Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    It has been suggested that release dates for all disks should be
    added to the catalogue. 
    
    I have made provision for this improvement however, I need
    a little help from you lot. 
    
    Can anyone provide me with a reasonably accurate list of release
    dates for all current FF disks? 
    
    Thanks
    
    Phil

    It has been suggested that a cross reference showing which versions
    of certain programs are the latest versions available, would be handy.
    
    any ideas on how this could be accomplished from withing VAX DOCUMENT
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil

Re: .1

>>     Can anyone provide me with a reasonably accurate list of release
>>     dates for all current FF disks? 

Well, I used zoo to look at all the README/Contents files in all the
FF*.ZOO files on TAPE::, edited and sorted the output, and got the list
which is attached to the end of this note.


>>     It has been suggested that a cross reference showing which versions
>>     of certain programs are the latest versions available, would be handy.
>>     
>>     any ideas on how this could be accomplished from withing VAX DOCUMENT

I'm not convinced that DOCUMENT can be convinced to do this. HOWEVER, what you
could do is edit the SDML file to produce a file with a series of records that
contain the program name and the disk number is appears on. Then, sort the file
using the program name as the primary key, and the numeric disk number as the
secondary (arranged in descending order). Then I guess you edit the file again
to make each record a <TABLE_ROW>, etc etc.

EG: if you end up with a file with records of the format:

FFnnn Program Name.......

Then use

$SORT/KEY=(NUMBER:1,POSITION:7,SIZE:60)/KEY=(NUMBER:2,POSITION:3,SIZE:3)
    input output

The final edit will change each line to the format:

<TABLE_ROW>(Program Name.......\FFnnn)

Horrendous heh? Still, it could be automated!


