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| 3513.1 | 2000->3D is fine without f/fixer | UBEAUT::MANDERSON | Monday oneday, Tuesday the next | Thu Feb 22 1990 17:46 | 10 |
| I have a 2000 and an NEC 3D (but no flickerfixer). Needs a special
cable to suit the pinouts (some suppliers may have stocks I had mine
made up) but that no big deal. If you want it I'll pull the shells off
the plugs and reply with the pin-pin connections (unless someone else
has them handy).
Works fine, and most times I don't mind the flicker too much.
regards
Kevin.
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| 3513.2 | TAXAN monitor works! | GIDDAY::MORAN | I'm not Bad - I'm just drawn that way! | Thu Feb 22 1990 23:42 | 13 |
| I have a TAXAN multi-sync monitor. I made the cable myself by just
looking at the pin outs between the two devices. Fromm memory I hooked
up RGB (analog) for the amiga to the RGB pins on the monitor as well as
an ground for these signals. Also needed was the composite synce
siganl from the amiga as yu will not get a display on a multi-synce
monitor without some sort of sync signal.
BTW - I tried out the setup on a friend's new A500 which has the ECS
(Enhanced Chip Set) and it works fine. The synce rate changes perfectly
( I usedd the AMAX emulator as the software for it).
Shaun.
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| 3513.3 | ??? | LEDS::ACCIARDI | Larger than life, and twice as ugly | Fri Feb 23 1990 00:42 | 16 |
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> BTW - I tried out the setup on a friend's new A500 which has the ECS
> (Enhanced Chip Set) and it works fine. The synce rate changes perfectly
> ( I usedd the AMAX emulator as the software for it).
Whoa, are you sure that your friend's A500 had a Super Denise, and not
just a Super Agnus? The full ECS is not (to my knowledge) released
yet, but the Super Agnus is available and has been shipping in volume
for some time. In addition to the Super Denise, you'd need some new
graphics libraries to engage 400 line non-interlaced. These new
routines would only be available under 1.4.
Ed.
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| 3513.4 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Fri Feb 23 1990 09:58 | 11 |
| I'm also looking into a MultiSync for 1.4.
I've pretty much decided on the Mitsubishi Diamond Scan.
There are 2 models of this monitor. One is 13" the other is 14". I'd
prefer the 14" one if it will work across the board - i.e. with and with out
the ECS and in all Amiga (current and 1.4) modes.
Anyone have experience with these monitors?
John
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| 3513.5 | | ELWOOD::PETERS | | Fri Feb 23 1990 10:20 | 10 |
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re .4
I have been using a Mitsubishi Diamond scan. It works with or
without the flicker fixer. I picked it over the NEC 3D because it
also has a composite video in, that I use with some of my other
video equipment.
Steve Peters
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| 3513.6 | Like that DiamondScan | WHAMMY::SPODARYK | Binary Throttle | Fri Feb 23 1990 10:22 | 23 |
| I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan (1381 whatever). It's the 14" model,
and I've been quite happy with it. Keep in mind that it doesn't have
any audio input/speakers, so you'll need your own amp/speakers to hear
your Amiga.
Also, it seems that the display could be brighter. On the 'normal' settings,
mine's too dim, so I keep it turned almost all the way up to suit my tastes.
It's got all the controls for enlarging/shrinking/moving the display around.
I believe the max res is ~800x600, so no problem supporting even the super-
hires-dynamic pictures we've been seeing recently. You will need a special
cable, and I ordered mine from Redmond. No idea about the ECS, but I
wouldn't expect any problems. The DiamondScan is very flexible when it
comes to scanning ranges, etc, and should work fine.
This monitor compared very favorably (in the magazines) with it's competition.
I really didn't realize what a nice display it had until I started running
some of the hi-res fractal generators, then the quality really showed.
Also, it's been ON for the past several months (really year and a half),
and no problems yet.
Steve
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| 3513.7 | Diamond Scan is the prefered monitor...
| NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Fri Feb 23 1990 16:51 | 25 |
| Another vote here for the diamondscan; and I have a 3D too, so I should know!
The model of the 14" (the one I think everyone here has) is the 1381AUM.
I have heard there is a model 1382AUM that is supposed to have slower phosphers
and thus less flicker. I recall discussing this with one of the Memory
Location guys and the opinion is this monitor exists, but noone has seen
it in person. Still, I am happy with the flicker performance of the 1381.
