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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3957.0. "can you run all-in-1 wps-plus from amiga via modemm" by AIMHI::DEROO () Wed Jul 25 1990 14:36

    is it possible to run all-in-1 wps-plusfrom an amiga 500 logged into a
    vax from a modem? I have tried using another type of computer as I
    allready had kermit for a communications program but when I ran the
    word processing portion I received an "unsupported terminal type" error
    even though I was running vt100 emulation. 
    
    Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
    
    Ken
    
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3957.1CLO::COBURNGrowing older, but not up...Wed Jul 25 1990 15:2711
    I am not positive but I believe that WPS+ requires at least a VT102 (or
    a terminal that has line/char insert features). 
    
    There are at least 2 emulators for the Amiga that claim VT200
    compatibility - Smokey and Handshake. Either of these should work (I
    haven't tried them, though). Smokey is a good emulator for VT200.
    
    Also, Meshugena claims VT200 compatibility (no download capability - so
    it is just an emulator). All of these are available on TAPE or WJG.
    
    John
3957.2Should be, but should experimentKALI::PLOUFFIt came from the... dessert!Wed Jul 25 1990 15:3216
    Probably yes.  There are several different VT100 terminal emulators
    available which conform to the published VT100 spec.  However, many
    Digital software packages take advantage of undocumented (at least in
    public) features of the VT100.  The worst that should happen is that
    some screens may not draw correctly.  This may or may not be critical
    to you depending on the results.
    
    For instance, I use the public domain program VT100, v2.9B, on my Amiga
    2000.  When logged in to the VAX at work, running NOTES, the last few
    characters of the "nn of nn" block in the upper right hand corner are
    often missing or not updated.  To me, this is a minor shortcoming.
    
    By the way, using a program called "Kermit" for terminal emulation is,
    IMO, using the wrong tool for the job.
    
    Wes
3957.3What is your emulator?GOBAMA::WILSONTLTony, the HOSS TRUMPETWed Jul 25 1990 16:5013
    You must use something that emulates at least a base level VT100.  You
    are implying that you are using Kermit, which to my knowledge, does not
    emulate anything.  If you suspect that your terminal DOES emulate a
    VT100, use the DCL command SET TERM/DEVICE=VT100 before invoking
    All-in-1.  If All-in-1 runs correctly, then suspect the type of
    terminal that is being reported back by your emulator when it receives
    the SET TERM/INQ request during login.  As an alternative, you can
    issue the latter DCL command yourself and then SHOW TERM and see what
    VMS thinks you have.
    
    You can get the hardcopy version of All-in-1 by SET TERM/DEVICE=UNKNOWN
    and then running All-in-1.  Most commands are supported, but crudely.
    
3957.4PEEVAX::GIFFORDMy dunny was kicked down by chooks!Wed Jul 25 1990 19:528
I use VLTjr to communicate from my a1000.

It *DOES* allow me to read my allin1 mail quite nicely.
I can also use the wps editor with no problems.

In addition it has an extremly nice upload/download capability!

Stan.
3957.5Still using Handshake!LEDS::ACCIARDILarger than life, and twice as uglyWed Jul 25 1990 22:468
    
    Handshake passes all the litmus tests for VT102/VT220 emulation.  I
    still find it to be the best all-around VT emulator.  If only it
    supported Zmodem!
    
    Handshake is shareware from Eric Haberfellner.
    
    Ed.
3957.6Handshake is the oneGIDDAY::MORANI'm not bad-I'm just drawn that way!Wed Jul 25 1990 23:0611
    I agree with Ed - Handshake is the best for VT220 emulation. It even
    handles double height characters. It even supports field service test
    characters.
    
    e.g. in echo mode on handshake type '<ESC> # 8' and your screen should
    fill up with E's.
    
    All it needs is Zmodem and I would probably use it instead of JRCOMM.
    
    Shaun.
    
3957.7It works.SUBURB::MCDONALDAOld Elysian with a big D.I.C.Thu Jul 26 1990 06:1827
    I hate to admit it, but I use ALL-IN-1 and WPS-PLUS from home on my
    Amiga over the dial-in-modem. It works on A2000s and A500s.
    
    The emulator I use is good old SMOKEY - set up in VT100 mode (this is a
    limitation of our ACB service, rather than a limitation of SMOKEY).
    