Simon

-------encl-----FISH disk dates---------------------------------------------

Date of FISH disk FF001 is  9 Jan 86 
Date of FISH disk FF002 is  3 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF003 is 23 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF004 is 23 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF005 is 15 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF006 is 15 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF007 is 18 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF008 is 18 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF009 is 22 Jan 86
Date of FISH disk FF010 is  2 Feb 86
Date of FISH disk FF011 is  2 Feb 86
Date of FISH disk FF012 is 23 Feb 86
Date of FISH disk FF013 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF014 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF015 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF016 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF017 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF018 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF019 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF020 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF021 is 24 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF022 is 10 May 86
Date of FISH disk FF023 is 10 May 86
Date of FISH disk FF024 is 11 May 86
Date of FISH disk FF025 is 30 May 86
Date of FISH disk FF026 is 16 Jun 86
Date of FISH disk FF027 is 29 Jun 86
Date of FISH disk FF028 is 16 Jul 86
Date of FISH disk FF029 is 20 Jul 86
Date of FISH disk FF030 is 22 Jul 86
Date of FISH disk FF031 is 29 Aug 86
Date of FISH disk FF032 is 31 Aug 86
Date of FISH disk FF033 is  1 Sep 86
Date of FISH disk FF034 is  2 Sep 86
Date of FISH disk FF034 is 27 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF035 is  8 Sep 86
Date of FISH disk FF036 is 19 Oct 86
Date of FISH disk FF037 is 19 Oct 86
Date of FISH disk FF038 is 20 Oct 86
Date of FISH disk FF039 is 21 Jul 88
Date of FISH disk FF040 is 23 Oct 86
Date of FISH disk FF041 is 26 Nov 86
Date of FISH disk FF042 is 26 Nov 86
Date of FISH disk FF043 is 30 Nov 86
Date of FISH disk FF044 is  9 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF045 is  9 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF046 is  7 Dec 86
Date of FISH disk FF047 is 10 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF048 is 10 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF049 is 11 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF050 is 17 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF051 is 12 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF052 is 13 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF053 is 18 Jan 87
Date of FISH disk FF054 is 28 Feb 87
Date of FISH disk FF055 is  1 Mar 87
Date of FISH disk FF056 is  1 Mar 87
Date of FISH disk FF058 is 16 Mar 87
Date of FISH disk FF059 is  8 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF060 is  8 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF061 is  3 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF062 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF063 is 30 Mar 87
Date of FISH disk FF064 is  3 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF065 is 27 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF065 is  4 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF066 is 12 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF067 is 13 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF068 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF069 is 25 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF070 is  3 May 87
Date of FISH disk FF071 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF072 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF073 is 28 Apr 87
Date of FISH disk FF074 is  6 May 87
Date of FISH disk FF075 is 28 May 87
Date of FISH disk FF076 is 27 May 87
Date of FISH disk FF078 is 30 May 87
Date of FISH disk FF079 is  3 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF081 is 30 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF082 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF083 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF084 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF085 is 10 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF086 is  3 Jul 87
Date of FISH disk FF087 is  7 Jul 87
Date of FISH disk FF089 is 23 Jul 87
Date of FISH disk FF091 is 16 Aug 87
Date of FISH disk FF092 is 22 Aug 87
Date of FISH disk FF093 is 11 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF094 is 23 Aug 87
Date of FISH disk FF095 is 23 Aug 87
Date of FISH disk FF096 is  3 Sep 87
Date of FISH disk FF097 is  1 Sep 87
Date of FISH disk FF098 is  2 Sep 87
Date of FISH disk FF099 is 11 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF100 is 11 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF101 is 11 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF102 is  6 Sep 87
Date of FISH disk FF103 is 22 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF104 is 11 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF105 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF106 is 18 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF107 is 31 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF108 is 31 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF109 is 28 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF110 is 28 Oct 87
Date of FISH disk FF111 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF112 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF113 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF114 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF115 is 22 Nov 87
Date of FISH disk FF116 is 22 Nov 87
Date of FISH disk FF117 is 13 Apr 88
Date of FISH disk FF118 is  3 Dec 87
Date of FISH disk FF119 is 23 Dec 87
Date of FISH disk FF120 is 28 Dec 87
Date of FISH disk FF121 is 31 Dec 87
Date of FISH disk FF122 is  9 Sep 88
Date of FISH disk FF123 is  1 Jan 88
Date of FISH disk FF124 is 31 Dec 87
Date of FISH disk FF125 is  1 Jan 88
Date of FISH disk FF126 is  2 Jan 88
Date of FISH disk FF127 is  1 Jan 88
Date of FISH disk FF128 is  2 Jan 88
Date of FISH disk FF129 is 17 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF130 is 13 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF131 is 14 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF132 is 13 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF133 is 13 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF134 is 18 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF135 is 14 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF136 is 19 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF137 is 20 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF138 is 20 Mar 88
Date of FISH disk FF139 is 23 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF140 is  9 Jul 88
Date of FISH disk FF141 is 23 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF142 is 23 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF143 is 23 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF144 is 23 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF145 is 12 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF146 is 12 Jun 88
Date of FISH disk FF147 is 15 Aug 88
Date of FISH disk FF148 is 15 Aug 88
Date of FISH disk FF149 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF150 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF151 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF152 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF153 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF154 is 15 Jun 87
Date of FISH disk FF155 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF156 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF157 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF158 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF159 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF160 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF161 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF162 is  2 Oct 88
Date of FISH disk FF163 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF164 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF165 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF166 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF167 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF168 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF169 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF170 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF171 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF172 is 22 Nov 88
Date of FISH disk FF173 is  4 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF174 is 17 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF175 is 17 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF176 is 18 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF177 is 18 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF178 is 18 Feb 89
Date of FISH disk FF179 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF180 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF181 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF182 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF183 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF184 is 20 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF185 is 22 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF186 is 22 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF187 is 22 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF188 is 22 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF189 is 17 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF190 is 17 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF191 is 17 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF192 is 14 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF193 is 17 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF194 is 17 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF195 is 27 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF196 is 27 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF197 is 28 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF198 is 29 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF199 is 31 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF200 is 28 Mar 89
Date of FISH disk FF201 is  3 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF202 is  4 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF203 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF204 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF205 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF206 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF207 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF208 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF209 is 30 Apr 89
Date of FISH disk FF210 is  2 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF211 is 30 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF212 is 29 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF213 is 30 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF214 is 30 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF215 is 29 May 89
Date of FISH disk FF216 is  2 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF217 is  4 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF218 is  4 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF219 is  4 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF220 is  4 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF221 is 24 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF222 is 19 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF223 is 25 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF224 is 20 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF225 is 24 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF226 is 25 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF227 is 25 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF228 is 26 Jun 89
Date of FISH disk FF237 is 20 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF238 is 24 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF239 is 21 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF240 is 28 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF241 is 27 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF242 is 30 Aug 89
Date of FISH disk FF243 is  4 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF244 is  3 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF245 is  6 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF246 is 14 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF247 is 15 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF248 is 16 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF249 is 14 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF250 is 16 Sep 89
Date of FISH disk FF251 is 15 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF252 is 15 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF253 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF254 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF255 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF256 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF257 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF258 is 18 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF259 is 18 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF260 is 19 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF261 is 31 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF262 is 31 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF263 is 29 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF264 is 29 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF265 is 31 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF266 is 31 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF267 is 31 Oct 89
Date of FISH disk FF268 is  1 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF269 is  6 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF270 is  6 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF271 is 29 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF272 is  7 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF273 is  6 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF274 is 16 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF276 is  9 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF277 is 16 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF278 is 21 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF279 is 20 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF280 is 20 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF281 is 20 Nov 89
Date of FISH disk FF282 is 21 Nov 89

