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    Yup, you heard right, I used this when I had a A1000. It eats up about
    half of a floppy, leaves enough for basic workbench and booting upto a
    hard drive. Basically it copies the kickstart software to the first
    tracks on the disk and partitions the rest as a DOS disk. Then you must
    arm the disk as a Kick disk with a command (provided) then the next 
    power on the amiga will see the disk as a kickstart disk. Of course
    if you just did a warm reboot it would ask for a workbench disk (since
    the kickbench disk can only be in one mode at a time).
    
    Grab a copy from CGOU01::AMIGA:[TOOLS]KICKBENCH.ZOO or fred fish #36.
    
    /Steve.
    

    
    	Thanks, i'll try that tonight.
    
    
    Stephane.

    
    	I tried it yesterday and it seems i need a program called 
    	Disked in order for the program to work. Would you know where i can 
    	get a copy of that also???
    
    
    	Thanks in advance.
    
    	Stephane.

    
    Sorry, I don't seem to have a copy of disked, I actually don't remeber
    needing disked, I may of just copied someone elses finished kickbench
    disk, either that or there was a newer version of kickbench that 
    eliminated the need for disked?
    
    /Steve/

    I've  looked at the Fred Fish disk #36 and it says:

KickBench	Instructions and programs for creating and using a
		combined KickStart and WorkBench disk, so only one
		disk is need to reboot.  Allows the system to reboot
		unattended after a power failure.  Requires disked from
       -->	developer's disk.
		Author: Alonzo Gariepy

    	Here's the program that looks for Disked
    
.key version/a
.bra (
.ket )
if not exists ram:makeboth
   if exists makeboth
      copy makeboth ram:
   else
      echo "can't find file: makeboth"
      quit
   endif
endif
if not exists ram:makedospart
   if exists makedospart
      copy makedospart ram:
   else
      echo "can't find file: makedospart"
      quit
   endif
endif			
    if not exists ram:disked	   <-------------------------------------------	
   if exists disked
      copy disked ram:
   else
      if exists c:disked
         copy c:disked ram:
      else
         echo "can't find file: disked or c:disked"
         quit
      endif
   endif
endif
if not exists ram:kick
   if exists kick
      copy kick ram:
   else
      if exists c:kick
         copy c:kick ram:
      else
         echo "can't find file: kick or c:kick"
         quit
      endif
   endif
endif
if not exists ram:unkick
   if exists unkick
      copy unkick ram:
   else
      if exists s:unkick
         copy s:unkick ram:
      else
         echo "can't find file: unkick or s:unkick"
         quit
      endif
   endif
endif
echo >ram:mb.testfile "test for default directory"
if not exists :mb.testfile
   copy patch#? ram:
   cd ram:
   echo "CD RAM:"
   echo ""
   echo "Necessary files have been copied to RAM:."
   echo "You should now re-execute makeboth."
   quit
endif
if not exists "patch(version)"
   echo "There is no patch file for version: (version)"
   echo "Valid versions are suffixes of patch in the following files:"
   list pat patch#? quick
   quit
endif
echo "Insert (version) kickstart in drive DF0: and a blank disk in drive DF1:"
echo " "
diskcopy df0: to df1:
kick df1: install
disked >nil: <makedospart DF1:
relabel df1: both
disked >nil: <patch(version) DF1:
makedir df1:c
makedir df1:s
makedir df1:libs
makedir df1:devs
makedir df1:l
makedir df1:system
makedir df1:fonts
copy kick df1:c
copy unkick df1:s
echo " "
echo "Now copy all the system stuff onto the disk yourself."
echo "If you want the disk to automatically re-arm itself, then"
echo "have the startup-sequence execute *"kick*" with no arguments."
echo " "
echo "When you've put all the files on the disk you should arm it with"
echo "the command:  kick DF1:"
echo " "
echo "You'll have to take care of the garbage on RAM: yourself!"
    	

    re:.5
    
    One possible source would be Commodore, since it is their program.  Is
    there a software toolkit available from CATS?  and does it contain
    DiskEd?
    
    most of the sector editors on the fish disks seem to want mouse input,
    don't remember any that took commands from the command line like that.
    
    If they are only stomping on the bootblocks, perhaps one of the virus
    protection programs that save & restore bootblocks could be used
    instead of DiskEd
    
    Dave
    

    SUMKICK.ZOO from comp.binaries.amiga sounds like it will do what you
    are looking for.  I'm going to try it out tonite to build a single
    combined kickstart and workbench disk for my A1000.  I'll upload it if
    somebody else hasn't already done so.  The docs with it claim it is
    much better than kickbench.
    
    regards,
    dennis

    SUMKICK.ZOO from comp.binaries.amiga does work, though it took about
    2 days to read between the lines to extract the missing information
    and also due to unfamiliarity with the Mon utility.
    
    I now have a single disk on my Amiga 1000 that boots all the way from 
    power on to a CLI shell prompt.  INFO shows the disk as a Kickstart
    disk, but I can dir, delete, and copy files to it.  
    
    Sumkick.zoo requires other utilities from the fish disks - mon, tcopy,
    tfile.  Other utilities could be used but I wanted to stick as close
    to the original directions as possible for the best chance of
    succeeding.
    
    The question is how to proceed from here.  I could put all the pieces
    into a single archive file with updated documentation and upload that
    if there is interest.  I've lhwarped the resulting disk, but since its
    modified C= software, its most likely not ok to upload it.
    
    regards,
    dennis

    
    	First of all, thanks for all the trouble. Secondly, i really don't
    	know if you can download C= software, i think it all depends if 
    	the software is free or not??? Another thing i could do is copy 
    	it from your directory but for that you need to set your directory 
    	world read access.
    
    	If we can do that, could you Zoo the files because i haven't got 
    	"lhwarp" or something like that.
    
    	Thanks. 
    	Stephane.

    re .9:
    ZOO compresses only files.  LHWARP compresses a bootable diskette track
    by track.  Different concepts - file compression vs disk compression.  
    
    See tape::user2:[upload]lhwrp131.zoo for details.
    
    Since this a bootable disk, I had to use LHWARP.
    
    The Kickstart and Workbench 1.3 release was $15, probably the cost of
    the media and printed manual that came with it.  
    
    regards,
    dennis
    
    
    

    RE: .8

    I have all of the utilities needed, but am interested in your updated
    documentation.

    regards,
    Chris.