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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3988.0. "Disk de-formatting!" by FILTON::FENTON_R (Potassium Ethoxide Rules C2H5OOK) Fri Aug 03 1990 09:57

    Now here's a question which you haven't been asked before. How do
    you de-format a disk?
    
    -Rog
    
    What do you mean, why would anyone want to do that?
    
    Oh all right then. Some time ago, I bought a Syncro Express as I
    was tired of my expensive games disks self-destructing, and wanted
    to make a backup or nine. I managed a couple at the start, but have
    since been spectacularly unsuccessful. I spoke to the people at
    Datel (where I bought it) - they said it was essential to use a
    virgin disk, ie one which had not previously been formatted. I expect
    this is because maybe the Syncro doesn't erase the bits between
    the new tracks it writes, and the protection systems pick up on
    this...?
    
    My EIS consultant recommends putting the disks inside ny loudspeaker
    cabinet, right up close to the bass speaker, and playing an hour
    or so of Motorhead...
    
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3988.1ELWOOD::PETERSFri Aug 03 1990 10:109
    
    
    	Your EIS consultant has the right idea. The only way to de-format
    a disk is to bulk erase it. This is done by passing a magnet over the
    media. Here in Tape Eng. we have a number of different brands and they
    all seem to work the same.
    
    		Steve Peters
    
3988.2format df(-1):EUCLID::OWENI will not instigate revolutionFri Aug 03 1990 10:109
    A large magnet maybe?  Other than that, I'm not so sure you can do it.
    
    Leave the disks on top of your monitor for a week or so, that should do
    it...
    
    8^)
    
    Steve
    
3988.3WJG::GUINEAUFri Aug 03 1990 10:2412
>    My EIS consultant recommends putting the disks inside ny loudspeaker
>    cabinet, right up close to the bass speaker, and playing an hour
>    or so of Motorhead...
    
That would probably work. Forget playing music, it won't make any difference.
Just shuffle the floppy around the magnet a bit (keep it moving, don't just 
stick it on there).

You need to be carefull not to magnitize the metal hub in the center
of the floppy (ie dont let it contact the speaker magnet)

joh
3988.4Try a Radio Shack bulk eraserRGB::ROSEFri Aug 03 1990 11:577
    	Normally, bulk erasing is done with an AC electromagnet. Radio
    Shack used to have them for under $10. I assume they still do. You
    want to move the bulk eraser around the disk for several seconds, then
    pull it gradually away from the disk until there is several feet of
    separation. Then switch off the bulk eraser. If you switch it off
    near the disk, you could get residual DC magnetism depending on the
    phase of the line voltage when you switched it off.
3988.5Dust Buster might do itCSC32::A_ANDERSONDTN 592-4170 NSU/VAXFri Aug 03 1990 20:146
    Additional to number .4 keep well away from the rest of your floppies
    when you do this.  Also a freind of mine got his 5 1/4 inch floppies
    erased by accident with a Black and Decker dust buster.  His wife
    decided to clean up around his computer.
    
    
3988.6wipediskREAD::POMEROYMon Aug 06 1990 08:3215
    There is a program out there that may be able to do what you need. I
    ran into a similar problem when trying to backup a game that was full
    of killer disk protections. I used a program that supposedly wipes the
    disk clean and the copy worked. I think the program was called diskwipe
    or wipedisk or something. It was a long time ago, I can't remember
    exactly. Steve do you know what I'm talking about. 
    
    Also, I may be way off here, but if it just the residual AmigaDOS
    format that screws up the copy, maybe formatting it for the PC or
    something may work, or copying a non-AmigaDOS game/program to it so
    that it destroys the Ami format. I doubt if this would work, but who
    knows.
    
    bob pomeroy
    refine::pomeroy
3988.7DiskWipe from MarauderCOOKIE::WITHERSSlipping into madness is good for the sake of comparisonTue Aug 14 1990 12:159
    Maruader used to ship with a program called DiskWipe which totally
    zotched a disk - quite impressive...when you put a DiskWipe(d) disk in
    (say) DF0:, the iconm shows up and underneath, it says "DF0:.
    
    I remember something in the manual about it being PD so maybe someone
    ca upload it somewhere.
    
    BobW
    
3988.8Deformatting at last!FILTON::FENTON_RStop Kidding YourselfMon Jan 21 1991 06:1510
    Well, what do you know - I finally received an upgrade of X-Copy (now
    Version 3.1) - this includes a disk deformatter. Just as well - the
    other night I spent 5 minutes wiping a loudspeaker magnet all over one
    of my disks - apart from magnetising the central hub, it had no effect
    at all on the data!
    
    -Rog
    
    PS this version of X-Copy WORKS - in fact it works very well so far...