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| 4545.1 | | POBOX::ANDREWS | I'm the NRA | Sat Feb 23 1991 15:36 | 16 |
| I've got it for use with Videoscape 3d. It act's kicd of like a lower
level CAD program. I like using it instead of the 3d view. (of
course, the mechanical drawing stuff I learned in school helps a lot)
It can load in sculpt objects, then save them in VS format or as plot
files for some sort of HP plotter.
I used it recently to create a model of my car. It only took me a few
hours (probably less than 6) I could not imagine trying to do something
that complex in sculpt or something similar.
You can create different objects in the different layers, and save
them, merge them together. If you have Videoscape running at the same
time, you can import them directly into VS without saveing the project
in between.
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| 4545.2 | Sounds good. | SHARE::DOYLE | | Mon Feb 25 1991 08:22 | 12 |
| Are the 3d objects made up triangles or rectangle/squares?
The reason I ask is some of the things I do, require wire-frameing.
Wire framing never looks that good (in my opinion) if it's triangular.
It looks cleaner when made up of squares.
Also, how is Video Scape 3d, I heard they came out with a nice overlay
program to allow easier manipulation of objects.
Thanks
Ed
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| 4545.3 | Do a Merge | BONKER::DUPRE | The Sherrif of Noting-ham | Mon Feb 25 1991 08:44 | 8 |
| < Note 4545.2 by SHARE::DOYLE >
Ed,
There is a round-about way of getting rectangles which is
basicaly to do a merge on two trianglular faces to make up one
rectangular face. I like Modeler3D generaly although it does take
some getting-used-to.
Jim
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| 4545.4 | What about Pro/Motion and Videoscape3D? | SHARE::DOYLE | | Wed Feb 27 1991 09:23 | 8 |
| Well, it should be here today, I'm thinking of getting Videoscape 3D and
Pro/Motion to go with it, do you have any input on these products? How do they
compare with Sculpt4d and Turbo... (I've heard that Videoscape is alot harder
to use without the Pro/Motion overlay).
The small blurb I saw on Pro Motion looked pretty good.
Ed
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| 4545.5 | | POBOX::ANDREWS | I'm the NRA | Wed Feb 27 1991 09:58 | 15 |
| Hi again Ed.
Both of these are good as long as you can think in that mindset.
(Numbers instead of pictures of the path) Promotion makes the process
much easier. Basicly, you place the different objects, draw the path
with the mouse, modify it to do any banks, turns, etc. and it will
calculate the numbers for videoscape to do the actual animation.
There are all kinds of ways you can modify the path of the animation,
adding wind, magnetism, have it smooth out the path instead of straight
lines, etc.
Like I said earlier, if you are comforable thinking in three
diminsions, and can convert that thinking into numbers, you will have
fewer problems than someone else.
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| 4545.6 | Like it alot. | SHARE::DOYLE | | Mon Mar 04 1991 08:56 | 22 |
| Hi
I recieved Modeler3D on friday, and I've been using it all weekend.
I even created a spaceship with it.
I definately think its more user friendly than Sculpt or Turbo.
It also has a nice preview mode thats quick on my A500 and Working with
layers is a real +++ in my opinion.
By using outline as a finnish on a polygon, I can get some Excelent
detail onto my object using lines for definition.
I just wish I could map a brush to it like in Turbo.
It's my new favorite, It doesn't have splines, or some of the other
fancier things, but it performs quickly and hasn't given me any unexpected
surprises.
I may have to get interchange next so I can swap back and forth (get the
best of three worlds).
I also had a chance to purchase VideoScape3D for $45 bucks, so I did :').
This came with a free coupon for Pro-Motion in the box!
So both registrations (including the coupon) went in the mail today!
Thanks for the reply's guys.
Ed
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| 4545.7 | Hoe to add detail polygons in Modeler | SHARE::DOYLE | | Tue Mar 19 1991 10:11 | 17 |
|
I've been using Modeler 3d for awhile now ( and I love it), but I
have a question for you 3D pro's out there.
On disk are two examples that intrigue me, the Lotus and the F15.
They both use some sort of detail polygon to do the wing flaps (F15),
and the details on the lotus.
How are these polygons achieved? They seem to consist of both solid
and dotted lines in the editing mode.
I've read through the manual, and haven't found anything on this.
The closest I've come is by having the polygons of the object defined
along the outside paremeters of the object.
I've also experimented with Outline, but haven't had much success.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ed
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| 4545.8 | Just got Pro/Motion! | SHARE::DOYLE | | Wed Mar 20 1991 08:18 | 12 |
| I just recieved PRO/Motion, from Aegis/Oxxi. The price was right, there was
a coupon in my VideoScape3D for it free!
