Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    Yeah, I got the same thing. A real pain. Though apparently you can FTP
    mail by sending mail to DECWRL::FTPMAIL but I've NEVER got it to work
    properly. I got the HELP file sent once but that was it. Also, given
    that DECWRL is well and truly stuffed at the moment, it's  fairly
    academic for the time being anyway!
    
    Shame about Princeton though. Wouldn't it be nice if we had FTP
    available to us and be done with it !!!
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    
    				Jamie.

    
    after a suitable amount of grief, I figured out how to get
    DECWRL::FTPMAIL to work for me.  The following works for grabbing
    binary files off of ab20.
    
From:	BAGELS::BRANNON 
To:	NM%DECWRL::FTPMAIL
CC:	BRANNON
Subj:	ftp

reply [email protected]
connect ab20.larc.nasa.gov
uuencode
binary
get /amiga/utils/archivers/puttrax.lzh
quit
    

    Do you have the help file for FTPMAIL?  Are the commands similar
    to bitftp(i.e get, dir, etc...)?  I'm just full of questions tonight
    
    ;^)
    
    mark
    

re. 2

	Your suggestion seems to be working. I sent mail last night
	and received a reply this morning stating that my request for
	the file had been entered in the queue and I should receive it
	later today.

	Thank you for the info.


	
Steve.............

    
    re.1
    
    Here are the commands after I sent a HELP mail...:-
     
    
From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "ftpmail" 17-MAY-1991 10:23:39.50
To:	arrods::goldstein 
CC:	
Subj:	your ftpmail request has been received 

>>> this help file was last edited on 15-February-1991
>>>
>>> commands are:
	reply <MAILADDR>	set reply addr, since headers are usually wrong
	connect [HOST [USER [PASS]]]  defaults to gatekeeper.dec.com, anonymous
	ascii			files grabbed are printable ascii
	binary			files grabbed are compressed or tar or both
	compress		compress binaries using Lempel-Ziv encoding
	compact			compress binaries using Huffman encoding
	uuencode		binary files will be mailed in uuencode format
	btoa			binary files will be mailed in btoa format
	ls (or dir) PLACE	short (long) directory listing
	get FILE		get a file and have it mailed to you
	quit			terminate script, ignore rest of mail message
					(use if you have a .signature or
					 are a VMSMAIL user)
>>> notes:
	-> you must give a "connect" command, default host is
	   gatekeeper.dec.com, default user is anonymous, default
	   password is your mail address.
	-> binary files will not be compressed unless 'compress' or 'compact'
	   command is given; use this if at all possible, it helps a lot.
	-> binary files will always be formatted into printable ASCII
	   with "btoa" or "uuencode" (default is "btoa").
	-> all retrieved files will be split into 60KB chunks and mailed.
	-> VMS/DOS/Mac versions of uudecode, atob, compress and compact
	   are available, ask your LOCAL wizard about them.
 
% ====== Internet headers and postmarks (see DECWRL::GATEWAY.DOC) ======
Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AC07454; Fri, 17 May 91 02:21:59 -0700
Received: by uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16181; Fri, 17 May 91 02:17:12 -0700
Date: Fri, 17 May 91 02:17:12 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (ftpmail)
To: arrods::goldstein
Subject: your ftpmail request has been received

    Couple of notes from a user...
    
    1. Expect to wait overnight up to several days.
    2. Always use "binary" and "uuencode" commands for binary files.
    3. When retrieving the typical binary archive file, do NOT use
    "compress" or "compact."
    4. You must use the full directory path in each "get" and "dir"
    command.  There's no "cd" command.
    5. This notesfile is the "LOCAL wizard" -- Paul Vixie has funny ideas
    about VMS system support.
    6. For more information, read the Usenet newsgroup "dec.mail.ftpmail".
    
    Wes

    Wow! It'd be faster to pull it across over my old 300 baud modem!
    
    I'd have thought that the speed could be upped a bit!
    
    Oh well! I'll have to stick to my old method of mailing people on the
    machine who then mail me the files I want!
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    
    				Jamie.

    Jamie,
    
    The problem is not the transfer speed.  DEC Western Research Lab is
    connected at 10 MBPS to many large institutions across the country
    (much better than internal DEC connectivity, as a matter of fact). 
    However, Paul Vixie, writer and maintainer of the decwrl ftpmail
    server, has sensibly decreed that it should run during the nighttime in
    the Pacific time zone.  What with lousy connectivity to/from California
    inside the corporation, rather frequent outages, and loading that's
    sure to increase with the restriction of BITFTP, it's quite possible
    that a request might not be serviced the first night.
    
    Fastest service I ever got was to dial in at 7:30 AM Eastern time, send
    my request, and get the files back an hour later.  On the other hand,
    during holiday weekends, the BITFTP server has responded in minutes.
    
    The topic of external FTP access for mere mortal DECcies is better
    suited for somewhere like HUMAN::SECURITY_POLICY.
    
    It's worth pointing out that Vixie put this thing on the air as an
    intellectual challenge, and that it is not funded or supported except
    in Paul's spare time.
    
    Wes

Speaking of FTPing...  has anyone been able to get a reponse from Deep Thoughts
file server?  I've tried serveral times just to get it to send me the help
file, all to no avail...
 
Cheers,

JK
 
              --==++    "CARPE DIEM - Sieze the Day!!"    ++==--                

    I tried deepthot with no results.  The IP routing gets hosed somewhere
    along the way.  I just sent another list request and am awaiting a
    reply.
    
    md

    I finally got through to deepthot.  I have a lharc'd listing of the
    files located there.  If there is interest I will upload to TAPE, or I
    can mail you the uuencoded archive.  It arrived in 5 pieces.  Let me
    know.
    
    mark
    

    There's a message from Paul Vixie in dec.mail.ftpmail saying that it IS
    now funded, they've got FOUR new machines to connect up for the gateway
    and possibly DECUAC and CRL will have FTP mail servers on them as well!
    
    So it's starting to look good... just got to be patient (not a quality
    of mine ;-)

    I've uploaded a current version of the index of files on AB20 (FILES.Z)
    to TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]AB20_FILES.LIS.  This will help you locate file
    for your FTPmail requests...

>>	ls (or dir) PLACE	short (long) directory listing

The trouble with this is you only get one directory's worth of information,
which might (and probably will) contain subdirectories.

However where the ftp site is a VMS system I was able in one case to get the 
directory of USR:[ANONYMOUS.AMIGA-SIG...]*.*;*

Can anyone suggest how to get a 'tree' of information sent via ftp to you
from a unix system? As far as I know there is no direct translation of [...] 
in unix-ese.

Is it worth trying, for example, something along the lines of...

dir "-R /amiga"
dir "`find /amiga -name \* -print`" 

Dave

I think most ftp mail servers will parse the commands you send. Unless the
server has a recursive listing command, you might be out of luck.

If you are connected to an ftp site over the internet, you can just
use the Unix commands (ls -R).

john