Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    A company called MicroEd makes several products for religious study,
    including the bible on disk (KJV). 2 other companies, "John 1:1
    graphics" and "Easy Script" also have KJV's on disk (it takes 7 to 9
    disks).
    
    John 1:1 Graphics
    PO Box 316		cute :-)
    Bellflower, CA  90706
    
    MicroEd
    PO Box 24750
    Edina MN 55424
    (214) 929-2242
    
    
    Easy Script
    10006 Covington Dr
    Huntsville AL  35803
    (205) 881-6297
    
    
    I sould also point out that since the bible is often available in ASCII
    text format for computers - a copy from almost any machine type might
    do. There are several PD copies of the KJV in the IBM PC world.
    Unfortunately, I don't have any. If you come across any PD copies; I'd
    like to get one myself.
    
    
    			{kgb}

    I saw a package at System Eyes. It's name is "Bible Reader'. I believe
    it is the King James version,but amnot sure.I think the price is
    around 45.00,but again am not sure.I'll get the info if you like.
    								bill

>    do. There are several PD copies of the KJV in the IBM PC world.

	Huh ?   Does anyone believe that a publisher can copyright 
		this ?   Some annotations, maybe, but the original 
		text ?

	R

    Re <several>:
    
    I've seen versions of Bible text/lookup software for various types of
    home/personal computers, though I haven't gone looking for one for the
    Amiga.  Most seem to include the King James Version (presumably because
    it's uncopyrighted), but a few use other translations (e.g. NIV).
    
    Just having all that text in one (or two or 66) files is of virtually
    no help to anyone who wants to use it.  The value added by any of these
    software packages is a lookup system by citation and/or by text.

    Several companies offer software package programs that include a WP,
    Bible files, search utilities, cross-references, maps, etc etc. THESE are
    not often public domain and have to be purchased. Even an indexed file
    could be considered a proprietary database disk. So just because it's a
    disk with the bible on it does not necessarily mean PD. (BTW - translation
    variations don't really matter).
    
    Straight Bible text files can be freely obtained; and this is what I
    meant by PD. It is even encouraged to distribute this way to help 
    religious organizations, churches, etc. You may soon find, however,
    that just a text file and a search command aren't much of a study tool.
    It helps to have cross-refs, maps, comments, history, concordances,
    study guides, language translations, etc. Most of these are easily
    copyright-able.

I have the complete text of the King James version of the Bible
on Amiga floppies (I don't remember the number, but I think it
was surprisingly small: only 5 or so).

It's just text.  A file for every book of the Bible.  Each verse
is a separate line of the file prefixed by the Book, chapter, and
verse number of the verse.

The "small number of disks" actually contain .ARC files for the
books.  As I remember, each disk expands to two or three disks
when unarced.

I bought the disks a few years ago at a PD Disk table at the first
AmiExpo.

If someone is interested, I could try uploading the disks.

Since I'm a member of "the best database is Emacs searching a text
file" club, I don't see the need for a concordance.

    Yes Please upload them.
    It could be very useful.

Well, I've completed uploading the Bible, or what I have of it.
I remembered that there was some reason why I never finished
deARCing the Bible, but I didn't remember the reason.  It seems
that one of the disks I bought was a duplicate of another in
the set, so I am missing the first third of the Old Testament
(but then I have two copies of the second third :->).

I had bought the four disk set from Comp-U-Save at a public domain
table at the first AmiExpo two plus years ago.  I figured I'd
like to complete the set, so yesterday I called them up and
ordered the missing disk (I didn't try to get them to replace
the disk for free: I thought waiting two years before complaining
gave them the right to invoke the statute of limitations.)

Comp-U-Save was very surprised to have someone call up and order
a public domain disk since they don't advertise that service.
I got the impression that no one had ever ordered a PD disk
over the phone.  The woman that took my order seemed to be
unnerved at the prospect, and although she took my name,
address, and credit card number very professionally, she ended
the phone call with "And your disk will be send out to you... [pause]
Ah... [pause] I'm not exactly sure."

If I ever get the missing disk, I'll upload it.

The files are in:

TLE""::UPORT$:[RMEYERS.TRADE.BIBLE]

NEWTEST1.ARC;2      NEWTEST2.ARC;2      OLDTEST3.ARC;2      OLDTEST4.ARC;2     
OLDTEST5.ARC;2      OLDTEST6.ARC;2      README.;1           

Total of 7 files.

The original distribution consisted of four floppies.  Each floppy
contained two .ARC files and a readme file.

The readme file file was the same on every disk, and it is the README.
file in the above directory.

Each arc file when unpacked filled an AmigaDOS floppy.  When unpacked,
there is a separate file for each chapter of each book of the Bible.
Every verse is a separate line in a file, and each line is prefixed
by the book, chapter, and verse number of that line.

The AmigaDOS search command makes a fine tool to find particular
text, as does your favorite editor.

The files uploaded to VMS are in a format suitable for downloading
with XMODEM, or by viewing by VMSSWEEP.

    Thanks Randy,
    
    	You don't know of any PD or comercial come to that ,
    	Encyclopedias for the Amiga. ?
    
    		No NO Don't mention CD Roms
    
    			Pete
    

Re: .9

I don't even know of any encyclopedias for the Amiga including ones
on CD/ROM.

    
    Oh well just a passing thought .
       
    	I was under the impression that The Encyclopedia Britanica was 
    on CD, and that it worked out cheaper to buy a CD player and this CD
    than to buy the books !!
          (Not specifically aimed at Amiga Market )
    
    			Regards
    				Pete
    
    		

Re: .11

The Encyclopedia Britanica is available on CD.  However, the browser
for the text and pictures are specific to either the clones or the Mac.
I doubt that there is an AmigaDOS filesystem written to read the
CD/ROM either.

About it being cheaper to buy the CD/ROM version plus the CD/ROM driver
than the paper version of the encyclopedia, that's believable.  The
reason why DEC is pushing documentation on CD/ROMs is that it is
much cheaper for DEC to make and distribute documentation that way
rather than the traditional notebook set.  The CD/ROM version can
be produced much faster than (come out two or three months before) the
paper notebooks!

    Not only is producing documentation on CD faster and cheaper than
    traditional paper/manual systems but its a better use of resources.
    Think of all those trees that are being saved...:-)

    Nice to see plastics being used to save natural resources...