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	I've uploaded FBM-09.ZOO to TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD], its USENET
	header is attached below.  Note - this archive expands to more
	than 988K bytes when unpacked (too much for one floppy).
						- Bruce Moore -
    

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Subject: v90i110: FBM 0.9 - Fuzzy BitMaps, a suite of bitmap manipulators, Part01/16
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Submitted-by: [email protected] (Kenn Barry)
Posting-number: Volume 90, Issue 110
Archive-name: util/fbm-0.9/part01
 
[ This appears to be based on FBM-0.9.  The last posted version I
  found was 0.94, and the current version available via ftp from
  nl.cs.cmu.edu is 0.96.  I compared the sources sent to me with those
  of 0.94 and the changes were minimal, so to avoid confusion I'll not
  post the now obsolete sources.  A diff is included for the curious.
 
  Also, since I had gone through the trouble of getting the FBM
  distributon from the archives, I've included preformatted versions of
  the manual pages (for the commands that had them).  ...tad ]
 
[ From the ``Features'' file, kinda long, but it's hard to describe
  all that FBM can do... ]
 
Inputs the following file formats
 
  o Sun rasterfiles	(1, 8, or 24 bits, color or grayscale)
  o GIF files		(1 to 8 bits, color or grayscale)
  o Amiga IFF files	(except HAM mode)
  o PCX files
  o PBM bitmaps
  o Face files		(CMU format for 1bit files by Bennet Yee)
  o FBM files		(my own format)
 
    (automatically determines input format, and uncompresses
     files compressed using 'compress')
 
Outputs the following formats
 
  o Sun rasterfiles
  o FBM files
  o GIF files		(mapped color only)
  o Amiga IFF files	(except HAM mode)
  o PBM			(1bit files only)
  o Face format		(1bit files only)
 
With input converter for
 
  o raw images (like Amiga Digi-View files)
 
With output converters for
 
  o PostScript         (1bit or 8bit grayscale files only)
  o Diablo graphics    (1bit files only)
 
Operations
 
  o Extract rectangle (optionally resizing and changing aspect ratio)
  o Change density and contrast (color and grayscale)
  o Rotate  90, 180, or 270 degrees
  o Quantize 24 bit RGB images to 8..256 colors
        Modified Heckbert median cut
  o Halftone grayscale using
        Ulichney's Blue Noise dithering
        Floyd-Steinberg dithering
        Jarvis's Constrained averaging
        Threshholding
  o Edge Sharpening by Digitial Laplacian (color or grayscale)
  o Convert color to grayscale (or compute "gray" colormap
        so grayscale images can be viewed on frame buffers)
  o Compute histograms of grayscale images
  o Sample 1bit images to convert to grayscale
 

    Thanks for uploading it - I'll download it tonight and test it for
    you!!
    
    This will make life a bit easier as Amgif will not support Extra
    Half-brite mode (64 colours) which is the format most of my pictures
    are in.
    
    Thanks again.  Shaun.
    

    This was a very timely topic -- I'm looking for a GIF -> IFF converter.
    Any around?

    re .4:
    try tape::user2:[upload]hamsharp14.lzh
    
    It takes awhile on 256 color VGA GIF pics, but usually does a nice job.
    I've only found two files it couldn't handle out of dozens.
    (those were displayable by hamgif and I used saveilbm to capture the
     screen into iff.)
    
    dennis
    

    I downloaded FBM-09.ZOO but almost had a heart attack at finding out
    that the decompressed size was >900KBytes. I only has a floppy system.
    
    But after a bit of playing around I managed to get the relevent files
    out of the archieve. The system is not as user friendly as I expected
    (it uses pipes and such for file I/O) but it certainly is functional. 
    It would be nice to see a version written with it using intuition
    screens and windows.
    
    Shaun.
    

    I was wondering what program is used on the IBM to print out a GIF
    picture?  I've done all of my graphics work at home to date on my
    Amiga, but I do a lot of transparencies.  Sitting up all night and
    sheet feeding transparencies into my LJ250 and then waiting 10-15
    minutes for it to print out is a pain.  It would be nice to convert
    them to GIF and print them out on the LJ250 on my VAXmate while
    I'm sitting at my desk at work doing other useful things.
    
    This probably belongs in the IBM notes files, but since the originator
    of this note wanted to do it, I thought someone might know.
    
    Terry
    

    re .7:
    I've been looking for one too for a while too.  The closest I've found
    is a shareware GIFDOT that prints GIF pictures from the screen to Epson
    compatible dot matrix printers.  Nothing for LJ250's.
    
