Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    I often use "tape" as a source of information and have no problem's
    finding the data I am after.True many new members have a problem
    using,and finding some utilities,but this is not the function of
    tape as I see it. Someone has offered to supply disk space,AND time
    to hold the great amount of data that the amiga community generates.
    This data has been stored in subdirectories that give a good indication
    of what is in each.I have followed this note conference for a long
    time,and if I see a note asking about arc,zoo,upload,etc i don't
    bother to answer anymore.All thes issues have been beaten to death
    in this notes file.If the requester would take time to read the
    notes,and to learn how to use notes many of these redundent notes
    would not have been necessary.In regard to the different formats
    that are used to compress data for the amiga I can understand how
    some people feel it is inconvient.However I think it is easier to
    maintain zoo,arc,lharc on your operating system than to expect a
    person that spend their time,and money downloading a file from a
    BBS to have to convert the file before loading it on the net.I am
    not in a posistion to upload much to the net(don't have modem)
    but I feel I can contribute by using the different utilities if
    it saves the poster some time.My knowledge of the vax is nil so
    I can't comment on using the utilities on the vax except to once
    again say it should be the final users responsibility to see the
    utility runs on his system.The number of available revisions of
    operating systems(now including ultrix) seem to make this so.
    As for docs much of the stuff on the net never had any to speak
    of,and as PD it is not always author supported,if it is sharware
    then many times the complete docs are not released with the shareware
    package.I gusee you could sum it up by saying "you get what you
    pay for". I get on the most part quality PD software for free thru
    the efforts of others on the net,and at that price I am in no posistion
    to say anything but thanks,keep it coming,and I'll do my part if
    I need to use the software.
    
    	This note may seem hardline but It is time people realized that
    too those downloading it is free but that is because the poster
    has already paid the freight.I can understand a question asking
    help with VT100 for xyz modem,but not "how do u use arc".If users
    want to use Public domain software then they will have to adjust
    to the downside(documentation,and format).
    							bill

I feel TAPE is great as is!  Any cleanup is just a bonus.  If you are having
trouble finding what you want try the following...


	$ DIR TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA...]/OUT=TAPE1.PD
	$ DIR TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]/OUT=TAPE2.PD
	$ DIR CGOU01::$83$DUB0:[PUBLIC.AMIGA...]/out=CGO.PD
	$ COPY TAPE1.PD,TAPE2.PD,CGO.PD ENET.PD
	$ EDIT ENET.PD

Then using the oldest database search in DEC do a "PF1 PF3" on the title you
are looking for (or partial title).

Works for me 8�)


...Ed

    
    
    	A clean-up of the AMIGA area has started. I have two people
    helping me. I hope to get everything out of the [upload] directory
    and into the [amiga...] structure. The Fish area is being worked on
    and we are looking into a better directory structure.
    
    	I'm interested in any suggestions.
    
    		Steve Peters
    		Tape System Manager
    

The first phase of the great Fish Tank (:-) reorganization has taken place.
Here's what happened:

TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH...] now contains all the fish disks from #1 thru #330,
except for the following:
	Disk 57		Replaced by Disk 97
	Disk 80		Replaced by Disk 90
	Disk 88		Disk 89 Claims its number 88 and there is no number 88.
			This is seen from a few sources for the disks.

The area is now set up as follows:
	Disks 001 thru 199 are in their own subdirectory as they have been.  That
			   is they are in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.FF%%%].  Most
			   of these are in multiple .zoo files.
	Disks 200 thru 249 are in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.Z200].
	Disks 250 thru 299 are in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.Z250].
	Disks 300 thru 330 are in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.Z300].
Disks 200 thru 330 are each in a single .zoo file.  They have been arranged in
groups of 50 for a couple of reasons:

	1) It is easier to copy multiple disks this way.
	2) It takes some of the strain off of TAPE:: and USER2: to have fewer
	   directories to scan thru.
	
TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISHDOC] has been renamed to TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.DOC].
Also, it has been updated thru disk #340.  The FISHDOC.ZOO file in this
directory is a .zoo archive of all the contents files thru disk #340.

-----Robert

Note:
TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH_OLD...] Contains some of the fish disks in .arc format.
Information on unpacking these is in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH_OLD]FRED-FISH.HELP.
Is there any reason for keeping this version of the fish disks?  There are only
76 disks there and the .zoo versions unpack faster and are smaller.  Please
email me with any reasons to keep them at OLDJON::GERBER

    Re: .4
    
    The contents files (CONTENTS.nnn) in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.DOC] are
    not world readable.
    
    Can someone correct the file protection, please.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Simon.

Re: .5
>>  The contents files (CONTENTS.nnn) in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA.FISH.DOC] are
>>  not world readable.
    
   Fixed....

    An ACL applied to the directories would eliminate most protection
    problems...
    
    $ SET ACL USER2:[AMIGA...]*.DIR;1 -
        /ACL=(DEFAULT_PROTECTION,SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RE,WORLD:RE)
    $ SET ACL USER2:[000000]AMIGA.DIR;1 -
        /ACL=(DEFAULT_PROTECTION,SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RE,WORLD:RE)
    $!
    $!	You may want to set the UPLOAD directory as well....
    $ SET ACL USER2:[000000]UPLOAD.DIR;1 -
        /ACL=(DEFAULT_PROTECTION,SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RE,WORLD:RE)