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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4573.0. "ICD Flicker Free Video (FFV) ?" by BOMBE::MOORE (Amiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY began) Thu Mar 07 1991 19:24

    Anybody tried ICD's Flicker Free Video device yet?  I'm leaning toward
    that, rather than CBM's Display Enhancer, because it doesn't take away
    my video slot.  I don't think I've seen any reviews on this one so far.
    
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4573.1a friend likes it.CGOFS::OAKLEYBCNU2Fri Mar 08 1991 10:3112
    
    One of the people in the Executive of our local Amiga Club has put one
    of these on his 2000 and rates it very high.  He is a hardware type but
    indicated that it installs easily and works very well.  His major
    reason for this unit is that it leaves the video slot free for other
    items.
    
    If you have any specific questions post them and I will relay the
    information.
    
    wayne
    
4573.2Tell me More...GOBAMA::WILSONTLLead Trumpet (Read that...LEED!)Fri Mar 08 1991 10:509
    I have a few...
    
    I understand it plugs in place of an existing chip.  Which one?
    
    What are the physical dimensions of the board?
    
    Is an attached cable provided?
    
    aTdHvAaNnKcSe...Tony
4573.3Partial answerULTRA::KINDELBill Kindel @ LTN1Fri Mar 08 1991 13:0313
    Re .2:                                                           
    
>   I understand it plugs in place of an existing chip.  Which one?
    
    I think it goes UNDER the Denise chip.  One uplugs Denise, plugs in the
    board, and plugs Denise into a socket thereon.
    
>   Is an attached cable provided?
    
    Yes.  For the A500, the flat cable (which one passes between the upper
    and lower case halves) terminates in a DB9 connector.  For the A2000,
    a metal piece is provided for the DB9 connector to pass through. 
    Between the DB9 and your monitor should be a standard VGA monitor cable.
4573.4Flicker Fixer Too!SDOGUS::WILLIAMSTOPGUNFri Mar 08 1991 14:289
    For those of you who already have a Flicker Fixer, I am running a DEB
    2000 with Toaster, with no ill effects.  Seems to work fine.
    
    This is the same kind of thing, captures video off Denise and runs it
    over to the left side of the case.
    
    Easy to install if you can use a screwdriver.
    
    Topgun
4573.5BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY beganFri Mar 08 1991 16:397
    I've already eliminated Flicker Fixer from consideration because it
    doesn't support both NTSC and PAL display modes.  I have installed a
    switch to boot in either mode, and PAL is useful sometimes.
    
    Thanks for the info on cable cofigurations, I'd been wondering about
    that myself.  There's a (small) picture of the FFV board in current
    Creative Computers advertisments, but no cables visible.
4573.6Multisync versus VGA?BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY beganFri Mar 08 1991 21:088
    Does FFV do the "scan doubling" trick (like A2320 and A3000)?  In other
    words, will a non-multisync VGA monitor work properly in every possible
    display mode, including the new ECS/V2.0 ones?

    I'm trying to decide whether to significantly favor multisync capability
    over a "better" fixed-rate VGA monitor at the same $$$.  Also, choices
    become severely limited if you want a multisync capable of handling rates
    down into the standard NTSC (15 KHz) range.
4573.7What about BLACK BELT SYSTEMS?RTPSWS::ZIMMERMANWe eat our dead.Thu Mar 14 1991 13:135
    What's the difference between an FFV and Black Belt Systems'
    HAM-E addon that plugs into the RGB port?  

    - Cliff
4573.8Entirely different functionsBOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY beganThu Mar 14 1991 15:2111
    FFV is a display "de-interlacer".  It merges the 2 interlaced fields of
    the normal video display into a single non-interlaced field output at
    higher scan rates.  Since the whole screen gets 'painted' twice as often,
    your eyes don't see any flicker.  This requires a multi-sync or VGA
    monitor capable of handling the doubled scan rates.
    
    HAM-E is a tricky way to get more colors by trading off half of the
    resolution.  As far as I know, it's still producing an interlaced
    display so the flicker effect is still visible.  Because the normal
    scan rates are maintained, this works with standard analog RGB (1084)
    monitors.
4573.9FFV with VGA monitorDECAUX::VNATIM::HELMUTShe's always a VAX to meFri Mar 15 1991 05:278
	I read in .-1 that a flickerfixer works with a multisync monitor
	as well as with a VGA monitor. Is this really true ? Does that
	mean that I can get a cheaper VGA monitor and need not buy an
	expensive multisync.

	Thanks
	Helmut 
4573.10VGA works ..ELWOOD::PETERSFri Mar 15 1991 14:257
    
    re .9
    
    	Yes, my brother uses a standard VGA monitor with a flicker fixer.
    
    		Steve P
    
4573.11VGA CompatibleTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersSat Mar 16 1991 21:225
Re: .9

I use a MicroWay FlickerFixer with a Zenith VGA monitor.  I talked
to the FlickerFixer designer, and one of his design goals was for
the FlickerFixer to be VGA compatible.
4573.12FF vs FFV vs A2320CIMNET::KYZIVATPaul KyzivatMon Aug 05 1991 23:587
Somewhere I remember reading a feature-by-feature comparison of the
FF vs FFV vs A2320, but I can no longer find it.  I don't think it was in
this conference - perhaps in some magazine I have lost.  Did anyone else
see this?  As I recall, there was some minor problem with the A2320.

	Paul
	
4573.13BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Where 'multimedia' REALLY beganTue Aug 06 1991 05:083
    The A2320 has (had?) a minor problem in which RGB values of 777 and 888
    both produced the same color display.  The cure was a simple resistor
    change, as I recall from discussions on USENET.
4573.14AmigaWorld, August 1991CRISTA::CAPRICCIOStuck in the H�2�WhoaTue Aug 06 1991 13:009
    Re: .12

� Somewhere I remember reading a feature-by-feature comparison of the
� FF vs FFV vs A2320, but I can no longer find it.  I don't think it was in
� this conference - perhaps in some magazine I have lost.  Did anyone else

    Check the August issue of AmigaWorld.

    Pete