    Has anybody found any MS-DOS IFF file viewers besides PCVIEW which only
    knows about 16 color EGA?  In particular, I'm looking for something
    that knows about the VGA 320x200 256 color mode.  Its a pain to have to
    convert them to GIF just to see them on a PC.
    
    regards,
    dennis

    How about 'printing' the image on the Amiga with output redirected to
    a file (via CMD)?  Then just copy the print file straight out to your
    printer at work...

    
    FASTGIF is what you want for viewing on an IBM PC I don't know if
    its PD or not.
    	I'll find out and if it is I'll upload it.
    	I'm going to be putting a lot of GIF pictures on line for about
    a week soon and I'll put that with it.
    
    		Watch this SPACE.....
    
    
    
    			Pete

    re: .10
    -----
    How about 'printing' the image on the Amiga with output redirected
    to a file (via CMD)?  Then just copy the print file straight out to your
    printer at work...
    ------
    
    I tried that once but when I sent the redirected file to the printer,
    I didn't get the right stuff.  It was so long ago, I can't remember
    what I got, just that it didn't work.  The redirected file was huge
    and it didn't seem acceptable to upload it via 1200 baud from home
    to the VAX then download to the VAXmate.  Now I have Dos2Dos it
    would probably work -- if I could get the redirected file to print
    out correctly!  Maybe I'll try again.

    	Has anybody been succesful converting IFF to GIF ? 
    
    	I tried AMGIF but it crashes my system. I tried fbcat from the
    FBM-09.zoo archive, but I get "unknown magic number 146".
    
    	Help !
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez

Hi,
   
>      	I tried AMGIF but it crashes my system. I tried fbcat from the

 
    The answer to this is that it uses a Hell of a lot of memory !!
    
    I have an A500 with 1Mb of memory and no Fat (or is that Obese) Agnus
    What I do is boot my original Workbench until just after the patch
    is put in then ^d or ^c it and then run amgif. 
        This then produces pictures after about 30 of your Earth Minutes.
    
    (Sorry but you know what Engineer's time is like )
    
    
    		Pete
    
    	

re .13:
    30 minutes?????  I couldn't get AMGIF to do anything but crash on
    a 2.5mb A1000.  Something else must be different in your configuration.
    
    I have a bunch of GIF pictures I converted from IFF HAM (Perfect
    Vision) but I can't remember what I used to do the conversion with
    right now.  It wasn't AMGIF, though.
    
    dennis

    re .13:
    
    Found it.  IFF2GIF, which is from some inside some GIF related archive
    I got from one of the fine collections on the easynet.
    I converted some IFF files to GIF last nite - they took about 2 minutes
    each.             
    
    dennis
    

    Sorry 
    	The Brain was not in Gear !!!
    
    	I was thinking of the other way ... GIF 2 IFF
    
    
    				Pete
    
    
    re  .15    TWO MINUTES What was it a single colour icon ?
    

    re. 17:
    Still hunting for where I got it from.
    
    Since its not obvious where, maybe I should upload it as IFF2GIF.ZOO
    so in the future it would be easier to find.
    
    The 2 minutes was approximate for a 32 color 320x400 picture that I had
    previously converted from GIF using GIF2IFF.  I was fixing a file
    called fantasy.gif (a cloaked horseman in a picture frame) that had
    distortions in the bottom 1/4 of the picture.
    I also converted Candelabra and Lake MandelBrot from (demos with CPM
    on a recent fish disk) to GIF - 640x512x16 colors, those took a bit
    longer.
    
    regards,
    dennis

    Just uploaded it.  TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]IFF2GIF.ZOO
    
    dennis
    

    
    Is there a problem with IFF2GIF.Zoo  I'm getting :
    

Archive wrkd1$:[callaghan.amiga]iff2gif.zoo;1:
Length    CF  Size Now  Date      Time
--------  --- --------  --------- --------
   10736  32%     7350  26 Jan 89 17:38:26 2f91   IFF2GIF
    8276  30%     5818  26 Jan 89 17:38:24 032d   ShowGIF
   23861  58%    10129  26 Jan 89 17:38:28 1968   gifstd.txt
    4615  48%     2398  26 Jan 89 17:38:32 dba1   whatsgif.txt
Zoo:  FATAL:  Archive wrkd1$:[callaghan.amiga]iff2gif.zoo;1:  Directory entry in archive is invalid.
--------  --- --------  --------- --------
   47488  46%    25695     4 files
    
    
    
    when I attempt to ZOO -l it on my VMS 5.3-1 system.
    
    
    			Suggestions?
    
    							Jack
    

Jack,

A guess is that you need to do a

	 CVTARC U IFF2GIFF.ZOO

This will change the record format to Stream-LF, It is probably 510-fixed at the
moment, which is what you need for Kermit. For X/Z-Modem, and running ZOO etc
on the VAX, you need Stream-LF.