    
     
       I wrote a short program that simply stored the FF list file in
    reverse order.  Now when I SEARCH for something the first match is
    the most current.
    
    FWIW
    Chuck

 Since this was done with DOCUMENT, can we have a DECwindows BOOKREADER 
 version?  Bookreader output requires an index and TOC. Since I waited
 for the new version I haven't yet seen what you have now. I might be able to
 help producing this if it doesn't take too long and enough people are 
 interested. Save a tree when possible...
 Dave

Re: ~.5

> Since this was done with DOCUMENT, can we have a DECwindows BOOKREADER 
> version?  Bookreader output requires an index and TOC.

Actually BOOKREADER only requires a TOC, you dont have to have an index, still
since the catalogue already has an index, this is a bit of a nit!

What I really meant to say was... _yes please_. I'll even volunteer to build the
bookreader version if Phil doesn't have the tools.

Simon

    Thanks to Simon's date file - I have added a release date to each
    disk on the catalogue and re-compiled new versions. Many Thanks
    Simon!

    I think the best way to do a cross ref in VAX DOCUMENT would be
    to create an appendix containing tables that list all the lastest
    versions of certain programs that regularly re-appear in the catalogue
    and what disk the latest versions can be found on. This will allow
    easy modification by yours truly and a quick reference for the reader...
        
    As to the BOOKREADER version, very sorry but I dont have the resources
    I need to do this...so if Simon is still willing to convert the
    file, I will send him the *.sdml source file...
    
    Whatdoyasay Simon?
    
    Great ideas people - keep em coming...
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil
    
    

    Phil, 
    
    Try the REPORT.TWOCOL design. I also have a documentised version that I
    have been keeping updated and this design reduced it from  400ish pages
    to under 200. 
    
    What I do when I add the new disk information is to include the version
    in the <head2>(file Vx.xx) and <x>(file Vx.xx) lines and then simply
    looking in the index for the highest version number is sufficient. 
    
    I also find the index to be the most useful, so I have it before the
    contents pages (as I find most times I want to know if xyz is on a fish
    disk and where to find it). 
    
    Also, thanks to Simon for the date info.
    
    regards
    kevin
    
    (Missed you when I was in the Auckland office over Xmas (clearing mail
    and notes) - catch you another time I am over)

PostScript users can save even more trees by using

	/parameter=number_up=2

on the print command line. This prints 2 pages per page. Nice output.

