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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4368.0. "A500 and PC Compatibility" by ULTRA::KINDEL (Bill Kindel @ LTN1) Tue Dec 18 1990 11:25

    At last there are some options for A500 owners who want/need to run
    MS-DOS software!  At this writing, I know of four solutions that
    provide varying degrees of PC compatibility.  In the interest of
    providing "one stop shopping", I'm entering this note to host a
    discussion of the relative merits of each (and any others not yet
    listed).
    
    1.	The (unsupported) "Transformer" software emulation from Commodore.
    
    2.	Bodega Bay expansion chassis with Amiga 2000 BridgeBoard.
    
    3.	KCS Power PC Board (replaces A501 memory expansion/clock)
    
    4.	ATonce "daughter-board" (replaces M68000 chip)
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4368.2saw AT One last nightSALEM::LEIMBERGERWed Dec 19 1990 05:4910
    I SAW MY FIRST "AT ONE" YESTERDAY. They were finishing the installation 
    just as I walked into the dealers. Steve went thru several menus of
    commands to configure the system. After all was set up he rebooted the
    system,(AT one)and it came up asking for your dos boot disk in
    drive"a". Of course none had an AT boot disk so the story is to be
    continued. From what I saw it looks promising. You configure it for 
    640k,and the rest of the meg on the five hundred can be expanded, or
    extended dos memory. This will meet the needes of those that like the
    amiga but think they need IBM compatability.
    								bill
4368.3DICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsWed Dec 19 1990 10:121
    System Eyes has'em in stock? How much (and don't tell me LIST).
4368.4DICKNS::MACDONALDVAXELN - Realtime Software PubsWed Dec 19 1990 15:023
    
    Mem Location has'em in stock for $380. Don confirmed that they only
    work on A500's. There is an A2000 coming in January.
4368.1Amiga TransformerULTRA::KINDELBill Kindel @ LTN1Wed Dec 19 1990 15:5845
    History:	Commodore released the Transformer to run on the A1000 and
    		AmigaDOS V1.1 in advance of the promised "SideCar".
    
    CPU:	The Transformer does software emulation of basic 8086-based
    		PC.  It provides about half the performance of the PC-XT,
    		which isn't anything to write home about.
    
    Screen:	Although the preferences program allows specification of
    		color screen support, that feature was never implemented.
    		Only the basic monochrome interface is emulated.
    
    Keyboard:	The IBM standard keyboard is emulated.  There are a few
    		differences between the A500 key front legends and the
    		Transformer key map, but these are inconsequential.
    
    Disks:	DF0 through DF3 may be configured as drives A through D.
    		No hard disk support is provided.
    
    Printer:	The Transformer is unable to use the parallel port on
    		AmigaDOS V1.3 and later (major enhancements were made in
    		1.3 that were incompatible with the Transformer's usage).
    		My solution has been to use a public domain MS-DOS utility
    		to capture printed output on a diskette file.  From the
    		AmigaDOS side, I then COPY DI0:filename to PAR: using
    		CrossDOS to provide access to the MS-DOS file.
    
    Async I/O:	I haven't attempted to address the (asynchronous) RS232
    		port.  Given the above, I have no expectations.
    
    Operation:	After using the ATprefs program to establish configuration
    		preferences, either double-click the Transformer icon or
    		boot the A500 from [a copy of] the distribution disk.  The
    		Transformer will display its current configuration and tell
    		the user to insert the MS-DOS boot disk (in DF0:) and press
    		RETURN to continue or to press ESCAPE to revert to AmigaDOS.
    		Once the Tranformer starts to boot MS-DOS, it takes full
    		control of the A500, which must then be rebooted to return
    		to AmigaDOS.
    
    Publisher:	Commodore-Amiga Inc.
    		This program is no longer supported or available for sale.
    		It was once packaged with the Amiga 5�" diskette drive and
    		downloadable objects of both the original and a patched
    		version that supports M68010 systems are available on some
    		bulletin boards.
4368.5ATonce by VortexULTRA::KINDELBill Kindel @ LTN1Tue Jan 01 1991 23:1055
    I splurged this weekend and bought the ATonce board to give my A500
    PC-AT compatibility (a necessary evil).
    
    Overview:	ATonce is a German product, which replaces the 68000 with
    		a daughterboard containing low-power 68000 and 80286 CPUs,
    		a Gate Array, and assorted "glue" components.  It also has
    		an AmigaDOS software disk and an MS-DOS utilities disk.
    		The list price is $400, but ATonce can be had at a discount.
    
    CPU:	ATonce includes an 80286 that executes at the A500's 7.2 MHz
    		clock speed.  It claims a rating of 6.1 on the Norton SI
    		test.  (My own observation is that it's a heck of a lot
    		swifter and more complete than the Transformer software
    		emulation, but that's not a very scientific measurement. 8^)
    
    Screen:	ATonce provides CGA, Olivetti/Toshiba 3100 (V400), and
    		Hercules (MDA) emulation with up to 4 bit planes (16 colors).
    		The Amiga custom chips are used to advantage.
    
    Keyboard:	The IBM standard keyboard is emulated.  The A500 key front
    		legends seem to apply.
    
    Disks:	Drives "A" and "B" may be configured as 40-track (320KB) or
    		80-track (720KB) diskettes.  Drives "C" through "Z" may be
    		hard disk partitions or designated files in the Amiga file
    		system.  The minimum usable hard disk partition/file is 5MB.
    
    Printer:	The parallel port is LPT1.
    
    Async I/O:	By default, the Amiga mouse appears as a Microsoft mouse on
    		COM1 and the Amiga RS232 port appears as COM2.
    
    Memory:	A 1MB A500 can emulate a 640KB PC-AT.  Any additional fast
    		memory can be configured as "Extended"/"Expanded" AT memory.
    		(Aren't you glad the M68000 architecture doesn't force us
    		into this kind of hackery?  The Amiga's CHIP/FAST memory
    		considerations are straight-forward by comparison. 8^)
    
    Operation:	After using the Install program to configure the emulated
    		AT, double-clicking the ATonce icon (in the same drawer)
    		causes loading of the software part of the product.  Its
    		memory management immediately reboots the Amiga with the
    		cold-capture and cool-capture vectors set.  ATonce opens
    		a screen over the workbench, checks its memory for errors,
    		and requests its MS-DOS boot diskette (unless configured
    		to boot from hard disk partition "C").  Since the Amiga
    		workbench is still booting, one should wait until the DF0:
    		drive light goes out before inserting the MS-DOS diskette.
    
    Comments:	ATonce will support both the Fat Agnus (512KB) and the
    		"Big Fat Agnus" (1MB).  ATonce uses LOTS of CHIP RAM as it
    		attempts CGA emulation.  This limits the amount of multi-
    		tasking that even a memory-rich A500 can do.  In any event,
    		ATonce meets my need for decent PC compatibility without
    		forcing me to buy a separate machine to get it.