One of the factors on this monitor is the support from Mitsubishi. I spoke
with a rep on the phone about "touching up" the display adjustments. He was
very helpful about how to go about it and assured me that opening the case
and adjusting it would not void the warranty.
With the help of the controls inside it is possible to have an overscan display
at high scan rates (vga rates). This is very uncommon for a multisynch and
a welcome feature for one who values using every square centimeter of available
phosphor.
The only negative is the cable I got from Redmond cable caused a slight
magenta fringe. They replaced it at no charge with a coax based cable. The
cable is moderately expensive since the synch lines must be buffered to keep
the load from telling the Amiga it is genlocked. This is just a MSI chip located
in the DB23 connector hood.
-SES
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| 3513.8 | | TALLIS::MCAFEE | Steve McAfee | Fri Feb 23 1990 18:28 | 6 |
| The maximum resolution on the NEC 3D is 1280x768. Anyone know if this
will work with the paneled mode which the viking monitor supports?
Of course it would probably be too small to read :-)
- steve
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| 3513.9 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Fri Feb 23 1990 18:42 | 6 |
| Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. Looks like a 14"
Mitsubishi Diamond Scan will soon compliment my Amiga setup!
Now if Uncle Sam would just hurry up :-)
John
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| 3513.10 | 16 ", too. | DWOMV2::CAMPBELL | | Sun Feb 25 1990 23:45 | 3 |
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There's also a 16" model.
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| 3513.11 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Mon Feb 26 1990 11:43 | 7 |
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> There's also a 16" model.
Yeh! Nice but big $$$$ (I think $1500?)
John
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| 3513.12 | | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Mon Feb 26 1990 16:39 | 8 |
| <<< Note 3513.11 by WJG::GUINEAU >>>
> There's also a 16" model.
I think it also does not synch below 20khz... (the diamondscan I saw anyway)
-SES
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| 3513.13 | | TALLIS::MCAFEE | Steve McAfee | Mon Feb 26 1990 17:04 | 54 |
|
I saw this in the IBMPC notes file. You'd have to use this with the
flickerfixer or the new productivity mode when it becomes available
as it won't scan below 28Hz, but the price looks good. Someone might
want to give it a shot.
Sorry for the rathole...
- steve
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CSSE::SCOTT "Better living through electrical stuff" 36 lines 23-FEB-1990 09:46
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For Sale:
Mitsubishi 19" RGB Monitor
You know the type. A big cube with a little drawer in front
overflowing with controls for linearity and such. 28-34 Khz
horizontal scan rate for all you VGA card owners.
Advantages:
- This is of an Adage image processing system and has had very
little use. As you might expect, there is no comparison
between this type of monitor and the "home" quality analog
monitors.
- It is in very good condition; no CRT markings.
- On a monitor this size, viewing of an AutoCAD drawing is no longer
like an imitation of Dr. Quincy searching for textile samples.
Disadvantages:
- The price to be paid for quality appears to be weight in. The
case is made of steel rather than plastic and has four built-in
handles. I'm guessing that it weighs somewhere around 80-90
pounds.
Price:
$250 OBO NH/MA area only. I will drive only so far to deliver
it. If you want it shipped then you need to know:
1. UPS can't take it.
2. It'll cost between $60-$110 for shipping to US
destinations via Roadway or Carolina. And that is without
insurance!
3. Fork lift or pallet jack required. :{)
Robert Scott CSSE::Scott DTN 276-8854
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| 3513.14 | How about Sony KV-20XBR-II ??? | CGOO01::PINTER | Just the VAX, ma'am. Just the VAX | Mon Feb 26 1990 20:50 | 11 |
| Um. While on the subject of multi-sync support... does anyone have an idea as
to how compatible my Sony XBR-II monitor/TV (u know, with the 34 pin RGB plug on
the back) would be when used with the 1.4 flicker free hi-res?
It's supposed to support 600 lines resolution, and would look stunning when/if
I build/buy the interface cable. The owners manual doesn't include scan rates,
etc., but I'd be very interested to hear any insights/experiances from folks
who've hooked this box up.
Thanks,
/Pete
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| 3513.15 | Secret Screen Size Controls? | TLE::RMEYERS | Randy Meyers | Mon Feb 26 1990 21:15 | 31 |
| Re: .7
>With the help of the controls inside it is possible to have an overscan display
>at high scan rates (vga rates). This is very uncommon for a multisynch and
>a welcome feature for one who values using every square centimeter of available
>phosphor.
I am the only person I've every met that didn't like the DiamondScan.