John

    re: .10
    
    print/param=number=4 saves even more paper and is still very readable
    
    Phil

    I have added a neat little 'feature' to the postscript version
    
    I finally figured out how to add background text to a document -
    every page now has background text saying "Amiga"
    
    No real use to anyone of course - but I couldnt resist it ;^)
    
    still very readable...
    
    Phil

    New versions of Both the *.ln03 and Postscript versions of the
    catalogue are now available. 
    
    Improvements include:
    
    1/ Gold disk #3 was incorrect - it was a duplicate of Gold disk#2
       This has been corrected. 
    2/ Release dates have been added to all disks 
    
    3/ The postscript version now has the word "Amiga" as a background
       graphic on every page. 
    
    4/ A cross reference for the latest version of objects that are
       featured repeatedly throughout disks 1-300 has been added. To
       find the latest version of a certain file - see the index. If
       a certain file is on more than on disk then the index will have
       an entry called "[file] Vxx.xx-Latest Version".
    
    5/ The modification history table has been updated to reflect all
        of the above changes
    
    Happy Fishing
    
    Phil

>   New versions of Both the *.ln03 and Postscript versions of the
>    catalogue are now available. 

Could you please post the location again???

John

    Are there any special parameters to be tacked on to the print command
    in order to print out the LN03 version correctly?
    
    Steve
    

    new versions of both the LN03 and Postscript files are now at:
    
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]
    
    and have W:R protection enabled...
    
    Phil

    Could someone point me to the location of the plain old .txt version of
    this catalog?
    
    Thanks
    Steve
    

re: .-1  - Hi
    
        Unfortunately There is no plain text version of this file - 
    the closest thing to it it the .SDML file which is not available for 
    general release...
    
    if you do not have access to a laser printer, I can whip up a version
    for you which will print on any standard printer...
    
    Send em to NZOV01::MCKENZIE if interested.

    
    Cheers
    
    Phil

    There is an ASCII version of this file (sort of). Just do an extract
    of note 1156.*

    a line printer version of the catalogue if now available at:
    
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]FF_CAT.LINE
    
    This version contains contents and indexes as well...
    
    Enjoy

    The fish catalogue has now been split over two volumes:
    
    Volume #1 - disks #001 - #300
    Volume #2 - disks #301 - Onward
    
    All printer types (PS,LN03 and Line) available
    
    files are now called:
    
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]FF_CAT_V1.* <---- VOLUME 1
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]FF_CAT_V2.* <---- VOLUME 2

    The latest 10 fish disks (301-310) have been added to volume #2
    (see note 1156 for details)
    
    Each volume has its own independent index - at some later stage
    I may create a master index for both manuals (if/when time permits)
    
    Happy fishing as always
    
    Phil

A friend of mine claims the best database is a text file being
searched by EMACS.

I have a plain text listing of all the disk disks:

	TLE""::UPORT$:[RMEYERS.TRADE.AMIGA]FISH.TXT

>  A friend of mine claims the best database is a text file being
> searched by EMACS.
> 
> I have a plain text listing of all the disk disks:
> 
> 	TLE""::UPORT$:[RMEYERS.TRADE.AMIGA]FISH.TXT
> 

Or WJG::AMIGA:FISH_LIST.TXT !

I prefer VMS search with the /window qualifier ('cause I don't know EMACS very
well) :-)

John

    Keep it up, I think the new cats are great. Why not include the
    AMICUS and others also

    I agree wholeheartedly with -1. These catalogs are GREAT. Many thanks
    to those who have put the effort in. They are especially useful to a
    new Amiga user like myself. 
    
    Is there anywhere a catalog of the other stuff which is on Tape? ie all
    stuff excluding the Fish disk?
    
    I had my first look on TAPE and was amazed by what was on there, but I
    would like a little bit of info about what all the other stuff is!!
    
    Greg

    How do I print out the postscript versions.  I tried printing out
    volume 2 (since it is smaller) but got only pages of postscript
    commands.
    
