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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4815.0. "TLZ04 Tape Drive" by FSDEV2::JBERNARD (John Bernard 297-2563 MR01-1/L87) Tue Jun 11 1991 12:26

    I have a TLZ04 1.2Gb Tape drive.  Has anyone used this sucessfully
    on an Amiga SCSI bus?  Specifically, what driver/handler/device
    was used and what backup program works with the handler (BRU/TAr/??).
    
    This seems like a super little drive!!
    
    John
    
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4815.1ELWOOD::PETERSTue Jun 11 1991 12:2910
    
    
    	It works with the Amigados 2.0 tape utilities and it works with
    the VMS backup ( read only ) program I wrote.
    
    	Steve Peters
    
    P.S. I used the A3000 SCSI and I tried a GVP controller. Both work.
    
    
4815.2Details needed...FSDEV2::JBERNARDJohn Bernard 297-2563 MR01-1/L87Tue Jun 11 1991 13:4520
    Steve,
    
    What does the mountlist entry have to be???
    
    I'm running WB 1.3 on all the systems until 2.0 comes out in rom...
    
    BRU seems to be ok under 1.3, but doesn't recognize Tape: since I
    haven't mounted it, I can't mount it since I don't have any
    parameters/driver/? for a mountlist entry...
    
    I'm probably missing something simple....
    
    Under the GVP controller, I assume the disk handler would not deal well
    with the tape drive, or BRU takes care of the conversion to tape-speak.
    
    sigh...  all these different tape drives and all they give me is the
    one-finger salute..
     
    John
    
4815.3ADOVS9::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Tue Jun 11 1991 15:222
A DAT drive on the Ami would be nice - except for the price tag. I supose if
you can borrow one from the office...
4815.4ELWOOD::PETERSTue Jun 11 1991 15:5513
    
    
    	I used a TLZ04 while working on VBACK ( VMS compatible backup ).
    The version I put on tape directly controls the DAT ( SCSI DIRECT ).
    This software was debugged on a A3000 and a A2000 with a GVP
    controller. The software works in both cases. The VBACK software
    also working under AMIGADos 2.0 ( No mount list required ).
    
    	I'll have to lookup my old mountlist for BRU. I tried this once
    under AmigaDos 2.0 and it seemed to work O.K.
    
    		Steve P.
    
4815.5More info?FSDEV2::JBERNARDJohn Bernard 297-2563 MR01-1/L87Wed Jun 12 1991 10:1412
    Steve,
    
    The mountlist would be appriciated, thanks.
    
    I thought VBACK was read only of a backup created on a VMS-based
    system?  I want to use a couple TLZ04's to back up and transfer 
    between Amiga's at home and at work.  Any recommendations on
    handlers/software that will support the TLZ04?
    
    Thanks,
    John
    
4815.6ELWOOD::PETERSWed Jun 12 1991 10:508
    
    
    	VBACK is a read-only of VMS created backup savesets, but this is
    only the first step. The plan calls for a fully compatible read/Write
    version. All I need is free time.
    
    		Steve P.
    
4815.7TABAHTAT::BAHTAT::HILTONHow's it going royal ugly dudes?Wed Jun 12 1991 10:515
    How about tar for the amiga and tar on an ULTRIX machine?
    Would this work?
    
    
    Greg (with a TLZ04 on a DECstation 5000 that does nothing at wends)
4815.8ELWOOD::PETERSWed Jun 12 1991 11:428

	re .7

	This is a good idea. The TZK50 version of the tape driver coupled
with the PD TAR program should be able to interchange data.

		Steve P.
4815.9More Explanation pleaseBAHTAT::BAHTAT::HILTONHow's it going royal ugly dudes?Wed Jun 12 1991 12:3610
    Steve,
    
    you say you need the TZK50 version of the tape driver? What does that
    give me? Can I plug a TLZ04 into the 25 (?) pin adapter on my SCSI
    driver, run the program and then tar direct to DAT?
    
    
    Confused,
    
    Greg
4815.10Need to format tape?FSDEV2::JBERNARDJohn Bernard 297-2563 MR01-1/L87Wed Jun 12 1991 13:505
    To add to the confusion, does one need to format the tape (TLZ04 or
    others) and if so, how?
    
    John
    
4815.11ELWOOD::PETERSWed Jun 12 1991 14:4733
    
    
    	re .9 .10
    
    	Some time back John Guineau and I did some work on a PD version
    of a tape driver and TAR program. The PD version of the driver was
    written for QIC ( Quarter Inch Cartridge ) tape drives.
    
    	I then re-wrote the driver to support variable record tapes (
    in this case TK50 ). The TK50 driver will read/write variable block
    DAT tapes. This is the same format Ultrix uses to read/Write DAT
    tapes.
    
    re .10
    	You do not format tapes. TAR is limited to writing a dataset on
    tape that contains one or more files. TAR is then used to restore the
    files to a disk before they can be used.
    
    	The files you need are on TAPE::
    
    		tape::Amiga:[amiga.hardware]TK50.lzh
    		tape::amiga:[amiga.hardware]tar.zoo
    
    	The TAR zoo contains a manual.
    
    	The DAT drive is SCSI and can be connected to the same SCSI
    controller that you use for the disks. To use the Tape software
    the controller must support SCSI DIRECT commands ( CBM A2091, GVP
    controllers, and the hardframe work ).
    
    
    		Steve Peters
    
4815.12Which cable?BAHTAT::BAHTAT::HILTONHow's it going royal ugly dudes?Thu Jun 13 1991 05:195
    Assuming my controller does support SCSI direct, is it possible to
    purchase a cable which goes from my 25(?) pin SCSI port to the
    centronics like plug which is on the back of the DAT/Tk50 devices?
    
    Greg
4815.13Mac SCSI cableARRODS::GOLDSTEINSteve G DTN: 847-5416/5455Thu Jun 13 1991 07:176
    
    	The cable you require is available and cost approx �10-�15 (U.K
    Pounds). It's a MAC SCSI cable BUT wait till the show on the 27-June
    You might be able to get it cheaper...
    
    	Steve G
4815.14Can VBACK work with the Hardframe?LODGE::LENDavid M. LenThu Jun 13 1991 11:187
    re .6
    While we are on the subject of tapes and VBACK.  Has anything happened
    about the problem I was having using VBACK with the Hardframe
    controller.  I got some open error.  Steve, did you determine that it
    was a hardware or software issue? Or that it can't work with the
    Hardframe?
    
4815.15ELWOOD::PETERSFri Jun 14 1991 12:169
    re .14
    
    	I have been too busy to fix the problem, but I know exactly what's
    wrong. I was using the auto sense feature of SCSI direct. The hardframe
    doesn't support this. The code to work around this feature is straight
    forward ( I know how to do it ).
    
    		Steve P.
    
4815.16WhereBAHTAT::BAHTAT::HILTONHow's it going royal ugly dudes?Mon Jun 17 1991 15:225
    re. 13
    
    Which show Steve, and where?
    
    Greg