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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4800.0. "ADspeed" by VIVIAN::D_VISTUER () Fri Jun 07 1991 19:42

    Has anyone brought ICD ADspeed for their Amiga. If so can you share
    some of your thought, problems and joys.
    I have seen articles on the Usenet conference that suggest this
    Souped up device can give speed increases up to 102% of a normal Amiga
    @ 7 Mhz.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Dave V.
    
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4800.1Amiga Shopper has some answers...WOTVAX::HATTOSI think, Therefore I'm paid lessMon Jun 10 1991 05:2941
    Dave, I have just finished reading an article in Amiga Shopper on this
    very beast.  It was in the middle of a review foe various accelerator
    cards, and as the review for this was not that long in comparison to
    the other boards... here is what they say.....
    
    "The ADSpeed comes under the heading of a speed up chip rather than an
    accelerator as such. And, although it looks unimpressive in the face of
    all this other racing hardware, its ability to double the speed of your
    Amiga such that you can switch back to 7MHz mode without having to
    reboot is certainly not to be sniffed at.
    
    The unit is a little 68000 chip on a tiny circuit board, with lots of
    other chips on and between it and the board (Really Technical...STU!).
    A neat little device and , being solidly built, it pushes into the slot
    with what the manual describes as 'moderate force'.
    
    The ADSpeed slots into the processor socket and the fallback mode is
    operated by activating a program from the CLI or Workbench, which can
    select the mode you want to operate in. The unit is trouble free and
    very compatible, but due to the lack of RAM speed there is no
    positive boost to performance for graphics purposes."
    
    
    I admit that this is not very technical... most of the article is
    devoted to accelerator cards, and in fact for the price of the ADSpeed
    they recommend that the HARMS 020 and 030 are better value. In the UK
    the ADSpeed is retailing for around #173 and the HARMS 020 and 030 from
    around #150. These plug into the trapdoor from what I can gather, so no
    messing with the Amiga, and they have the option to take faster 32 bit
    RAM which of course will be extra.   
    
    
    I have just re-read the article again and it appears the the HARMS
    cards are not for the trapdoor after all but you have to pop out the
    68000 to slot them in..
    
    VIVIAN is in the UK so why not get a copy of Amiga Shopper...99p .. and
    have a read.....or maybe you have.....8*)
    
    Stuart
    
4800.2HARMS = May be HARMfulVIVIAN::D_VISTUERMon Jun 10 1991 08:0430
    Stuart,
    	Thanks for the info. However, I have the mag and have read the
    article. The Harms card you refer to seems a good option so I rang up
    Bytes 'n' Pieces and spoke to the M.D., he said that he was not
    particluarly happy with the manufacturer of the card. It is difficult
    to expand and to use his words ".. If you buy one you may end up in a
    cul-de-sac.." this statement refered to it's limited expandability.
    All in all I gathered he was not happy with this product. Not exactly a
    beaming endorsement !. The bottom line is stay clear. Go for a CSA or
    SSL, although I have heard that the SSL card have problems as well.
    
    About the Adspeed. I have just spoken to Jason Miller of Third Coast.
    He told me that Amiga Computing reviewed one of the Adspeed boards and
    were not impressed. This was an early production model. It transpired
    that the old versions had a problem with the way the Cache was working
    and caused the board to run extremely slow. However, ICD corrected this
    by adding a 'GAL' chip which they glued to the underside. Now the
    latest versions should all have this 'GAL' chip (apparently it's the
    only chip on the underside). Now the board flys at 80-100% as was it's
    original intention.
    Jason also said that if he can get an order of 5 or more he will sell
    it to the interested parties for �149.95 instead of �169.95. Currently,
    MJC are the cheaped source of Adspeed with a price of �159.95. So, any
    takers ????. If so mail me.
    
    Regards.
    
                               
    Dave.
    
4800.3Some Harms pricesVIVIAN::D_VISTUERMon Jun 10 1991 08:1015
    Stuart,
    	Opps!, I nearly forgot, some prices for the Harms.
    
    Bare Harms board w/o cpu, co-por or ram - �150
    with 68020/20 cpu                          - �199
    with 68881/20 Co-pro                       - �254
    
    Harms 030/25 inc cpu                       - �385
    but no ram or co-pro
    
    
    Regards.
    
         
    Dave.
4800.4AdSpeed looks good to meRIPPLE::LUKE_TETerry Luke SLO (Utah)Thu Oct 03 1991 17:3729
    I have had an ADspeed for a couple of days now and I thought I'd share
    my good experiences thus far.  I haven't had much time to do specific
    speed testing yet since I've been very busy using my Amiga for real
    work, but I haven't had any reliability problems running as hard as I
    have been.
    
    My main reason for buying it was to speed up real-time playing of
    animations while playing sequenced MIDI music.  I have a Director
    program which measures frame rate of anims being played and I was
    getting only 4.5-6.6 frames/sec before the AdSpeed while playing very
    complex musical sequences.  Knowing that AdSpeed doesn't speed up chip
    operations, I wasn't sure if it would help me much in playing anims
    faster.  The review in 4412 which had performance, didn't relate to any
    of my requirements, so I purchased one for $209 and took a chance.
    
    My anims that were playing in the 4.5-6.6 fps range play at 12 fps now. 
    Ocasionally, during very complex musical segments, it will slow for a
    few frames to 8.5 fps, but overall, its running at 12.  Without
    Adspeed, they were running more at 5 with an ocasional spike at 6 or
    higher, so I am very pleased with the very inexpensive performance I
    have received.  An interesting note, if I turn off the music and run
    the test, the anims run at 12 fps too, just no slowdowns.  
    
    I have a 2000 with 4MB of ram, 2 of which are chip ram (Megachip 2000),
    the ICD Advantage with a Quantum 52MB and a Syquest 44MB drive.  No
    compatability problems at all.  
    
    Terry,