Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    
    The Mac SE absolutely cannot do anything tha Amiga can do, and anyone
    who insists that it CAN is delerious.  Put him into this notes
    conference and I'll tell him that to his face, as it were.
    
    Likewise, the Amiga cannot do anything a Mac SE can do.  They are two
    different computers with only some things in common.
    
    If someone wants to pay upwards of $2K for a puny monochrome,
    single-tasking toaster oven, then that's fine with me.  I'll laugh all
    the way to the bank.
    
    Ed.

    re: "There are more Macs than Amigas"
    
    Tell him that there are more people driving Pintos than Cadillacs.

 
  And why won't Commodore do price comparisons in the comercials...
  especially advertise thier Educational Discount.
   I don't understand, are they worried about retaliation from the established
  companies? Is it such a delicate balance that they won't risk getting the 
  the ire of I.B.M. or Apple, and then have to face those company's commercials
  that might try to demean the Amiga??
   Is it a gentlemans agreement, that if you don't sling mud, we won't???
   I'd like to see Commodore get more aggressive!!!!
   Get Joe Izuzu!

 	I can see it now.....
   "Ask him why it costs hundreds of dollars more than an Amiga!"
                                                            
	 I don't know, maybe I just don't know anything about advertising.
     
    	RE:-1 and in this situation the Pinto costs more than the Cady

					 		   Ed

    re:.3
    
    I think they don't like to mention price because of two things:
    
    1. the lead times on the ads, you may changed prices by the time
       the ad comes out.
    
    2. It makes you look like the a "cheaper" version of the same thing.
       Not something unique, just cheaper.  That starts the questions
       about what you left out or why is their cost so high.
    
    Atari has run ads that compare costs, I don't know how effective
    they were.
                                                            
    -Dave

    	The Mac won't do anything an Amiga will do? And worse, an Amiga
    won't do anything a Mac will do?  OK, there are a few very specific
    things that one will do and the other not - an Ami will choke on
    Mac QuickDraw commands - but there really isn't any task that one
    can do that the other can't pretty much emulate. Except run multiple
    sessions. Now, if you start talking price comparisons, there are
    LOTS of things the Mac can't do unless it has more buck$ in add-ons
    than were spent for the Amiga system. Still, if you throw enough
    green at it, the Mac can accomplish almost anything. 
    	There are more Macs than Amigas because the Mac had a better
    management team and marketing plan working for it early on and it
    never gave up the lead. It is truely unfortunate that two of the
    three 680x0 systems are not clones of the third, or that the three
    are not at least minimally compatible. The entire family would be
    much stronger if there were some standard that users could see in
    place. Like the MS-DOS standard (but better, of course). It may
    be nice that the three have such diverse personalities and
    capabilities, but that need not have been bought at the expense
    of a major share of the market. "PC"s often sell solely on the basis
    of the installed base of compatible hardware, else how could they
    compete with our personal favorites? 'Nough rambling, time to go
    home. 

    Their are more IB* clones than Macs for the Same reason there are
    more macs than Amigas. They have been around longer,and a large
    percent of society is computer illiterate. I get weary of hearing
    people compare my 2000 to systems costing more than double the price.
    	I bought my sony reciever,and my speakers into shop,and hooked
    it up too the 1000. Everyone was blown away by the into to "shadow
    of The Beast". I can digitize pictures(digiview),sound(perfect sound),
    and also have a drawing tablet. on my budget if I had bought a Mac
    I barely have base Se.Too me the Amiga was my only possible choice,
    and no matter what others sayfor me "Amiga really made it possible"
    				
    							bill
    PS. Lets look at it this way. Give a group of people 2500.00 each
    and tell them to go buy a computer with stereo sound,multitasking,speech,
    and color graphics,complete with moniter.What choices do they have?
    Software is the deciding factor and were coming on stronger every
    day.

    Bill,
    	when I want to tick off my local Mac-a-holic I show him the
    pretty colored pictures (only 640x200) I can call up on my C=128D.
    When feeling particularly unkind I run by an automated show - in
    color - for him. Now, any Amiga or Mac can manage as much - and
    more - but not for under $1250 (half what you quoted). And you think
    YOU get tired of folks bragging about their $5K Macs and '386 monsters,
    my entire sound and color machine goes (well, went) for no more
    than they would have to spend for the least expensive low-res
    monochrome system possible for them. The Mac, at least, can match
    my sound. Can the clone say anything but "beep"?

    re: .7
    
    Yes, clones can do more than beep.  Somebody even figured out how
    to get digitized speech out of that tiny speaker.  But to get stereo
    you need to buy a board.
    
    But enough of the nit picking.  The big strength the Amiga line
    has is the high level of features standard in every amiga.
    It doesn't need add-on stuff to make it into a reasonable system.
    (well... adding a harddisk makes it even more reasonable :-) )
    
    -Dave

    I'm not easily impressed, but when I heard an Apple II SPEAKING trough
    it's one bit speaker, I was!  It's nice to see the systems available
    now doing soo much, but they need custom chips, oodles of memory... now
    picture a business running on a 4k 11/15, or 64 users on a BIG 64K
    PDP-15, with fast response time too!
    
    Oh I saw some really nice pictures displayed on a 386 with whateverGA
    and a multisync monitor, but I'm sure just the add ons would cost more
    than my Amiga.
    
    Jean
    

  
  Hmmmm,
	 I wonder how feasible it would be to make either a light or sound
 based input device for 3D-Modeling, lets say sound, since I think it would 
 be cheaper (yes/no?).
	 Lets take an apple put it on a open faced platform turn on the unit
 and get whats equivalent to a rough 3d output.
  With output perhaps not unlike, those plaques with all the tiny bars on them
 that you can place your hand against and get a good impression on the
 opposite side.
							ED