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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

4104.0. "Monitor Dilema....." by NEST::CURRY () Tue Sep 11 1990 19:16

    I have a question; I now own a Commodore 64 and will soon be
    picking up an A500. I now own a Magnavox RGB monitor. My question
    is this: am I going to have to purchase a VGA monitor to use
    with the A500, or will I get by using the RGB? Any help will be
    helpful!
                                                Mike
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4104.1BOMBE::MOOREEat or be eatenTue Sep 11 1990 19:278
    What you want is an ANALOG RGB monitor, your Magnavox is probably of
    the digital (RGBI) variety which is only capable of displaying 16
    colors.  The Amiga does provide RGBI compatible video outputs, so you
    *could* use your old monitor, but you'd be missing out on the best
    part of Ami's video prowess.
    
    VGA uses a higher scan rate which a stock A500 cannot match, so that's
    not what you want either.
4104.2get a multiscsanLEDS::ACCIARDILarger than life, and twice as uglyTue Sep 11 1990 23:3821
    
    A smart choice would be a multiscanning (otherwise known as multisync)
    type monitor.  The current Amiga video signals will most likely be
    upgraded in the future.  A multisync monitor would handle the current
    graphics modes, as well as any that might appear in the future.
    
    Good choices are the NEC Multisync 3D or the Princeton Ultrasync models.
    While these may seem much more expensive than a standard Comomdore
    monitor ($500-$600), you are in fact getting a lot of value for your
    money.
    
    The models I mentioned can handle the display of an IBM VGA compatible
    system, or even a Macintosh II system, should you ever decide to change
    models.
    
    If you search this conference by title you may find more references and
    recommendations.
    
    Ed.
    
    
4104.3ULTRA::KINDELBill Kindel @ BXB1Wed Sep 12 1990 12:1024
    Re .0:
    
>   I now own a Commodore 64 and will soon be picking up an A500. I now own
>   a Magnavox RGB monitor. My question is this: am I going to have to
>   purchase a VGA monitor to use with the A500, or will I get by using the
>   RGB?
    
    As an A500 owner who has a Magnavox RGBA/RGBI monitor, the answer lies
    in just WHICH monitor you have.  As Bruce noted in .1, what you NEED is
    an ANALOG RGB monitor (assuming you want to be able to see more than
    the 16 pre-defined colors that an RGBI monitor can render 8^).  My
    monitor allows a choice between NTSC composite video (C=64/128
    40-column mode), RGBI (C=128 80-column mode and PC CGA/EGA), and RGBA
    (Amiga, in all modes).
    
    Super VGA and multi-sync monitors cost more.  The A2000 FlickerFixer
    and the A3000's S/VGA port both produce output at the higher scan rate
    needed to avoid the flicker that the rest of us see on "interlaced"
    640x400 Amiga screens.  There are conflicting reports about such
    support in a new version of the Denise chip (which would imply that
    even A500 owners would be wise to buy multi-sync monitors if they buy
    anything), but what I've heard isn't coherent enough to act upon.
    
    If you do buy a new monitor, I may be interested in your old one.
4104.4Buy a multisyncTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersWed Sep 12 1990 16:1233
The enhanced Denise chip, which is currently shipping with the Amiga 3000
and will be available as an upgrade to Amiga 2000 and 500 owners, supports
new video modes, some of which require a VGA scan rate.

If you have the new Denise, you can use all of the current video modes
without any problems using the normal Commodore monitors.  However, the
non-interlaced 400 line modes will not be usable unless hooked up to
a VGA monitor or a multi-frequency (multisynyc) monitor.

The drawback with a VGA monitor is that, although will it will display
the new non-interlaced 400 line mode, it will not display any of the
old Amiga video modes.  This isn't too much of a problem if you have
a flicker fixer, as that card converts all of the old Amiga video modes
to the VGA frequency.  (The Amiga 3000 has the equivalent of flicker fixer
built in, and you can either connect a monitor to its output, or to the
enhanced Denise output.)

The best solution, in my mind, is get a multi-frequency monitor.  It can
handle any of the video Amiga output signals: normal, enhanced modes,
flicker fixer.  The multi-frequency monitors cost more than the Commodore
fixed frequency monitors, but they are more flexible, and have much better
pictures.

One last selling point: eventually you will upgrade your system.  If you
get a fixed frequency monitor now, the likelihood of being able to use
your current monitor with your new computer will be near zero.  If you
get a multi-frequency monitor, you will have a fighting chance that your
monitor will outlive your current computer.

Commodore is selling a new multi-frequency monitor for the 3000.  It looks
quite nice (far better than any other monitor sold under the Commodore
logo), and if I was monitor shopping right now, I'd give it serious
consideration.
4104.5Dont forget about old VR241's.SNOC02::KINGSat Sep 15 1990 04:2819
    
    Also, bare in mind that an old VR241 (hitachi) colour monitor does the job if
    you can get it cheap enough traded in on employee purchase or on loan
    (free). It has a switch on the back to do both analog and digital (16)
    colour RGB.
    
    Thats what I'm using now. Doesnt have a speaker of course, but I use my
    amp anyway off the other audio outputs.
    
    Also, you have to make up your own cable for $30. For anyone
    interested, do a DIR/TITLE="VR241" and you'll pickup my full how-to
    on it.
    
    Multi-synch is still way beyond my budget - thats halfway towards a
    decent Ami hard disk.
    
    Randall.