I once owned one briefly (two days) before returning it.
The problem I had with it is that it shrinks the picture slightly
(at least when used with a FlickerFixer) so that there is a large
border around the image. Text on the DiamondScan was 10% to 20%
smaller that I was use to seeing from my Amiga.
The controls on the DiamondScan that allowed you adjust the horizontal
and vertical width of the display had a smaller range than on many other
monitors. I just couldn't spread the text out enough to make me comfortable
with the display.
After reading .7, I wonder if other controls would have allowed me to
perform the needed (in my opinion) adjustments. Care to comment Steve?
By the way, I ended up getting a single scan VGA monitor--the Zenith
Flatscreen. In addition to having controls that allow the greatest
spread of the screen image of any of the monitors I looked at, it
has the most breath-taking colors (bright and saturated). The
fact that the monitor was expensive and single frequency (ties me
to a FlickerFixer for output) has always made me sure I'd live to
regret buying it. But, so far I've been very pleased. That may
change when the ECS comes out...
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| 3513.16 | | TALLIS::MCAFEE | Steve McAfee | Mon Feb 26 1990 21:43 | 18 |
| A friend of mine has a Taxon multisync monitor (770?) with a flicker
fixer and one thing very nice about it is the ability to adjust the
display to fit the entire screen. It also has an overscan switch which
causes the display to shrink inward about 1 inch from the edge. This
can be flipped at any time.
There have been some comments that the display on this monitor is
affected by temperature as it warms up, but from experience with
my friend's all I can say is that after about 10 minutes of being
on it looked rock solid and I didn't notice any change whatsoever
over several hours.
The monitor's biege case also matches the amiga nicely. If you can
find one on display somewhere it couldn't hurt to take a look...
My friend bought his at the Memory Location. If I ever take the
plunge, I will probably consider this one myself.
- steve
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| 3513.17 | Diamondscan is quite flexible | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Mon Feb 26 1990 22:31 | 14 |
| Re: 15
> After reading .7, I wonder if other controls would have allowed
> me to perform the needed (in my opinion) adjustments. Care to
> comment Steve?
It is as in the quoted portion of .7 in your reply. Indeed, the
Diamondscan can be adjusted to have no border at flicker fixer scan
rates (VGA). There are two seperate internal width controls: one for
low scan rates (below 20khz) and one for high scan rates. The high
one I adjust to near max and the low one to near min. I get the
screen rather filled at all scan rates.
-SES
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| 3513.18 | Some commercial info...reprinted without... | DWOMV2::CAMPBELL | | Tue Feb 27 1990 00:09 | 25 |
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Re: .11, oops, you're right.
From a CompuAdd catalog (800)627-1967.
Mitsubishi 1381 Dia Scan, 14"(13" viewable), 800x600, .31 dot pitch,
scan freq. 15.6-36khz, price $559.
Mitsubishi 16L Dia Scan, 16"(15"), 1280x1024, .31, 30-64khz, $1190.
Mitsubushi 20L Dia Scan, 20"(19"), 1280x1024, .31, 30-64khz, $2099.
NEC Multisync 2A, (13"), 800x600, .31, 31.5,35khz , $510.
NEC Multisync 3D, (13"'), 1024x768, .31 15.75-38khz, $675.
Seiko Instruments CM1440, (14"), .25, 31.5,35.5, $595.
Zenith CVGA, (14"), 640x480, .28, 31.5, $619.
CompuAdd CVGA (14"), 640x480, .31, 31.5, $359.
Don't know how the prices are, but I hope the comparisons help.
Dennis
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| 3513.19 | typo alert, re: -1 | DWOMV2::CAMPBELL | | Tue Feb 27 1990 00:11 | 3 |
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sorry, resolution on the Seiko is 1024x768.
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| 3513.20 | Sony XBR-II done deal | CGOA01::PINTER | Just the VAX, ma'am. Just the VAX | Sun Jun 10 1990 14:51 | 13 |
| Follow on to .14: I've built the interface cable to put the Sony KV-20XBR-II
on the Amiga, and the results are nothing less than stunning. Stereo sound
via detachable speakers completes the effect.
The monitor just barely fits atop my A1000, and with the 21" screen in front
of my nose, Falcon looks about as good as it gets.
Does anyone know if the Wild Copper crew ever finished their Demo? The version
I have has some bugs (but is still enough to knock the socks off most MACheads).
Send mail if you want details, Sony part numbers, etc...
/pjp
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