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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4352.0. "Beginner needs help." by WARHED::PATTERSON () Wed Dec 12 1990 14:20

    Hi All,
    
          I have just bought an AMIGA and I have a vt240 and RACAL 2400
    baud modem at home.
    
          I have already worked out how to use the vr241 as a monitor for
    both Amiga and Terminal, but what I want to know is how to get the
    AMIGA stuff off the VAX. 
    
          Do I need any more Hardware/software or just a bigger brain ??
    
    Regards,
    
           Colin.                       
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4352.1KALI::VISSERWed Dec 12 1990 14:4710
    A bigger brain.
    
    Only kidding.  Do you know how to use Notes?  Learn the directory and
    search commands, and look for download and terminal emulator type
    stuff.
    
    Also, someone here's got a beginners disk with a lot of good stuff you
    might want to get.
    
    John
4352.2Search Search SearchGIDDAY::MORANI'm not bad-I'm just drawn that way!Wed Dec 12 1990 16:5123
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Not a bigger brain - just a 68040.
    
    
    
     - or try "download" or just "dl".  This will list the notes that other
    starting people have written with exactly the same question that you
    ask.
    
    After reading through the 50,000 notes that are on the subject and you
    still are unsure ask again and people are sure to help.
    
    Good luck. Shaun.
    
    
4352.3These things are made to try us!GIDDAY::MORANI'm not bad-I'm just drawn that way!Wed Dec 12 1990 16:5412
    
    Oops -
    
    wither notes or myself is brain dead (probably me) the first real line
    of my reply should be :
    
    Try DIR/TITLE="d/l"
    
    and then try "download" or "dl".
    
    Sorry Shaun.
    
4352.4Help OfferedHAMPS::EASTEd Svcs Support Manager for EIS/ENG/EICWed Dec 12 1990 17:159
    Colin,
    	Where are you?  If you are in the U.K. I have a starter disk with 
    everything you need. (WITH DUE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO OUR GOOD FRIEND, 
    ED ACCIARDI)  Send me a floppy disk and I will copy for you.  I work from 
    home but can be reached by internal mail @RKA
    
                      Regards,
    				David
    
4352.5PEEVAX::GIFFORDMy dunny was kicked down by chooks!Wed Dec 12 1990 19:4715
As a suggestion....

Can this disk be warped up to tape,wjg or norse

Then people arond the world can be a distribution point.

I will happily provide the diskette to anyone in Australia...

All I ask is for a diskette in exchange.

Can the introduction note reflect this, so we don't get as many..

'I wunt to download' queries.

Stan.
4352.6Me too!!!!GIDDAY::MORANI'm not bad-I'm just drawn that way!Thu Dec 13 1990 01:057
    
    I too would like a warped copy of this disk uploaded.
    
    Unfortunately I don't have a copy to upload so who would like to do the
    honor?????
    
    Shaun.
4352.7VT240 as a monitor...FILTON::FENTON_RPotassium Ethoxide Rules C2H5OOKThu Dec 13 1990 11:125
    You know how to use the VT240 as a monitor... has it got RGB out the
    back, or a funny DEC thing?
    
    -Rog
    
4352.8CRISTA::CAPRICCIOBlind as a cave shrimpThu Dec 13 1990 12:018
�    You know how to use the VT240 as a monitor... has it got RGB out the
�    back, or a funny DEC thing?

    The "monitor" portion (VR241) has got two sets of BNC connectors for
    RGB and external sync. See notes 550.* (among others) for a good
    discussion about cabling.

    Pete (who's currently using a VR241 'cause he's too cheap to buy his own!)
4352.9VR - 241BAHTAT::FORCE4::hiltonHow's it going royal ugly dudes?Thu Dec 13 1990 12:0310
Rog,

He means VR-241.

It's got BNC connectors on t'back.

A couple of notes in here on wiring etc. A very nice monitor for next to nowt!!


