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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3554.0. "Help -- HardDisk installation problems" by ENOVAX::BARRETT (Of Optical Mice and Men...) Tue Mar 06 1990 11:56

    I've had several problems come up during my attempt to add a second
    disk to my system, and could really use some help and info.



    My current configuration:

    Amiga 2000 (rev 4.x) w/ XT bridgeboard. A Western Digital XT disk
    controller (small board) and a Miniscribe 30meg 3.5" (338 I believe)
    drive mounted as a hardcard.


    My Goal:

    Connect an RD32 (40meg Seagate ST-251) disk as a second unit on that
    controller and use it mainly for the Amiga (via JANUS). According to
    information I have, this disk has 6 heads and 820 cyls (is this per
    head???) and 17 tracks.


    Project Description:

    1) I correctly cabled everything up and set the jumper on the RD32 to
    	be unit #2 -- also avoiding the need to "twist" a few of the wires
    	in the 34 conductor ribbon cable.

    2) I first use a Disk Manager utility system by SEAGATE. With this,
    	I verified the disk's defective list. When I attempted to configure
    	this as an ST-251, I got an error stating that the controller
    	must be jumpered to support dis-similar drives (or something like
    	that). Since I have absolutely no documentation on this controller
    	(it has several jumpers), and playing with the jumper
    	variations produce nothing useful, I abandon this utility --
    	believing that if I get this drive to work I won't be able to
    	address all 40 meg of it.

    	FIRST QUESTION: Does anyone have ANY documentation that will help
    	me understand this controller (or controllers in general)? The
    	non-unit select jumpers on it were like:


    		: :	||::::::	<--- two 3 pin jumpers (top 
    		. .			     two pins on each connected), 8
    					     two pin jumpers (first 2
    					     connected)

    			=		<--  One 2 pin jumper with cap)

    				|	>-- One 2 pin jumper with cap)


    	SECOND QUESTION: IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE CONTROLLER WILL LIMIT
    	HOW MUCH I CAN ADDRESS ON THE DISK?

    2) Using DEBUG; I jump to the controller's formatter. I dynamically
    	configure the disk to be a 820 x 6. I choose interleave 3 because
    	of popularity and because the SEAGATE utility intended to do this
    	(the controller's default suggested interleave of 4).
    	The disk formats - reporting a total of 1023 cyls available.
    	(The miniscribe had 939 with 4 heads).

    3) I create the Amiga partition, use DJMOUNT/DPFORMAT, and the format
    	fails with a bad block at cyl 178 (this was in the defect table).
    	All attempts on my part to get the Ami to accept this cyl fail.
    	A format of an IBM partition over the same area correctly
        re-directs the access. I'm forced to create 2 smaller partitions,
    	omitting this cyl. Further attempts reveal that there is one more
        cyl on the disk that the Amiga won't accept -- forcing me to
    	split the disk into 3 partitions.

    	WHY COULDN'T I GET THE AMIGA TO CORRECTLY RE-DIRECT THESE CYLS?
    	IT DOES FOR THE BAD AREAS ON THE MINISCRIBE DISK. WHY IS THE XT
    	HAPPIER WITH THIS DISK THAN THE AMIGA?


    4) After placing software on the disk I find that some gets corrupt.
    	A real verification comes when I display an IFF picture on the
    	disk and see 3 half-inch horizontal lines in it. I decide to
    	reformat the disk at interleave 4 -- the value the controller
    	suggested as default.

    	ANYBODY SHED LIGHT ON THIS?

    5) I reformat the drive, copy the picture, and look at it. It looks OK.
    	This is how I left things so far -- I haven't re-loaded all the
    	software to it to see if all is well now.


    Can someone further my education in these matters? Has anyone tried
    this?


    				Thanks, thanks, thanks...
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3554.1Still HopefulENOVAX::BARRETTOf Optical Mice and Men...Tue Mar 06 1990 15:5550
    The following reply was a result of some EMAIL communications. I'm
    still pretty much in the dark -- especially concerning the controller
    jumpers.
    