Anyway I rendererd the example in videoscape3D and I must say, I was impressed
at the results.
If anyone wants, I'll upload the animation created with PRO/MOTION and
VIDEOSCAPE3D to the net.
I haven't had a chance to use it yet, I'm still familiarizing myself with the
manual.
It looks pretty good though. When I've used it a bit I'll post a review.
Ed
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| 4545.9 | | STAR::GUINEAU | but what was the question? | Wed Mar 20 1991 08:48 | 17 |
| > <<< Note 4545.8 by SHARE::DOYLE >>>
> -< Just got Pro/Motion! >-
>
> I just recieved PRO/Motion, from Aegis/Oxxi. The price was right, there was
> a coupon in my VideoScape3D for it free!
> Anyway I rendererd the example in videoscape3D and I must say, I was impressed
> at the results.
> If anyone wants, I'll upload the animation created with PRO/MOTION and
> VIDEOSCAPE3D to the net.
> I haven't had a chance to use it yet, I'm still familiarizing myself with the
> manual.
> It looks pretty good though. When I've used it a bit I'll post a review.
>
> Ed
>
>
sure, upload it!
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| 4545.10 | Fighter.lzh and Showanim on Tape:: | SHARE::DOYLE | | Thu Mar 21 1991 08:42 | 16 |
| I've uploaded "Fighter.lzh" and "Showanim" to tape::amiga:[upload].
A few notes about this file are required.
When unpacked, the file is over .5 meg large.
The scene was rendered in ham mode, (although it probably couldve been
rendered in 32 color mode as the objects involved don't take advantage of
the ham mode.)
I've run it easily on my machine, but I've got 5 megs. I be interested in
just how much memory is required to run it.
Also the animation is 99 frames long, with alot going on.
It's not as smooth as it could be, It could be rerendered in 350 frames for
smoothness, (as the manual suggests) but I still like it.
The format to use from the cli is.
Showanim -l fighter.anim
Ed
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| 4545.11 | CRC error on archive | WHAMMY::spodaryk | digging for fire | Thu Mar 21 1991 11:36 | 8 |
| Ed,
The archive fails it's CRC check right near the end of the extraction.
This happens on VMS as well as on the Amiga. You might want to take
a look and re-upload it again. Trying to showanim the corrupted file
guru'd my machine. (D*** the errors, full speed ahead)
Steve
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| 4545.12 | I'll recopy it tonight! | SHARE::DOYLE | | Thu Mar 21 1991 12:50 | 7 |
|
I'll have to recopy it tonight.
The orignal lzh file was corrupted also.
Sorry;
Ed
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| 4545.13 | New version | SHARE::DOYLE | | Fri Mar 22 1991 08:25 | 2 |
| Okay, I u/led a new version, it's okay, I tested it.
Ed
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| 4545.14 | Help needed with modeler 3d | SHARE::DOYLE | | Wed Jun 26 1991 09:24 | 21 |
| I'm having a definite problem useing M3D, I like the program alot, having
used first Design3d (YUCK), and Sculpt4djr (Nice).
However I like the interface to M3D much better.
(Perhaps I find it simpler.... ;')
My problem is when I try to add detail lines to an object.
I make an object, ex: flat square.
I then try to add an arrow to the middle of the flat square.
Makeing shure my polygons are selected properly, I'll then switch to preview
mode.
Unfortunately I find that my "arrow" isn't visible in all the angles you'd
expect.
Somebody must have ran into this, it must be possible, the example objects
on disk (F-18 and Lotus) use these "detail" lines and they look great.
Help:
Ed
P.S.(thanks)
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| 4545.15 | Still Looking...... | SHARE::DOYLE | | Mon Jul 01 1991 10:37 | 9 |
| I've gone through my manuals, and although I've found mention of
"Detail Polygons" in VS3D, I've not found anything that corresponds to
it in Modeler 3D.
The closest option offered is defining "Outline on a Polygon" from the
Polygon Color requestor, however this only seems to outline the polygon
leaving the interior of it blank.....
Ed
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| 4545.16 | | POBOX::ANDREWS | I'm the NRA | Wed Jul 03 1991 00:17 | 46 |
| Heres what I found on a bbs in Texas somewhere:
(Check out who it's from, pretty good authority huh?)
When I get back from Vacation, I'll upload a bunch of objects that I've
collected from various places.
Message #11 "VideoScape" (Read: 40)
Date: 23 May 91 05:26:28
From: Allen Hastings
To: Jim Steele <Received>
Subj: Re: VidScape3d
Hey, I used to make all kinds of objects with just a text editor,
and sometimes EGG and OCT. All the objects that come with VideoScape
were made with the old "Ed" text editor, including the Lotus and F-15.
