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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4767.0. "Camcorders Composite" by KAHUNA::SUMNER () Fri May 24 1991 13:16

    I just ordered the VT, now my deleima is getting a camcorder with 400
    + line composite out.  The Hi8's and S-VHS all claim 400+ line res.
    but do not spec. the composite out.  I called JVC and Sony, they said
    if the camera states 400+ line res then that also means the composite
    out also, except that the chrom. and lum. signals are not seperated.
    
    Does anybody know if this is true?
    
    Thanks,
    ~Ray
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4767.1YC out is seperated signalSALEM::LEIMBERGERFri May 24 1991 13:557
    What VT did you order? I use a Canon Mark II Hi8 camera. When I hook it
    to the supergen 2000s I use the YC out. To the best of my knowledge
    this seperates the Chrom. and lum. The output of the genlock runs
    to the AG1960 deck and plugs into the YC in. This manual also states
    that I have a seperated signal. The supergen manual states that if I 
    use the YC input I don't have to worry about the dot crawl associated
    with standard VHS.
4767.2HI-8 to TBCELWOOD::PETERSFri May 24 1991 14:0815
    
    
    	I have also been setting up a Video Toaster system. I use a cannon
    A-1 ( Hi-8 ) camcorder that is rated at over 400 lines. I use the
    Y-C ( S-video ) output to connect to the TBC. The TBC not only corrects
    and syncs the signal but outputs a composite signal that is rated at
    over 400 lines. The composite is then sent to the VT.
    	I feel this is the best solution. You require a TBC to use a
    camcorder with the VT. The Digital Personal TBC ( the one I have ) is
    the lowest cost TBC I've found. It fits in the unused IBM slots and it
    has Y-C inputs. The Y-C connection gives you the best signal possible
    to the TBC and the output is compatible with the VT.
    
    			Steve Peters
    
4767.3QuestionsKAHUNA::SUMNERFri May 24 1991 16:1819
Your right, that is the best solution.  My problem is I just purchased the
A2000HD about 2 months ago, then upgraded to 5Meg, and a sound digitizer.
I've ordered the VT and now need to purchase a good camcorder which should
run between $900-$3000 (Hi8 or S-VHS).  I won't be able to aford the AG1960
for two more months and then I need to get the TBC on a card (hopefully by
then the dual TBC on a card will be on the market).  And, that's not my
end system.  I'll still need an accelerator board (GVP), 2 more S-VHS decks
to be able to do AB rolls.  It will take me awhile to put this thing totally
together.  So, the point I'm at now is only dealing with live video and stills.

Have you ever tried digitizing stills with the VT and using your composite out 
of your camcorder going to the toaster and viewing the results on tape?  Also,
when recording and using the "composite in" on the AG1960 do you record in 
S-VHS mode to be able to capture the resolution of the toaster?  Sorry for 
the bombardment of questions.

~Ray

4767.4You don't need TBC with VTMRKTNG::PRICEDave Price DTN 264-3467Fri May 24 1991 16:288
Why spend the $$$ on TBCs for the VT?  Spend it on the Panasonic WJAVE5,
and use that for the TBC required by the VT.

Better yet, get the WJAVE5 and forget the VT.

(The technique for using the WJAVE5 is explained in "The Digital Mixer
Video", available for $32 from Elite Video, 203-661-1312.  This video
covers the WJMX10, WJMX12, and WJAVE5.)
4767.5mixer no match for VTSALEM::LEIMBERGERTue May 28 1991 06:2624
    AVID magazine just had a bit on using the JX12 as a feed to the toaster
    instead of a TBC. The article stated that the results were very good.
    re. >>Better yet, get the WJAVE5 and forget thr toaster.
    	Thats fine if your limited to a Mac and all you want is a mixer.
    You seem to have forgotton that the Toaster is more than a simple
    switcher. You could not have done Todd Rudgrens video,or Mark Thompsons
    Animation without the Toaster. The $1600.00 spent on the toaster will
    far exceed the capability you get with a video mixer. Putting it in
    that context you are buying the software,and the Toaster is free. Most
    modeling packages alone on the Mac cost more than the Toaster. I have
    the Supergen 2000s in my video slot today, so I don't see a Toaster in
    my near future. I also have excellent software that compares nicely
    with that which is bundled with the Toaster. I don't have two 24 bit
    framebuffers, or the framgrabber capabilities of the Toaster. Of course
    a mixer would give you none of the above. Lest we forget, the toaster 
    not only gives you the ability to switch between four live inputs, but
    also the two frame buffers,and the background generator. Add to this
    the edge you will gain in creative ability, and you have a package that
    far exceeds any others in this price range. Many have complained about
    the need for TBC's with the toaster but the bottom line is that this is
    not a restriction of the toaster. It is a problem inherent to the Video
    Industry. I know of Two Professional Video houses that have all kinds
    of gear but use a toaster for their switcher. 
    							bill 
4767.6ditto!KAHUNA::SUMNERTue May 28 1991 13:011