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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4277.0. "computer chronicles spot" by CIMBAD::QUIRICI () Wed Nov 14 1990 14:38

    computer chronicles last night had a nice spot about:
    
    an amiga 3000 with amigavision, demonstrating how easy it was to put
    together an 'encyclopedia' with audio/visual material tied and
    referenced nicely together, and in a user-friendly way
    
    an amiga 2000 with the new video toaster, which has 16M colors (how do
    they translate into the 4k max of the amiga), and a wide array of
    special effects at the very good price of $1500. they showed it, among
    other things, very quickly putting together a nice title for the
    computer chronicles show itself - looked and sounded nice.
    
    neither of these applications are really in my areas of interest, but
    it was nevertheless nice to see how great the amiga looks and sounds
    (the 'encyclopedia' had text spoken aloud thru the computer), even with
    its by now not-so-state-of-the-art hardware.
    
    i must again express a wish that commodore would give jay miner a
    million bucks or so (or SOMEBODY) to bring the amiga up-to-date. 
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4277.1TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersWed Nov 14 1990 18:128
Re: .0

>    an amiga 2000 with the new video toaster, which has 16M colors (how do
>    they translate into the 4k max of the amiga), and a wide array of

The video toaster is a completely independent graphics subsystem: it doesn't
use the Amiga graphics at all, and only programs written specially for
the toaster can talk to it.
4277.2thanks, and...CIMBAD::QUIRICIThu Nov 15 1990 12:0114
    re: .1
    
    i assume you mean then that if you had the time you could plug in the
    video toaster and write a completely new amiga operating system using
    16M colors? the toaster has like bit blitters and stuff so you could
    program text-output, graphics editors, and the like? is the video
    toaster then better than 640x400 (and non-interlaced to boot?)
    
    if the answer to all these is yes, i wonder how much money that part of
    the video toaster that simply upgrades the amiga video operating system
    would cost, assuming you could isolate that part of it and assign a
    cost to it.
    
    i hope these questions make sense.
4277.3More colors, same resolutionTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersThu Nov 15 1990 13:0315
Re: .2

You could indeed write a new version of AmigaDOS that did all graphics
to the video toaster, but it would be a major undertaking.

The video toaster isn't higher resolution or non-interlaced.  Both those
properties are useless in video work.  In video work, your goal is to
create a signal that can be displayed on a TV screen, not a computer
monitor.  The current Amiga resolutions are as good as television gets.
Period.  The only drawback of the current Amiga video modes with regards
to television is that they do not support enough colors.  The toaster
corrects that problem, and adds features for combining multiple video
signals into one, and for performing special effects.

Interlace isn't a drawback for video work: it is a requirement.
4277.4Software first...FROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Tue Nov 20 1990 09:0313
    Re: all
    
    As Randy already stated, it all depends on how you define "up to date".
    Given substantial investments, an Amiga XXXX with gazonga graphics
    within a few months would be no problem hardwarewise.
    However the resulting price increase and years of development (or
    an immense and probably unaffordable increase in the CBM software crew)
    make an "up to date" Amiga that's still in a sensible price range a
    fantasy.
    
    What's needed is device/resolution graphics.library. This takes time.
    
    <CB>
4277.5CIMBAD::QUIRICITue Nov 20 1990 10:257
    re: .4 
    
    could you explain what you mean by device/resolution library? are
    you saying the major problem, time-wise (not cost-wise) is writing
    software? what kind of software?
    
    ken
4277.6Independent...FROCKY::BALZERChristian Balzer DTN:785-1029Fri Nov 23 1990 11:0616
    Re: .5
    
    Argh, my fingers have been faster than my brain again.
    That should be device/resolution _independent_ library.
    And graphics.library would have to be rewritten completly, eventually
    intuition, too. If you want backwards compatibility, things don't get
    easier.
    And this takes time and is expensive. CBM started to take steps in that
    direction with the new font stuff and the resolution independant font
    engine currently under construction, but one has to wait and see
    if they can do it in time to stay competetive with other platforms.
    (And yes Virginia, a home computer doesn't really need this features,
    but a low-end workstation does.)
    
    <CB>