The Apache helicopters from "Apocalypse Real Soon Now" and "Rush Hour"
were also made with Ed. The other "Rush Hour" objects, like the Golden
Gate Bridge and Lamborghini, were my first uses of Modeler 3D.
By the way, Modeler 3D does support detail polygons. The necessary
tools are in the "Polygon Info" requester. Basically, you select all
the detail polygons, then the parent polygon, then use the "Attach"
button in the Polygon Info requester. The "Promote" button can be used
to make detail polygons back into regular polygons.
Message #16 "VideoScape" (Read: 38)
Date: 3 Jun 91 04:39:60
From: Allen Hastings
To: Jim Steele <Received>
Subj: Re: VidScape3d
I agree that EGG comes in handy when using LightWave. I use it
fairly often in my own work (mostly for the random dot clouds, like the
explosion in the NewTek Penn & Teller tape). Todd also used it during
the making of "Change Myself".
To answer your question, I'm afraid I don't have any time to devote
to VideoScape any more, and it was so optimized for speed that it was
kind of a dead end as far as new rendering features were concerned. For
example, its clipping method prevented the possibility of adding texture
mapping. Also, its rendered RGB values are only calculated to 18 bits
and stored internally as 12 bits (after dithering), so VideoScape wouldn't
gain much from using the new graphics enhancing devices. In
LightWave, rendering calculations and storage are of course all done with at
least 24 bits of accuracy.
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| 4545.17 | Thankyou.... | SHARE::DOYLE | | Wed Jul 03 1991 08:58 | 7 |
| A million thanx!!!!!!
It answers a 2 questions I had, one was the detail polygon question,
the other was how to attach a logo transformed with SATools onto an
object.
Now I can't wait to go home and check it out!
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| 4545.18 | a bunch of objects!! | POBOX::ANDREWS | I'm the NRA | Fri Jul 19 1991 16:17 | 122 |
| Hi, I uploaded several files to tape::
They are
HASTINGS.LZH, MISC.LZH., OBEJCTS1.LZH
They are all vs3d objects I have gotten from various BBS's.
(except for 1984Shelby, I created that one of my car)
Sorry about the organization, It was the only way I could get them all
here.
Rob
HASTINGS.LZH;1 102
15235 58293 26.1% 5ee7 Jun 30 21:56 1991 AH64Body
1612 5795 27.8% 6dc0 Jun 30 21:56 1991 AH64Rotor
8308 24825 33.4% c50e Jun 30 21:56 1991 AratiBuilding
3714 13065 28.4% cec1 Jun 30 21:56 1991 AratiLot
4226 16269 25.9% 4f52 Jun 30 21:56 1991 Graveyard
4411 17228 25.6% 6a1d Jun 30 21:56 1991 HauntedHouse
273 672 40.6% 5ae6 Jun 30 21:57 1991 LeftTurn.Sign
7736 87621 8.8% c3ac Jun 30 21:57 1991 newlotus
3668 11666 31.4% 5ca4 Jun 30 21:57 1991 Pumpkin
1560 3435 45.4% 35e5 Jun 30 21:57 1991 readme
273 672 40.6% eceb Jun 30 21:57 1991 RightTurn.Sign
483 1680 28.7% ab4a Jun 30 21:57 1991 StopSign
176 349 50.4% d9f4 Jun 30 22:00 1991 StudioAmiga
MISCOBJ.LZH;1 385
282 423 66.6% d5cc Jun 25 11:16 1990 Afterthought89.JP
6074 13022 46.6% 265a Jun 25 11:16 1990 Objectsmanual
256 408 62.7% 9bdb Jun 25 11:25 1990 ObjectsManual.info
95 135 70.3% b5d8 Jun 25 11:18 1990 ReadMeFirst!JP
141 218 64.6% 73d2 Jun 25 11:19 1990 ReadMeNext!JP
176 349 50.4% d9f4 May 26 14:35 1991 StudioAmiga
3323 8558 38.8% 382d Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Buildings]Bridge
12880 30898 41.6% 017e Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Buildings]City
16874 37566 44.9% 9cc7 Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Buildings]Dream_Home
1366 3438 39.7% 4d00 Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Buildings]House
356 622 57.2% ebc9 Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Buildings]Pinetree
4125 8130 50.7% af7d Jul 2 22:18 1991 [.Buildings]Room
20988 45418 46.2% 8929 Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Cars]18Wheeler
2938 6286 46.7% 4ce9 Jul 10 22:02 1991 [.Cars]1984Shelby
6537 10358 63.1% 6f56 Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Cars]KCar
5843 12798 45.6% 2c7b Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Cars]RedLotus
5077 10850 46.7% 892d Jul 10 22:08 1991 [.Cars]Testarosa
13633 27234 50.0% 11cc Jun 17 21:34 1991 [.Cars]VWBug
9115 17364 52.4% 2e1d Jul 10 22:38 1991 [.Planes]BiPlane
2852 5996 47.5% 146d Jul 10 22:40 1991 [.Planes]F15
1866 3718 50.1% b0ab Jul 10 22:41 1991 [.Planes]F4e