Greg
4352.10Hopefully helpful... MLRTYM::TERELLAMike Terella , CAD/CAM Technology CenterThu Dec 13 1990 13:05443
	I really do agree with earlier comments about learning to use the notes
	file to your advantage, but I also appreciate the fact that this file
	is almost to the point of being unnavigable.  A while back I put this
	info together for a few folks in my group who were also "beginners".
	Hope it helps...

						Mike

	PS,  It's a bit long, so you may want to extract and print it out.



===============================================================================



		 VAX-Amiga				        M. Terella
				    				ALLVAX::TERELLA


		This document is intended to help you make the connection 
	between your Amiga at home and your VAX at work.  It also provides you 
	with the information you will need to to load PD (Public Domain) 
	Software into your VAX account and transfer (download) it to your 
	Amiga.  It assumes user knowledge of modem operations.

		This document is also intended to help you gain a basic level 
	understanding about what PD software is, and where you can get it.

		There are many different ways of transferring data from VAX's 
	to PC's.  This document does not cover all the variations of terminal 
	emulators (e.g. HandShake, VLT, VT100 etc.) nor all the variations of 
	file transfer protocols, (e.g. Kermit, Xmodem, Ymodem, Zmodem).  It 
	concentrates mainly on the use of "HandShake" for terminal emulation
	using the Ymodem file transfer protocol.  

		Finally, I have used several cutouts from notes obtained from 
	the Amiga notes conference (BOMBE::AMIGA), which has proven invaluable 
	for gaining information.  

		Contents of this document include:


			I	What and Where's the data?
			II	How to prepare the data.
			III	How to connect.
			IV	How to download the data.	
			V	What to do with it now that you've got it!




	

	I  	What and Where's the data?


		Public Domain (PD) software comes in a couple basic flavors.  
	First there's "Freeware".  This is software which may or may not be 
	copyrighted, often times includes source code, and generally allows
	free distribution/modification etc.  

		"Shareware" is very much like Freeware, only it's not (quit) 
	free, is (always?) copyrighted, and usually doesn't include source 
	code.  Based on the "try before you buy" concept, if you use it, you 
	are obligated (morally) to send a contribution to the author, hopefully 
	to stimulate his/her interest in future development.  Registration
	usually entitles users get copies/notifications of new releases sooner
	than the rest of the population.  

		Regardless of type, PD software usually comes with some type 
	of documentation, stating terms and/or conditions for distribution.

	There are many locations within DEC where Amiga PD software can be 
	found, however, the five primary locations are as follows;

	NODE:		LOC:			GROUP:

	CGOU01 	CGO Calgary Alberta, Canada 	Branch/West Canada Dist Office
	CRISTA  NUO Nashua N.H.			CSS/Business Operations
	DICKNS 	PKO Maynard, MA 		Parker Street Facility 
	TAPE 	NKS Marlboro, MA 		Engineering
	WJG   	NKS Marlboro, MA 		Engineering 	

		By far and away the largest collection of PD S/W is on TAPE,
	with hundreds of listings including the complete (400 +) disk Fred 
	Fish collection (There's also a nice catalog utility, "Aquarium" for 
	discovering what's available in the Fish collection). In addition 
	there is an "UPLOAD" directory on TAPE 	with the "latest" releases.

		You can get a listing of what is available on the system with 
	the following commands.  Add the /output=filename switch if you want 
	to keep the listing(s) around for reference.  To get a complete list;

	For NODE:	Type:

	TAPE 		dir TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA...] and dir TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]
	WJG    		dir WJG::DUA1:[AMIGA...]
	DICKNS  	dir DICKNS::USER:[MACDONALD.AMIGA...]*
	CGOU01 		dir CGOU01::AMIGA:[*...]
	CRISTA		dir CRISTA::AMIGA::*

		Once you have decided what you want, use copy or FTSV to 
	transfer the the file(s) into your account.  If you used the VAX
	Start-up kit I provided, you have a [.AMIGA.DOWNLOAD] sub-directory.  
	I suggest you copy the files into this account, and transfer them into 
	the  [..UPLOAD] directory after you have transferred the data to your 
	Amiga. 	It's a little easier to keep track of what's loaded or
	not loaded this way.