    I did a:
    	PRINT FF_CAT_V2.PS/QU=MY_LPS20_POSTSCRIPT_QUEUE
    

    Are you sure your sending to the Postscript que and not the ansi
    translation queue? - thats generally what causes the printer to
    print pages of PS commands...    
        

The best part about the catalog is when I run up against someone 
who says "yeah, but there's no software for the Amiga..."

I just slam the 400 page notebook down on their desk and say "How 
about this?  And all of it is FREE."

Works great.

Randy

    re: .28 .29
    
    It seems there was a problem with our postscript queue for the LPS20.
    It has been fixed and V2 prints out fine.  I quess I'll bring over
    the big one and print it out tonight.

    	I would like to print another copy of the FF_cat_V1.ln03 catalog 
    but can't seem to get thru to nzov01 and the copy on tape is protected.
    	Is there anywhere I could get a copy? I couldn't stand living
    anymore with no diskquota left so I deleted the copy I got and what
    am I looking for two days later.  
    			Thanks, 
    			       Dan

    re .32
    
    	The protection problem on TAPE has been fixed.
    
    		Steve Peters
    
    
    
    
    

    Unfortunately NZOV01 is currently undergoing major software upgrades
    and many of the logical directories are currenty unavailable...
    
    I'll post a notice here when all is as it should be 
    
    sorry
    
    Phil

	Hi Phil,
	
	While I think about it, are you planning to (or have you already)
        produce a bookreader version of volume 2 of the catalogue? The
        volume 1 book is great; far and away the fastest way of looking for
        anything or just scanning whats available.

	cheers,
	Simon

    Hi Simon 
    
    See your VAX MAIL...
    
    will have disks 321-> added to the SDML withing the next few days and
    will post the location a the new SDML/PS/LN03and text versions of this
    volume...
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil

    New copies of the Fish catalogues (volumes 1 and 2) are now
    available in:
    
    NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]
    
    There are Postscript,line and TXT files available...I have also copied the
    SDML files to the above location. Volume 2 now contains FF301->FF330
    and is complete with index...
    
    I am unable to create LN03 versions of these files at the moment (Have
    to try and get hold of an LN03 Fonts kit) so for those users who need
    LN03 output, please feel free to copy the SDML files and compile your
    own copies...or perhaps some kind soul out there could help you if you
    are unable to for whatever reason...
    
    The Postscript versions no longer have the background text AMIGA
    through every page...I've had some problems with the DVC$PROLOG.PS file
    for DOCUMENT Version 1.2 and have been unable to reproduce this
    wee feature...
    
    Urrrgghh - No more 17 hour days ... I hope!
    
    Enjoy
    
    Phil
    PS: can Anyone out there give the me syntax for creating BOOKREADER
    copies of the above?
    

The new bookreader version is now available at
TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK

Details are in note 3285.44

>  PS: can Anyone out there give the me syntax for creating BOOKREADER
>    copies of the above?
 
To create the BOOKREADER version, I combined the two <title> tags into one,
added symbol names to all of the <chapter> and <head> tags, and deleted some
of the <line> tags when a paragraph would work OK.  To get even better output
would require deleting more of the <line> tags and probably some <page> tags.

Then I processed the new SDML file using this line:

$ DOCUMENT/CONTENT/INDEX FF_CAT_V2.SDML  ONLINE.REFERENCE BOOKREADER

Dave

    Thanks to the friends of Amiga I have now re-created the Postcript
    versions of the catalogue...complete with the AMIGA watermarking...
    
    These are in NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]FF_CAT_V1.PS/FF_CAT_V2.PS
    
    Soon, I plan to get a handle on Bookreader and will produce the 
    appropriate files also...
    
