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       Great!
       
       Now maybe us Canadians will be given due consideration relative to
       trade-up/in deals.
       
       Think he'll go for taking my 1000 + $500 as a trade for a 3000???
       
       Art
       
       

    or maybe the US will start getting the same policies that Canada
    has had.
    
    Dave

       Dave, if your comment was 'tongue in cheek' then I guess US buyers
       will have something to moan about.  Commodores contribution to the
       Free Trade agreement.  "We will treat US buyers no different then
       we treat Canadian buyers."
       
       If it was serious, then I have to ask - What policies??
       
       Other than us getting first crack at the Sidecar (and I'm not sure
       that that wasn't because they couldn't sell them in the US due to
       poor FCC performance) Commodores offers have been virtually
       limited to free software with the purchase.  Fine if you are a new
       buyer, but for us old timers with 1000's who have more software
       titles then we know what to do with, it's not much of an
       incentive.
       
       Art
       

    Art,
    
    My view from the US side is that Canada was treated a lot like Europe
    in terms of policies.  The US policies changed every time Irving Gould
    picked a new president, which I assume was his way of trying to get the
    expertise needed to revive the US market.
    
    Since Copperman was promoted, I assume that means he has succeeded in
    reviving the market.  So I figure that Irving is looking to either treat
    the US market the same as Canada, or start implementing the policies that
    were successful in the US on a North American basis.  Since Copperman's
    new job is to do multimedia strategies, I'm hoping it's the second 
    category.
    
    The implementation will probably be a combination of the two.  It's
    expensive to offer trade-in programs, I wonder what kind of result they
    got from that.  After all, they did it 3 times (twice for the A1000,
    and once for "bring in any computer").
    
    The software bundles don't appear to have really done anything in the 
    US to push the A500.  Maybe that was due to a lack of advertising.
    Or maybe it did succeed, but I just didn't notice it.
    
    Dave

Well, I did take advantage of the trade-in- the second time. For me, it was a
matter of cutting my losses. The trade-in offered the "least loss" in getting
into a 2000. I took advantage of the opportunity to get all the monetary pain
over with at once, and got a 2000HD. Mmmmmmm, how sweet it is!

The real cutting edge was the decision to officially "obsolete" the 1000, i.e.
with regard to OS support and so forth. Of course, as soon as I got the 2000,
out they come with the 3000UX and other neat goodies- but that's OK. At least
now I'm "expandable" rather than "expendable."

I took the tradein on the 1000 -> 2000 for the same reason: avoiding
OS obsolescense. All I did was swap cpu boxes, and move my HD's & memory
cards inside the 2000 (and later sold the 2000 to fund a 3000).

Just this week, I've seen statements from CBM that "We're going to start
shipping 2000s and 500s with 2.0 in ROM soon, and will do something about
1000s later."  So maybe I traded in for the wrong reasons, but with the
3000 CBM finally designed a machine I think is worth buying, so I'm not
all that upset.

	<mike

        The local shop down here has a stack of 1000s without keyboards
        and are selling them as is for $199.
        
        Concerning the bundling of software with the 500 - it's tough to
        sell a $500 machine when in the same store you can buy an Atari
        512 STfm with a software bundle for $299 (was $279 before
        Christmas).
        
        Bob

    re: .7
    
    where is "down here"?
    
    I still have my A1000, I did the "buy-back" because it was a cheap 
    computer that was 100% compatible with my existing software :-)  
    That A2000 compatibility with my software was unknown, other than it 
    wouldn't run 1.1 only software since the was no way to load the kickstart.
    
    re: $299  nice price, "but is it pc compatible?" :-) :-)
    Somebody has to provide an alternative to the clones for when the 
    Nintendo crowd decides to move up.  $299 may be the right price
    to do that.  $500 may be to high.  But then again, I've run
    into people firmly convinced that they needed to spend $3000
    buying a personal computer.  Maybe the personal computer market
    really will start to look like the automobile market.  Lots of 
    "low mileage" used computers, and low-cost new models built
    to a price.  With a high end of "power user" systems, etc.
    
    All doing multimedia desktop whatever stuff :-)
    
    Dave
    

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�    where is "down here"?

        Phoenix, AZ.  The store is -
        
                                Computer Works
                                4337 W. Bethany Home Rd.
                                (602) 246-6364
        
        You know, down here, where Fred Fish lives and works.
        
        Bob