	II	How to prepare the data.


		Most of the available software files, be they executable,
	source code, image, sound files etc. are stored/loaded into one of a
	number of archive formats.  These archives generally contain multiple 
	files in binary compressed form, and must be "unarchived" to be used.

	Here's a list of commonly used file types and which programs you need 
	to pack/unpack them...
    
	File archivers - can be unloaded into any directory on any disk;

	        File Ext. 	Archiver Program	VAX Version
	        ---------    	----------------	------------
		.ARC      	ARC 			yes
           	.ZOO      	ZOO 			yes
		.LZH      	LHARC 			yes
           	.ZIP      	PKAZIP 			no 
    

	Disk archivers - must be unpacked onto blank (unformatted) floppy, 
	producing exact duplicate of original disk, including boot block, etc.;

	        File Ext. 	Archiver Program	
	        ---------    	----------------
		.WRP      	WARP, UNWARP
           	.LHW      	LHWARP

		Once an archived file has been copied into your account, it 
	can be looked at, "unarced", and even re-packed on the VAX, but only
	if it exists in the correct format for the archivers to handle.  The 
	VMS versions of ARC LHARC, and ZOO, as well as Xmodem and Ymodem, 
	require the record format to be Stream_LF  (as opposed to Variable 
	or Fixed length records).

		This can be checked for in a couple of ways.  You can use the
	dir/full command to see the record format, or you can try "listing"
	the archive with the appropriate tool.  If the archive 	program returns 
	an error message indicating  "bad or unknown header" info, chances are 
	the record format is incorrect.

		Note: To list the contents of an archive file type 

			ARC l filename (for .ARC files) or
			LHARC l filename (for .LZH files) or
			ZOO l filename (for .ZOO files)


	If the record format is not correct, you must change it using the
	CVTARC program on your system.

		Usage: CVTARC {uv} <from file> [<to file>]
			Where:   u   = convert to STREAM_LF
			         V   = convert to fixed length records

	Example (converts a FIXed formatted file to Stream_LF for Ymodem
	transfer):

		      	CVTARC u HANDSHAKE.ZOO 





	III 	How to connect with the VAX (via HandShake)

		
	Set up:

		- Your modem should be connected to the serial port of the 
		  Amiga. 

		- Use Preferences to set the characteristics of serial port.
		  Note that you can set baud rate at a speed different
		  than the modem speed.  If you have a serial printer (LA50
		  or LA75), set the baud rate at the highest setting usable
		  by the printer (2400 and 4800 respectively?).  Bit count,
		  parity and stop bit settings however should all match. 
		  (Set everything for 8 bit, no parity, one stop bit and you'll 
		  be fine.)

		- If your planning on downloading information, have a formatted
		  labeled blank disk ready to use.  (Format a disk by putting 
		  it in a drive, clicking on it once, and selecting the 
		  "Initialize" option on WB's "Disk" pull down menu.  Then 
		  use "Rename" to  label it.)

		- Invoke HandShake by double clicking on HandShake icon and
		  check settings via the SETUP and TERMINAL pull down menus.  
		  Note that baud rate here must match modem speed (2400 for 
		  Scholar). All other settings should agree with Preferences.



	Contact: 

	1.  Once in HandShake, use normal dialing procedure for your modem
	    (^B, the #, etc....).  Regular Scholar modems can't take advantage
	    of HandShake's dialing features.  The new Scholar Plus can, but you
	    must reset it to do so. (See Scholar manual, it's not that tough)
	    
	    If your dialing direct (not through TSN), when a connection been 
	    established, press return a few times to get the attention of the 
	    LAT.  When the # sign appears enter the password to get the Local> 
	    prompt.  When you get the this prompt type:
	    
	        Local> SET PORT LOCAL SWITCH ^A

	    Note ^A translates to Ctrl-A, this will let you get back to the 
	    LAT after logging into the system, as there is no "Break" key on 
	    the Amiga.
    
