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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4348.0. "Help with 8MB external RAM" by UFHIS::JMASLEN (The wheels fallen off your day yet?!) Tue Dec 11 1990 10:46

    Question time for a novice AMIGA 500 user!
    	I have a 500,501 expansion, and an unpopulated (0K)590 Hard Disk.I
    will be doing video animation work with this thing.
    
    	The question is: is there an external, autoconfiguring 8MB RAM
    for the 500? Something with a 'passthru' busconnector so I can fit this
    between the 590 and the 500 on the left hand side.
    
    	I have seen memory upgrades for INSIDE the 500 but have only read
    problems when it came to animation like Deluxe Paint III.
    
    	Also any prices/dealers/brands experiences etc would make me a
    happy user........many thanx and a Merry Christmas folks
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4348.11MB FatterAgnus as wellUFHIS::JMASLENThe wheels fallen off your day yet?!Tue Dec 11 1990 10:504
    PS: I will be putting in a 1MB Fatter Agnus chip shortly as well....any
    thing to watch for RAMwise - internally or externally
    
    	fjeff
4348.2SupraRAM 500RXSNOPLW::CARRAsleep at the mouseTue Dec 11 1990 11:4516
    Re: .0

>    	The question is: is there an external, autoconfiguring 8MB RAM
>    for the 500? Something with a 'passthru' busconnector so I can fit this
>    between the 590 and the 500 on the left hand side.
    
    Well, there's the SupraRAM 500RX which seems to fit your needs. It's a
    small ~1" wide strip that matches the 500 contours, has space for 0.5, 1,
    2, 4 or 8MB of fast RAM and provides bus pass-thru. Take a look in recent 
    AmigaWorlds at Supra ads. Have no idea what prices on this unit are.

    -Dom
    


    
4348.3watch that Agnus!SDOGUS::WILLIAMSTOPGUNTue Dec 11 1990 14:109
    What version of the Motherboard do you have?  If you are going to
    install the 1MB Fatter Agnus (via the cut trace method) then you
    will invalidate the warranty!  Also check to see if you have the
    ever present warranty validation sticker across the case halves.
    Breaking that will certainly invalidate your warranty.  I have not
    seen a 1MB motherboard yet, just wondering if you happened to get
    one.
    
    TOPGUN
4348.4No trace cuttingDECWET::DAVISnice computers don't go downTue Dec 11 1990 16:006
    I replaced the Agnus in my rev 5 motherboard.  There is a method where
    you do not have to cut the trace, just bend a pin out of the soceket
    on Gary and move the address jumper.  This method works great on a
    stock A500.
    
    md
4348.5Spot the rev. level!UFHIS::JMASLENThe wheels fallen off your day yet?!Wed Dec 12 1990 06:4010
    Thanks for the Supra 500X idea.........regarding re:3 & 4........how
    do I determine my 500's rev. level (it is new as of a week ago here in
    Germany) and if there is already  a Fatter Agnus 1MB in it or not
    without breaking the warranty stickers.
    
    	Also, what is your alternative rev 5 method with bending pins etc
    on the Gary chip please?
    
    	Thanx fjeff......who doesn't wish to kill  a new <working>
    machine!!
4348.6Bend Gary save an etchDECWET::DAVISnice computers don&#039;t go downWed Dec 12 1990 12:1211
    Instead of cutting the etch that goes to pin41(I think) on the
    expansion memory connector(header).  Remove GARY, slightly bend out
    pin 32 (-EXRAM), then replace GARY.  
    
    The motherboard has its revision level etched or silk-screened onto it 
    along with the chip "names" and a lot of other stuff.  The only way to
    do the modification is to open the A500's case.  Commodore gets highly
    agitated when you mention upgrading the A500 to 1MB chip ram. :^)  There 
    is a PD utility that is supposed to tell you if you have the 8372A or not.
    
    md
4348.7OPEN A CASE -- LOOSE A WARRANTYSDOGUS::WILLIAMSTOPGUNWed Dec 12 1990 18:1116
    Check to see if you have a warranty sticker on your machine.  If
    you do then you won't be able to open the machine without destroying
    that sticker.  If you don't have a sticker then you can probably
    get away with opening the case and checking to see if you have a
    REV 6 motherboard or not.  Look for the Agnus number while you are
    at it.  I think all machines are shipping with the 1MB Agnus, it
    is just that Commodore has found some problems running with the
    1MB Agnus in A500s.  They seem to be timing problems, and CBM just
    doesn't want to have to deal with them.  The CBM line (according
    to my dealer) is that altering the machine in any way that requires
    opening the case invalidates the warranty.  Get to know your dealer
    really well!  The dealer does have stickers that can replace the
    factory sticker.
    
    TOPGUN
    
4348.8Expansion device problemsDECWET::DAVISYou always get what you deserve!Wed Dec 12 1990 19:386
    I encountered the timing problem with my A500+Midget Racer+Supra500XP. 
    When the 1MB chip ram is enabled with the above hardware the video
    wouldn't sync.  If I removed either the 500XP or Midget everything
    functioned fine.  The 8372A works fine on my unexpanded A500.
    
    md
4348.9AVAIL ~= case-cracking?CRISTA::CAPRICCIOBlind as a cave shrimpWed Dec 12 1990 21:386
    Am I missing something here? Wouldn't the AVAIL command tell you if
    you've got 1Mb chip RAM? Can you have the muther FANG installed but
    only enabled for 512K?

    Puzzled Pete
4348.10BOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Real computing on a PC budgetWed Dec 12 1990 22:335
    Nope.  At some point Commodore began building all new Amigas with the
    fatter Agnus chip installed, but they kept the jumpers configured for
    512K chip and 512K (half)fast RAM.  So, some machines are *capable* of
    having 1 meg of chip RAM even though only 512K shows up until internal
    changes are made.
4348.11Kramden will helpNDLIS3::ISTURMThu Dec 13 1990 03:408
    Kramden Utilities SI will do it....
    
    Somewhere on WJG:: or Tape:: you can find the Kramden Utils
    the SI programm ( similiar to Norton... in PC Universe..)
    will tell you all significant Infos on your System without
    Warranty Problems.
    
    Regards , Ingo