    There is only one major problem with using WPS-PLUS on an Amiga - there
    aren't enough funtion keys. From what I can remember, you can forget
    about F1 through F20 - if WPS-PLUS uses these.
    
    The keys <Find>, <Insert Here>, <Remove>, <Select>, etc map on to the
    Amiga function keys F1 through F6 - one of these days I'll produce a
    template for this. If memory serves me correctly, the WPS-PLUS <Help>
    and <Do> keys, map on to the Amiga's <Del> and <Help> keys
    respectively. The application key pad and PF keys are a 1:1 mapping.
    
    These keys are the only ones I've bothered to discover, as I'm not a
    heavy WPS-PLUS user. My incredibly sophisticated method for discovering
    this mapping was to press the keys and see what happened.
    
    Once I get AX11 going on my Amiga, a) I can switch to DECwrite, and b) 
    if I need to I can run A1 via a DECterm window.
    
    VTX using the ALL-IN-1 keypad (Yuk) also works.
    
    Angus
       
3957.8On my way but having comm problems now.AIMHI::DEROOFri Aug 03 1990 13:0618
    Thanks for all the help so far !  I have found a copy of handshake, got
    a amiga 500 to hayes modem cable ( pins1-8, 20, 22 point to point) and
    a df112 & df03. I know these modems work because I use them on other
    systems. I know the cable is good as I tested it with a meter but.....
    I do not get a tr light on the modem when the system is powered up and
    when I try using handshakes autodial I get a time out while it looks
    for (i think it was) carrier detect (first it said it was dialing then
    gave a message saying it was waiting for something).
    
    On all the other systems I have used the tr indicator would light as
    soon as the system was powered up. Is it different on the amiga? are
    there any tests to indicate a bad serial port? or am I just ignorant
    and using the hardware and software improperly?
    
    Any ideas greatly apprieciated and thank for all the help so far.
    
    
    Ken
3957.9BOMBE::MOOREEat or be eatenFri Aug 03 1990 18:036
    I know there are a couple of signals which are not asserted from the
    Amiga until the terminal program is loaded.  Sorry, I don't remember
    specifically whether DTR is one of those, but I *think* it is.
    
    One reason for doing this is to keep the modem from picking up incoming
    calls just because the computer happens to be on...
3957.10MSVAX::BARRETTI will not skateboard in the hallsFri Aug 03 1990 18:097
    Yes, DTR is aserted when the communication program starts up. Are
    you able to confirm that the modem is indeed dialing the number?
    If it is, then the problem may simply be one of carrier detection
    or DSR. I don't remember if handshake has any configuration options
    or not. I used SMOKEY myself and never have had a problem with
    hayes types or scholars.
    
3957.11Slap it in the face with CTRL/BGOBAMA::WILSONTLTony, the HOSS TRUMPETMon Aug 06 1990 15:3811
    
>    I do not get a tr light on the modem when the system is powered up and
                    --
    
    If you mean the DTR, that is normal until you start HANDSHAKE, at which
    time it should come on.  Wait for HANDSHAKE to finish initialization,
    then try the old ctrl/B sequence for which Digital modems are so
    (in)famous.  I use a Scholar, so I'm not familiar with the modems you
    mention, but I'm sure they don't possess the intelligence the Hayes
    modems do (or others of that ilk).
    
3957.12I have carrier detect but the system doesn't know itAIMHI::DEROOTue Aug 07 1990 10:4313
    Thanks for all the help so far.
    
    I now have dtr and the system dials in and I get a carrier signal only
    the computer/modem/software doesn't seem to know it. When I press the
    data/talk button and listen on the phone I hear the carrier but
    handshake will have been telling me it was " waiting for carrier
    detect ". I have a feeling that it's in my serial port / handshake 
    setup parameters but haven't yet found it.
    
    But thanks to everyones help I am making a lot of progress on this.
    
    Thanks alot-
    Ken
3957.13MSVAX::BARRETTMost useful white thing at homeTue Aug 07 1990 10:583
    If all else fails you might try changing the cable so that the CD
    line on the Amiga end is tied to the DTR or DSR line of the modem.
    That will "force" CD anytime the modem is functioning.