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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4227.0. "A590 RAM Problems" by BELFST::MCCLINTOCK (Peter) Sat Oct 27 1990 15:46

    I had 2 megabytes of RAM put into my A590 today by the dealer.  This
    gives me a total of 3 Mb.  Now that I have the drive back home (and the
    shop is closed) I find that I get a Guru when using more than 2 Mb of
    memory.
    
    I have run the memory test utility that comes with the A590 but I am
    unable to interpret the results except to say that I have a problem. 
    If I knew which chips were faulty I could return them and have them
    replaced and in the meantime I could reconfigure the chips and the
    jumper to allow me to work safely with 2 meg.
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Here is the output from the Memory test:
    
  A590 RAM TEST        Total Errors = 5                    PASS � 1        
  HUNK     LOCATION    | TEST PAtTERN   | PASS  FAIL       FAILED BITS     
  SIZE     STA??  END  |                | U10A5 U10A5      0123456789A?CDEF
 59B30    2264D0 27FFFF                   +++++                            
 80000    280000 2FFFFF                         -----      XXXX------------
                                                                           
                                                                           
                       FAILED  BIT TO IC DESIGNATOR MAP                    
                                                                           
ADDRESS RANGE |  0  1  2  3 | 4  5  6  7 | 8  9  a  b | c  d  e  f | < BITS
              +-------------+------------+------------+------------+       
200000-27ffff |     U14     |    U15     |    U16     |    U17     |       
280000-2fffff |     U18     |    U19     |    U20     |    U21     |       
300000-27ffff |     U22     |    U23     |    U24     |    U25     |       
380000-3fffff |     U26     |    U27     |    U28     |    U29     |       
                                                                           
2.A590_RAM_TEST:>
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Any useful suggestions would be appreciated.
    
    Peter
    
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4227.1Me thinks U18CRISTA::CAPRICCIOSmilin&#039; Joe FissionSat Oct 27 1990 17:3419
    Don't take my word for it but I'd say the diag was pointing to U18. It
    looks as if it passed the first hunk (2264D0 - 27FFFF) and failed on
    the second (280000 -2FFFFF). Then, if the "X" means a failed bit, it's
    pointing to bits 0-3 which according to the bit-to-IC map is U18.

    Probably the proper thing to do is return it to the dealer, though I
    realize that being without your A590 for that long is painfull. I'd
    hope that the dealer tested the new memory configuration on one of his
    machines (assuming you just brought the A590 to him). If not, you could
    crack it open and check for the obvious; orientation and bent pins. If
    everything looks okay, you could swap U18 with say U19 and see if the
    diagnostic changes the failed bits to 4-7, indicating a bad chip. Of
    course, I don't know how supportive your dealer will be if you go
    poking around without his consent, but I won't say anything if you
    won't...

    Hope this helps,

    Pete
4227.2U18 was the culpritBELFST::MCCLINTOCKPeterMon Oct 29 1990 06:164
    Yes, One pin was not in place on the U18 chip.  Everything is working
    fine now.
    
    Peter
4227.3Doesn't even boot?MADRE::MWMFri Feb 15 1991 22:0913
    My turn -
    
    I just added 2 meg to a working 590. The system won't come up. If I set
    the jumper to 0 memory, it boots fine. If I set it to anything beyond
    that, it doesn't even get to the dark grey initial load screen.
    
    The chips are labelled AAA1M304P-08. Could someone verify that these
    are indeed the 256Kx4 CMOS DRAM my receipt says they are? I'm not sure
    I trust the supermarket droids.
    
    	Thanx,
    	<mike
    
4227.4CLO::COBURNGrowing older, but not up...Sat Feb 16 1991 23:526
    Re: .3
    
    That 1M in the part number would make me very suspicious. Otherwise I
    can't say.
    
    John
4227.5Store claims they are the correct chipMADRE::MWMSun Feb 17 1991 16:478
    I called the store back. They claim they are standard 256Kx4 VGA RAM
    chips, and those should work just fine. The second claim was that the
    256Kx4 chips are the only 20-pin dips I'm liable to run into. They are
    a 1Megabit chip, so 1M makes some sense. I'm still worried 'bout it,
    though...
    
    	<mike
    
4227.6How fast?TLE::TLET8::ASHFORTHThe Lord is my lightMon Feb 18 1991 10:196
If the store is not completely Amiga-literate, and if they usually deal with
other (shudder!) PCs, they may not know that the chips need to be at least rated
at 120 (if I remember correctly) nanoseconds. (Doublecheck the manual, it's been
a while since I added memory.) I recall using 80 ns chips.

Bob
4227.7Some parts may not be compatibleBOMBE::MOOREAmiga: Real computing on a PC budgetMon Feb 18 1991 15:3811
    The "-08" on the end of the part number would seem to indicate that
    his chips are rated at 80ns.
    
    I recently assisted a friend with adding 2mb to his A2091 card (same
    basic design as A590).  The parts he got from MicroProcessors Unlimited
    (in Oklahoma) were made by Hyundai (HY51C4256S-12, I think).  These
    chips did *NOT* work in the A2091, even though everything seemed to
    indicate that they should.  They even sent him a second set of parts
    (same vendor and number).  Out of 32 chips, we couldn't find 16 that
    would operate reliably!  Finally he requested a third set from a
    different vendor (Toshiba), which worked perfectly.
4227.8The A590 was bustedMADRE::MWMTue Feb 19 1991 04:208
    My problem is solved. I returned the chips (they were 80 ns), and
    dragged the A590 down to my dealer. For an extra $8, they installed
    the ram, and informed me that the memory controller PAL was missing.
    I'm going to have some words with CATS tomorrow - shipping hardware
    with critical components missing!
    
    	<mike