    For those that require the *.LN03 versions, Look for *.LN03 files in 
    the same directory some time this soon hopefully...
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil
    
    

    New versions of volume 2 are now available in :
    
    	NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]
    
    The new Versions are:
    
    FF_CAT_V2.TXT  <--- Text version only - no contents/index etc
    FF_CAT_V2.PS   <--- Postscript version
    FF_CAT_V2.LINE <--- Line printer version 
    
    I still have to get the LN03 version going (I have to install an
    LN03 fonts kit which I do not have and cant find)
    
    I have also posted the SDML file...all above files include disks 
    #301-#340
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil
    
    
    

I replaced the old Bookreader version 301-330 on TAPE with the updated 
version. Now including 301-340 as .40 says. Same name as before:

TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK;2

Dave

    New versions of volume 2 are now available in :
    
    	NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]
    
    The new Versions are:
    
    FF_CAT_V2.TXT  <--- Text version only - no contents/index etc
    FF_CAT_V2.PS   <--- Postscript version
    FF_CAT_V2.LINE <--- Line printer version 
    
    These volumes include FF disks #300 ---> #350
    
    I still have to get the LN03 version going (I have to install an
    LN03 fonts kit which I do not have and cant find)
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil

    Um, in the PostScript version, each page has the word "RESUME" across
    it (instead of "AMIGA")...

    Hmmmmm....Looks like some *&^%$#@ has been fiddling with DVC$PROLOG.PS
    unfortunately I use a fairly public account to create these things and 
    it could have been anyone mucking around with that file...
    
    All fixed now though...
    
    Cheers
    

New bookreader version is on 

TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK

This supersedes (and should replace) the one stored
in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA].  Same name as before, but now goes 301-350.

Dave

    New Versions (Postscript, source file and line printer only) 
    of volume II are now available at:
    
    	NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]
    
    This version includes Fred Fish disks #301 to #360
    
    Phil

New bookreader version is on 

TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK

This supersedes (and should replace) the one stored
in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA].  Same name as before, but now goes 301-360.

Dave

The FF_VAT_V2.DECW$BOOK mentioned in .-1 (.47) has been moved to
TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA].

-----Robert

       New bookreader and postscript versions are on:
     
                                                                         
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS
     
       These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
       in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA].  Same names as before but they now 
       go 301-370.
     
     Let me know if the PS version has problems. I couldn't print it 
     again to check the last few tweeks.
     
     I can probably do an .LN03 if someone wants to test print it.
     
     Dave
     

      New Bookreader and postscript versions of the Fred Fish Catalogue
      are on:
     
                                                                         
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS
     
       These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
       in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD]. 
       Same names as before but they now go 301-400.
     
    
     Dave
 

Once again> New Bookreader and postscript versions of the Fred Fish Catalogue
      are on:
     
                                                                         
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS
     
       These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
       in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD]. 
       Same names as before but they now go 301-410.
       I made some changes to the DOCUMENT SDML file so that this
       PostScript version kills fewer trees. Eventually, I'll
       slim down version FF_CAT_V1 TOO,
     
    
     Dave
 

     
     As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-440.
     
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS
     
     And again:
     
             These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
             in TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
             Same names as before but they now go 301-440.
     
     Dave

>     TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK

	Please help a new-to-DECwindows user - how do I get the BookReader
	to look at this file? I tried redefining the DECW$BOOK logical
	to include my copy of this file, but that didn't help...

							Thanks,
							Rob

	yes, you are right, you must redefine the DECW$BOOK logical name.
	This is how I do it, however:
	Run FileView .
		In the Fileview window, on the Utilities menu,
	use Logical_Names to change the definition of decw$book.
	It's somewhat no-intuitive. Type
	"DECW$BOOK" into "name".
	then Write the name of the directory the
	fish books are in into the yellow box.  Then copy paste that directory
	into the line under "define".
	Then push the define button.  Then push the show button to verify
	that it worked. phew.
	Then push the dismiss button.  Then run bookreader from the applicatons
	menu of Fileview, not the session manager.
	Remember that you must have library.decw$bookshelf file like:
	
	BOOK\ff_cat\THE COMPLETE FISH DISK CATALOGUE
	BOOK\ff_cat_v2\THE COMPLETE FISH DISK CATALOGUE VOLUME II

	someone else will give an easier way
tom

    For those that don't use FileView, and prefer starting the bookreader
    from either the Session Manager or simply from a DECterm window, the
    following command file will do the trick. 