    						Thanks in advance, Keith
    
    
>From:	NDLVAX::ISTURM        6-MAR-1990 12:47:07.34

    
>what kind of wd controller you are using a 1002, 1003, 1004 or......

I don't know. I'll look at the board, but if it's not etched in I have no
way of knowing.


>... it looks like , the controller will use drive 0ne's parameters
>also for drive two...

Does this need to be true -- can I change this by jumper settings? I am
using 2 totally different drives.



>if you use debug and you set 

>tracks  heads wrpreomp readprecomp eccbits steprate

> 820      6     820       820         11     5

>is it the one you use? Or do you use

> 820      6     410        410        11      5

    
    I only specified the 820 x 6 values and left the rest blank. What should
    I use? The SEAGATE disk maintenance program recommended precomp values of
    65535, but this is too large for the format program to accept. And why
    DOES the maintenance program report that I must change the configuration
    jumpers because the drives are different?


>and on point 3 , if i read you use dpformat somewhat of your sw must be old..
>to old..

    I have the new JANUS already -- but haven't installed it yet. It shouldn't
    make a difference to my problem as far as I know. The Amiga FORMAT (when I
    get it to run) program fails on the same cyl number. Besides -- why
    does the Dpformat program correctly handle a bad spot on the
    Miniscribe, but not the RD32? Tends to say I'm doing something wrong.
3554.2Here's more info -- still need helpENOVAX::BARRETTOf Optical Mice and Men...Wed Mar 07 1990 08:3218
    The Controller is a Western Digital 1002-27x. Does anyone have
    documentation on this? How about jumper layouts? How do I tell it
    to allow dis-similar drives?
    
    I tried the debug formatter suggestion values in the previous reply
    for a dynamic definition -- didn't make any difference; the amiga
    format still failed to redirect the bad sector.
    
    I played around some more and discovered that the reason for the large
    lines across the IFF file and other data coruption was because I had
    the mountlist entry defined for 4 heads instead of 6. It had nothing to
    do with interleave.
    
    I'm stlll at a loss for understanding why I must divide the RD32 into 3
    pieces because the Amiga formatter dies on 2 particular sectors.
    
    
    						Thanks in advance
3554.3Getting closerENOVAX::BARRETTOf Optical Mice and Men...Wed Mar 07 1990 17:2918
    
    I love this ENET!!! The 1002-27x controller documentation is on-line; I
    found it through the IBM-PC notesfile. Now those jumpers aren't a mystery
    :-). In fact, it looks like ALL the Western Digital stuff is there.
    
    Still leaves the question about why the Amiga wouldn't format across
    those 2 bad spots. I'll finish the installation up tonight (since I
    think it'll at least work with the 3 partition definitions). If I
    discover anything I'll post it here.
    
    
    QUESTION:
    
    	Does anyone know the true number of heads and transfer rate of the
    RD32 (ST-251)?? I seem to have conflicting documentation.
    
    						Thanks!!
    
3554.4WJG::GUINEAUWed Mar 07 1990 17:235
RD32 has 6 heads (0-5) and 820 cylinders (0-819). Pack as many sectors
as you can! (16-18 MFM, maybe more for RLL...)

John
3554.5Only Partial SuccessENOVAX::BARRETTOf Optical Mice and Men...Mon Mar 12 1990 15:5721
	Everything I tried produced situations that caused an eventual R/W error
on the Amiga side -- this includes controller jumper changes and mountlist
modifications. Only one thing produced reliable results::

	I formatted the disk (using DEBUG) the same as the Miniscribe unit
#1 (30 meg x 4 heads) by accepting default answers and keeping the mountlist
entry the same for both drives. So even though the ST drive is 40meg x 6 heads,
producing 1023 cyls -- I ended up using only 4 heads/30meg/939 cyls. The
result being that I can't reference 8 meg of that drive.

	I received documentation from Western Digital and now have all the
jumper descriptions. I see that the Sn jumpers should allow 2 drives to
be configured differently, but I'm not sure what the settings should be and
I'm not energetic about opening my system again.

	Any disk guru's out there? What should my jumpers be?

    
    						kgb