motif release 1.1.2 object code libraries
   Motif Window Manager (MWM) binary
   User Interface Language (UIL) compiler binary
   Widget Meta Language (WML) a UIL compiler customization tool
   Motif/UIL source code examples and makefiles

Software prerequisites:
   SAS C compiler (formerly Lattice C) for the Amiga version 5.10a
   X Window System Programmers Toolkit for the Amiga from GfxBase Ver 4.2
     (Included with "base" Motif Toolkit Package, see below).
   X Window System (X server) for the Amiga Computer from GfxBase Ver 3.3
     or
   Conection to remote X Window servers through Commodore TCP/IP (ethernet)
   or DECnet (ethernet/serial). TSSnet from Syndesis provides the DECnet
   transport capability.

Hardware requirements:
   Host Computer: Amiga A3000, A2500, A2000, A1000, A500 models
   Mass storage:  Requires 15 megabytes of hard disk space or NFS partition
   RAM:           Requires 4 megabytes of RAM for software development,
                  addition storage recommended.

Availability:  September 15, 1991

Price:
   Motif Programmer's Toolkit (includes X Programmer's Toolkit & MWM) $495
   Motif Window Manager (separately)                                   $99
   Special price for current owners of X Programmer's Toolkit
   Bundles available with other GfxBase products

Trademarks:
   Amiga is a trademark of Commodore-Amiga, Inc
   X Window system is a trademark of MIT
   OSF/Motif is a trademark of Open Software Foundation
   Presentation Manager and Windows are trademarks of Microsoft, Inc
   SAS C Compiler/Amiga is a trademark of SAS, Inc
   XView is a trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc
   OPEN LOOK is a trademark of Sun Microsystems and AT&T
   DECnet, VMS and Ultrix are trademarks of Digital Equipment Corp
   TSSnet is a trademark of Thursby Software Systems

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5039.4Arrggghhhh! Transposed digits!!!!!SUBURB::MCDONALDASmoke me a kipper...Wed Sep 25 1991 10:2720
    I think I have discovered why it is everytime I ring Gfxbase I get the
    answering machine of an immensely bored californian. Dork features here
    has been dialing
    
                   (408) 262 1496
                               ^^
    
    International directory enquiries have just told me that I should be
    dialing
    
                   (408) 262 1469
                               ^^
    
    I just got through to them (YEA! and the crowd goes wild) and managed
    to leave a message on their answering machine.
    
    Re. replies. Thanks for taking timeout to reply to me guys. I'm sure
    I'll be contacting you for advise, once I get this here software.
    
    Angus
5039.5FAX = 408-262-8276BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where &#039;multimedia&#039; REALLY beganWed Sep 25 1991 20:014
    GfxBase does have a FAX number:
    
    	408-262-8276
    
5039.6Success!!!!!SUBURB::MCDONALDASmoke me a kipper...Thu Sep 26 1991 12:2618
    Dale Luck faxed me back with details of his distributor in the UK.
    
    They are the Amiga Centre Scotland, 031 557 4242. And a very useful
    bunch of guys they appear to be. Commodore UK never mentioned them.
    
    However, their opinion of Commodore UK and my opinion of Commodore UK
    coincide.
    
    The only downer is the price they are charging for the software: �399
    
    This compares with �225 ($395) that Dale claims he can sell it to me
    for. Though I guess, once you add on postage and packing, duty and VAT,
    it should come pretty close to �399.
    
    They also have TSSNET; another piece of software none of the Commodore
    recognised distributors seemed to have heard about.
               
    Angus
5039.7Amiga MOTIF now shipping from GfxBase, only $99.SUBURB::MCDONALDASmoke me a kipper...Thu Sep 26 1991 12:5114
    I've just finished speaking to Dale Luck; I only rang him up to tahnk
    him for faxing me.
    
    MOTIF for Amiga is now shipping. So far you can only get it from
    GfxBase. Price $99.
    
    The image is twice the size of the X-11 software; Dale recommended an
    extra meg.
    
    I'd love to know how this compares with Amiga X-11. It would make far
    more sense for us to use this rather than Amiga X-11; especially as its
    $300 (hence �300) cheaper than X-11.
    
    Angus
5039.8Motif + X11 = complete package?WHAMMY::spodarykFor three strange days...Thu Sep 26 1991 13:015
Wouldn't Motif have to be used with the normal Amiga X11?  What do you
get for the $99?  My guess is just a 'mwm' and perhaps a few clients.
I doubt it would come with the server, etc, but you never know...

Steve