    All you need to do is modify the define command to point decw$book to the 
    location of your bookreader file (mine's pointed at by a logical called 
    amifish:). Then just go into Session manager, Customize Application 
    Definitions, add a Fish menu item (call it what you want), and add an 
    @dev:[dir]fishbook for the command. Then add it to the applications menu 
    via the Customize Applications Menu pulldown. 

    If you set up a symbol to invoke the cmd file 
    (e.g. fish:==@amifish:fishbook), then simply typing 'fish' at dcl will 
    spawn the bookreader.

    -Dom

    Command file follows:


$! Filename:	fishbook.com
$! Author:	Dom Carr (snoplw::carr)
$!
$!  Invoke the bookreader for Fred Fish catalogue
$!
$!  Change the following command to define decw$book appropriately.
$!
$ define/nolog decw$book amifish:
$
$ if  f$getdvi( "TT", "trm" ) 
$   then 
$	spawn/nowait/input=nl:/nolog mcr decw$bookreader 
$   else
$	mcr decw$bookreader
$ endif
$ exit

There is also some information in the note 3285. 
Start around reply 41

Also note that TAPE::USER2:[AMIGA]*.DECW*
has the bookshelf files for catalogues I and II,
and a simple library.decw$bookshelf file in case you 
want to use a new one in a new directory.

Dave

Yet another method is to define DECW$BOOK as a search list.
This will allow you to pick up the "normal" books, as well as any
that are specific to your needs.

(I keep my "fish" books, and a "fish" library.decw$bookshelf in amiga$txt:)

$ sh log decw$book 
   "DECW$BOOK" = "$1$DUA28:[DECW$BOOK]" (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)

$ define decw$book amiga$txt,$1$dua28:[decw$book]

Note: this only changes your process specific decw$book logical, which
      won't be known to the session manager or fileview  
      (unless you follow one of the previous examples)

   Re (last few)

   Thanks, all! With your collective help, I can now happily "fish" with
Decwindows. Now, off to see what goodies I can download!

							Rob

I have copied a new PostScript (tm Adobe) version of
the _original_ FF_CAT_V1.PS file. This is the one that covers disks
1-300 (and goldfish). The new version eliminates the page breaks
and probably saves a tree limb or two. No content change ( I hope ;-}).
Let me know if anything is less than it should be...

File is at:

TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V1.PS


This supersedes the version in TAPE::AMIGA:[AMIGA]

Dave

       As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-470.

          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in TAPE::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         Same names as before but they now go 301-470.

          Dave

       As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-490.

          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in TAPE::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         Same names as before but they now go 301-490.

         I didn't print the PS file. If there is a problem let me know
         at TOOK::DROBINSON.  Actually, I didn't fully check out the
         bookreader file either. 
         
         Dave

      As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-510.

          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in TAPE::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         Same names as before but they now go 301-510.

         If there is a problem let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON.   
         
         Dave

    Dave,
    
    Just a little nit, I'm an LPS20 (double-sided printer) user and the
    document isn't prepared for duplex printing.  If your using a later
    document (and the fact that there is a DECW$BOOK implies you are),
    just add the following switch to the compile line and blank pages 
    will be inserted so the PS file will print correctly double-sided:
    
    	DOCUMENT/CONTENTS/INDEX/DEVICE=DUPLEX ....
    	                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    If not, there is a tool available (from the TOOLCHEST I believe),
    called DOCTOR that can add the blank pages.  A version doctored
    like this is available in:
    
    	TAPE::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2_DUPLEX.PS
    
    Thanks for the great work on the catalog!
    George
    

    *BLANK* pages????  Oh please....
    
    Is it really necessary to waste all that paper, especially for non-work
    purposes?  Unless you are legally blind, documents such as this should
    be printed with NUMBER_UP=2, at least (=4 would be better).