      NOTE: If you are intending to download files to your Amiga, then steps
	    2 and 3, although not absolutely necessary, may help ensure good
	    results. 

	2.  Log into your account on the system, then type Ctrl-A. This will 
	    bring you back into the Local> prompt.  Type:

		         Local> SET SESSION PASSALL
		         Local> FORWARD
    
	    This allows all characters to be passed through the server.  If
    	    you do not do this, some control characters may not be passed 
	    through and binary file transfers may fail, though to be honest,
	    I've never had a problem omitting this step.
    
	3.  After resuming your session, type the following commands:

	         $ SET TERMINAL/EIGHTBIT/NOBROADCAST	 
				or
	         $ SET TERMINAL/NOBROADCAST   (if term setting is already set at
				               eightbit. Use "show term" to see)

    	    This sets your terminal port to 8 bits necessary for Xmodem
	    and prevents the system from sending any messages to your 
	    terminal during the download which would ruin it.




	IV	How to download the data.	


	4.  Once logged in, to send binary file(s) from the VAX to your Amiga,
	    enter the appropriate VMS command as follows:

		- To send a single binary file use:

			$ XMODEM/SEND=BINARY/ONEK FILENAME.EXT  

			    	(or, using the symbols provided)

			$ YSEND FILENAME.EXT

		- To send a multiple binary files use:

			$ XMODEM/SEND=BINARY/ONEK/YMODEM *.EXT  

			    	(or, using the symbols provided)

			$ YSENDB FILENAME.EXT,FILENAME.EXT,FILENAME.EXT
			  (you can also use "*" as a wildcard)

	    	(If you don't like these symbols you can invent your own and 
		put it in AMIGA.COM  See Appendix A for a list of all VMS 
		commands/symbols/logicals provided in the Startup kit and an 
		IMPORTANT note on device names)


	   Xmodem will issue a ready message if it finds the file(s) and is
	   ready to transmit.


	5.  Next, to receive this file on the Amiga (within Handshake) use the
	    pull down "TRANSFER" menu to verify/select the appropriate protocol:

		-  To receive a single binary file select the YMODEM option 
		   within the "BINARY PROTOCOL" menu item (this should be the 
		   default).  

	     	-  To receive multiple binary files select the YMODEM BATCH
		   option from within the "BINARY PROTOCOL" menu item.


	6.  Then (using the TRANSFER menu) select the "RECEIVE BINARY FILE" 
	    option, or just type "Right-Amiga R" instead of using the menu.

	    At this point Handshake will display one of two file requester
	    boxes (selectable from the set up menu).  The "simple" file 
	    requester is self contained (in Handshake).  The ARP requester
	    is a scrolling box type.  The ARP requester is easier to use,
	    however, it requires the ARP.library file be resident in your 
	    libs: directory. 


	7.  When the file requester appears, enter the following:

		-  If receiving a single file, enter a full filespec
		   including Volume:Directory/Sub-directory/Filename
	 
		    EX.  To receive the archive file for Handshake and
			 place it in the "Utilities" drawer of a disk
			 Labeled Extras_II, you would enter	 
			
			   Extras_II:Utilities/Handshake.zoo	    

		-  When doing a batch transfer, you specify only the path.
		   The protocol sends the filename.
	 
		    EX.  To receive a group of .ARC files and place
			 them in place it in the "Games" sub-directory of 
			 a disk Labeled New_Programs, you would enter	 
			
				   New_Programs:Games

	Hitting the Return key will then initiate the transfer.  A progress
	box will appear so you can watch the bits go by, and the errors get
	caught.  Don't worry too much about error counts.  The only time a 
	receive gets aborted is when too many (10) errors are detected on 
	the same block of information.  If this happens, it may mean that
	the file was not of the correct record format (use CVTARC and try 
	again) or you chose the wrong protocol (selected RECEIVE TEXT instead
	of RECEIVE BINARY) or something like that. Errors occurring as a result
	of the transmission (noisy lines etc.) normally are detected and 
	corrected.