Lindsay

    
    
    Thanks Lindsay!!
    
    	Got it CVTARC'd and then shipped down to my 2000.  
    
    	Did the convert of a GREAT Romulan Warbird IFF and
    	KERMIT'ed the GIF back to my system.
  
    	(Kermit settings:   SET FILE TYPE BLOCK, the rest default)
      
    	File looks like :
    
    	R21.GIF;1                     File ID:  (64660,5,0)
    Size:          159/160        Owner:    [CALLAGHAN]
    Created:  17-SEP-1990 23:14:46.38
    Revised:  17-SEP-1990 23:24:22.24 (1)
    Expires:   <None specified>
    Backup:   18-SEP-1990 03:29:23.10
    File organization:  Sequential
    File attributes:    Allocation: 160, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0
                        No version limit
    Record format:      Variable length
    Record attributes:  None
    RMS attributes:     None
    Journaling enabled: None
    File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:
    Access Cntrl List:  None
     
    
    
    	Ran UTOX to look at it and got:
    
    
    DATONA_[CALLAGHAN]>>utox r21.gif/gif
    X Toolkit Warning: Widget class DwtPixel version mismatch:
      widget 7001 vs. intrinsics 11003
    
     GIF data read failed
    Error reading GIF file
    DATONA_[CALLAGHAN]>
    
    	The toolkit warning is just because I'm running a utox for VMS 5.4
    	on a VMS 5.3-1	system, get it all the time.  
    
    	But the GIF DATA READ FAILED has me puzzled.
    
    	Any suggestions?
    
    
    							Jack

    
    Do other GIF pictures work Ok ?
    
    If so suggest a post to the UTOX notes file
    
    		-Pete-
    

    
    
    	Yep, other gifs work fine.
    
    	I will post to UTOX, but first I'd like to find out if
    	anyone has successfully done the translation and display,
    	or has any settings/reccommendation. Otherwise the UTOX
    	noters will be pointing at IFF2GIF, (:-|) and then I'm
    	catch-22'd.
    
    					in a puzzle,
    							Jack
    

    Try running it through CVTARC to put it into "Unix" format...

    
    	Hmmmmmm.....
    
    	found it!!
    
    		Was shipping it on a 9.6 connection and got some
    	line hits in the first few characters.
    
    	So I zoo'ed it, shipped it, unzooed it and AOK.
    
    			Thanks to all for comments, 
    					Jack

    
    just wondering,
    
    are the sources for iff2giff anywhere
    
    Gary

    Any new developments in the IFF to GIF conversion.  Iff2Gif works fine
    on Low res 32 color and Hires 16 color.  But Amgif crashes with a Stack
    overflow.  This is on a 2000 5MB WB 1.3 and I tried WB 1.2 just for
    grins.  Just though I would try the PD route one more time before
    looking for something in the commercial world.  I had the same problem
    as .12 using the PBM programs.
    
    
    Alan
    
    

    I gave up the pd stuff in favor of ADPRO. I don't see any program (PD
    or otherwise) that will give the results offered by this program. 
    Not only is the picture quality excellent but it converts both ways,
    and allow controll over pallette, size, etc. I have been converting
    a lot of stuff lately including .TIFF, and Targa. (I still have to
    play with my Targa stuff, and I don't have a display device for Targa)
    Targa on VGA looks just like a 24bit pic in ham so I think it will be
    fine.
    								bill

Is ADPRO short for something else?  I looked through my buyers guide and could
not find anything like it.  There is a series AD Profesional programs. The total
package of three floppies is around $400.00

A little more than I wanted to spend.  Since all I need it for so far is to 
put family photos on my VAX Station at work.  Of course since I did this 
every body that sees it wants one for theirs.  

Any body know of a IFF file display program for VMS?

ADPRO is for "Art Department Professional". It's around $130.00

john

    If you can scan your pictures on the vax, then you can read them into
    UTOX using the .DDIF option.
    
    Choose DDIF, then change the file filter to *.img (i believe sanners
    leave scanned images in .IMG).
    
    Alternativly you can first run PAINT on the workstation, tidy up the
    picture, then read into UTOX to save onto either your DECWINDOWS
    screen or you DECWINDOWS PAUSE screen.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Regards,
    
    				Lewis.

    Thanks Lewis.   But I do not have a scanner on my Vax just a Digi View 
    on my Amiga.  So I am still stuck with IFF or Digi views RGB format to
    start with.  So unless I go the comercial route I must stick with 16
    colors or 32 colors.
    
    Alan