 I actually recommend people use the Bookreader version or scan through
 ASCII text listings, but we are talking about *3* blank sides - not a whole
 lot in the overall scheme of things. Besides, I encourage anybody with
 suggestions for "easy" improvements to the docs.

 Dave

    re: .64
    
    Yes, blank pages!  When you read a book, you expect chapters to begin
    on the right hand pages, not willy-nilly.  This is a small thing done
    to make books and manuals look better.  Besides, it seems to me that
    even with a few blank sides, the duplex version of the catalog still
    uses only half as many sheets of paper as the single-sided version.
    
    Another benefit I would expect from the duplex format is to be able to
    hack the Postscript file of the next release (for example, at disk 550)
    to print out the table of contents, omit the first couple sections and
    all disks up to the low 500s, then print the rest of the disk
    descriptions and the updated index.  This gives me a document which is
    indistinguishable from the whole new one without printing all of the
    new one.  Another paper savings, I'd say.
    
    Wes

The problem is that DOCUMENTs postscript output formater is doing the
absolute wrong way.

One of the things that postscript allows is actually being able to interact
with the printer so you can find out what it is doing.  If someone would
explain the details to the right person, it would be possible to eliminate
the necessity for special formating and at the same time ensure that left
pages are left and right pages are right, PLUS for those people who want
things printed without any blank pages, they can do it, and when printing
it single sided, it will also print without (or with) blank pages.

I think that I can explain the postscript to do this and I don't have a prayer
of doing the kind of postscript that is generated by DOCUMENT.

(In case you haven't noticed, this misfeature of DOCUMENT is high on my list
of peeves.)

         As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-530.

          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in EOT::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         I used the same names as before, but the manuals now go 301-530.

         I also processed the PostScript file so that new sections
         start on the right hand page (a few blanks on the left).

         If there is a problem, let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON or
         TERSE::ROBINSON.
         
         Dave

         As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-540.

          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in EOT::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         I used the same names as before, but the manuals now go 301-540.

         If there is a problem, let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON or
         TERSE::ROBINSON.
         
         Dave

         As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-550.

          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in EOT::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         I used the same names as before, but the manuals now go 301-550.

         If there is a problem, let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON or
         TERSE::ROBINSON.
         
         Dave

        As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-560.

          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in EOT::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         I used the same names as before, but the manuals now go 301-560.

         If there is a problem, let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON or
         TERSE::ROBINSON.
         
         Dave

 As before: New FF catalogues now updated to go 301-580.

          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK
          EOT::AMIGA:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.PS

          And again:

         These supersede (and should replace) the ones stored
         in EOT::AMIGA:[AMIGA] and any previously found in [UPLOAD].
         I used the same names as before, but the manuals now go 301-580.

         If there is a problem, let me know at TOOK::DROBINSON or
         TERSE::ROBINSON.
         
         Dave

    Hmmmm, it'll be time to start FF_CAT_V3 in a couple of months!
                                         ^^

    Would it be possible to post an "addendum" V2 file in addition to the
    full V2 book?  This would allow those of us who already have the V2
    book to simply add the pages on instead of printing the entire volume. 
    I don't know if this is pratical or not but might be worth considering.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ken
    

    Since the announcements seem to make it groups of twenty, it will soon
    be moot assuming we are holding to the original convention f 300 disks
    per volum.  Currently we go 301-580....I'd it at volume 3 by march.
    
    George
    

Here is what I'll do.  I'll start a new volume @601.  If someone can come
up with a *very* easy way to print sections or tell DOCUMENT to only
process a section or a file, I'll try to provide full volumes and updates pages
at each new release fo disks (or two sometimes :^)). I'm concerned about 
overloading EOT with partial files though.  

Since I always use the Bookreader version and only check the
PostScript with the CDA viewer, I have little incentive and, of
course, little time to investigate or jump through hoops to create a 
subset. I *do* support the idea though. I think it will happen before
March. :^)

Dave

    Dave,
    
    If your bookreader format file can be read into DECwrite you can then
    output specific pages.
    
    I think DECwrite v2.0 has this featyure