	When complete, Handshake will beep and Xmodem will display a 
	"Transmit Successful" message.  At this time you will get the DCL
	prompt back.  During the transfer, your "terminal" is tied up. (Don't 
	forget however you have a multi-tasking machine here.  You should be 
	able to "click" handshake to the background, and fire up another task!)
    

	8.  When your finished, (after logging out) select the "HANGUP" option 
	    from the "PHONE" menu.  



	V	What to do with it now that you've got it!


		To make use of the archive files, you must "unarc" them.  There
	are two ways of doing this with the utilities you have. Through the CLI,
	or through some file manipulation utilities such as SID. The easiest
	way is to use SID.  

	SID:		Select the Device gadget for the drive in which
	you've placed disk with  the archive files (DF0, DF1 etc.).  Then, in
	the main window, select the sub-directory (if applicable) and finally
	the archive file itself. Double clicking on the filename will list the 
	contents of the archive. To "unarc it, highlight the file (single click)
	and click the "UNARC" gadget.  SID will determine which archive utility
	to use. SID's pointer will "sleep" while un-archiving.  

	Note: If the unarc process seems to be taking too long, it could be
	stuck.  Handshake spawns a task to unarc. Some of the archive utilities
	will stop and ask a question occasionally, like "file xxx exists,
	over-write - Y or N" The application will then wait for an answer.
	If this happens, you should be able to push SID's window to the back
	and reveal the task window and answer the question to continue the job.
	

	CLI:		The second way to unarc a file is directly through 
	the command line.  Open a SHELL window.  Set default to the location 
	of the archive file.  From our first example, you'd type...

		> cd Extras_II:Utilities	    

	(type dir to see what's there in case you forgot the filename. In this
	  case we'll assume it Handshake.zoo)


	To unarchive, simply type..
	
		> Zoo -e Handshake.zoo



	To get help on any of the archive utilities on the Amiga, just 
	enter the archive name (ARC,ZOO,LHARC) with no argument.

	I'd recommend you give this a try just to get familiar with the 
	different commands.

				Have fun!

								M. Terella 

	

 
			Appendix A - Amiga Logicals


	NOTE:  IF YOU HAVE CHANGED SYSTEMS SINCE INSTALLING THE AMIGA
	       INSTALLATION KIT, BE SURE TO EDIT YOUR AMIGA.COM FILE
	       TO SPECIFY YOUR NEW DISK DEVICE NAME (DISK$YOURDEVICE).


	If you used the installation kit I provided, you should have the
	following logicals and commands pre-defined for your convenience:

	Logicals; (for SET DEF or COPY commands)
	     
		amiga   = YOURDISKDEVICE:[YOURACCOUNT.amiga]	
		amivms  = YOURDISKDEVICE:[YOURACCOUNT.amiga.vms]	
		amiup   = YOURDISKDEVICE:[YOURACCOUNT.amiga.upload]	
		amidwn  = YOURDISKDEVICE:[YOURACCOUNT.amiga.download]	
      
      Commands/symbols; (don't type RUN)
      
		arc    = runs ARC archive/unarchive program
		cvtarc = convert file record format for transmission
		xmhelp = get help on X-Modem"
		xsendb = send a binary file using X-Modem
		xrecvb = receive a binary file using X-Modem
		xsendt = send a text file using X-Modem
		xrecvt = receive a text file using X-Modem
		ysend  = send a binary file using Y-Modem
		yrecv  = receive a binary file using Y-Modem
		ysendb = send binary batch files using Y-Modem
		yrecv  = receive binary batch files using Y-Modem
		ysendt = send a text file using Y-Modem
		yrecvt = receive a text file using Y-Modem
		zoo    = run ZOO archive/unarchive program