1617 2518 64.2% ef62 Jul 10 22:43 1991 [.Planes]HangGlider
10873 21418 50.7% 86a5 Jul 10 22:45 1991 [.Planes]TriPlane
6067 10006 60.6% b1b9 Jul 10 22:58 1991 [.Space]Sattelite
32010 52418 61.0% 47f8 Jul 11 19:35 1991 [.Space]Shuttle_Plane
4343 10006 43.4% 78f4 Jul 11 19:38 1991 [.Space]SpaceShip
9940 23378 42.5% 84a3 Jul 11 19:41 1991 [.Space]SpaceShuttle
5791 7206 80.3% 00ac Jul 10 22:57 1991 [.Space]StarField
1088 2626 41.4% 4e4e Jul 10 22:58 1991 [.Space]TronRecognizer
9303 19738 47.1% 0300 May 26 14:33 1991 [.Space.StarWars]VaderTieFighter
OBJECTS1.LZH;1 783
2133 3966 53.7% 8e50 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.2001]2001Clipper
2148 3966 54.1% c410 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.2001]2001Clipper.S
6686 13470 49.6% 956f Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.2001]2001SpaceWheel
6698 13470 49.7% 70dc Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.2001]2001SpaceWheel.S
2655 5038 52.6% cf77 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.50s'SpaceShips]ForbiddenPlanet
2690 5038 53.3% 66da Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.50s'SpaceShips]ForbiddenPlanet.S
5334 10634 50.1% 87f4 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.50s'SpaceShips]GenericShip
5348 10634 50.2% c1ac Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.50s'SpaceShips]GenericShip.S
282 423 66.6% d5cc Jun 25 11:16 1990 Afterthought89.JP
13220 29586 44.6% 1838 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.Dr.WHO]Tardis.Complex
6318 14730 42.8% bddd Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.Dr.WHO]Tardis.Simple
4993 11334 44.0% 5db6 Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.Dr.WHO]Tardis.Simplest
2030 3964 51.2% 0969 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]350mphsign
2600 5958 43.6% 6fe2 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]BigStoplight
623 1098 56.7% c6f4 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]LightPost
1348 2478 54.3% 0ade Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]No55sign
1460 2672 54.6% 5e60 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]NoIBMsign
1365 2600 52.5% 9001 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]OneWaysign
1410 2612 53.9% ae22 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]OneWayUpsign
1940 4138 46.8% 6147 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.Misc]PhoneBooth
2013 4406 45.6% 3551 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.Misc]PhoneBoothwithGlass
916 1918 47.7% 1a84 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]PostOfficeMailbox
511 970 52.6% 9ed9 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]SmallMailbox
1326 2910 45.5% 23da Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]Stoplight
1002 1874 53.4% 13e8 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.Misc]Stopsign
1168 2370 49.2% e339 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.Misc]Trashbin
491 846 58.0% a372 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.Misc]Trashcan
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1201 2254 53.2% 0c80 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.Misc]Yieldsign
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141 218 64.6% 73d2 Jun 25 11:19 1990 ReadMeNext!JP
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1310 2838 46.1% c73e Jun 25 11:19 1990 [.Space1999]UtilityPod
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2679 5448 49.1% e141 Jun 25 11:17 1990 [.StarTrek]RomulanShip.S
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7516 13808 54.4% 6bec Jun 25 11:18 1990 [.StarTrek]SpaceStationK7.S
9412 17248 54.5% 67e4 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.StarWars]DeathStar
9413 17248 54.5% 4ea0 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.StarWars]DeathStar.S
9303 19738 47.1% 0300 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.StarWars]Tiefighter
9317 19738 47.2% c2bc Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.StarWars]Tiefighter.S
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14796 27474 53.8% 6b24 Jun 25 11:16 1990 [.StarWars]X-Wing.Complex.S
176 349 50.4% d9f4 May 26 14:35 1991 StudioAmiga
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| 4545.19 | THANKS | SHARE::DOYLE | | Mon Jul 22 1991 08:59 | 3 |
| THANX ROB!
ED
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