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    I should perhaps add that the catalogue includes the Goldfish
    disks, Fred's postal address and submission procedures for those
    among us who will join the great implementers...;^)
    
    Phil

    That is great!!!
    *Please* give me this pathname to copy the file.
    
    Gerald :-)

    I'll take it too..........
    							Thanks
    								Ed
    

    Now I'm (or should I say the printer) printing the catalogue.
    Great work, Phil :-) :-) :-)
    
    Gerald

    Make that one more ...
    
    
    /Lars

    Me too (says yet another scrambling to make the bandwagon)!
    

    I'm  also interested
    
    Thanks
    
    Roger
    

    The errors in pages 29,31 and 33 have been corrected
    
    a new version of the file will be available shortly
    
    Thanks to Gerald for reporting the errors
    
    Phil

    Since this is a document that should be available to everyone and
    since I'm on a little island at the bottom of the world , with only
    a single network route, what does the moderator feel about placing
    a copy of the current file on node BOMBE - in a public directory
    there somewhere...?
    
    It's about 1000 blocks big so its not too bad and that way EVERYONE
    could get hold of it, either from NZOV01 or thru BOMBE, should NZOV01
    become 'Unreachable' for whatever reason...?
    
    Comments?
    
    Phil

    Re .10:
    
    I'm on BOMBE (some of the time, anyway) and I'm already pulling the
    LN03 version to that node.  I'll do likewise with the PostScript
    version when it's available and co�rdinate with the moderator on its
    (at least temporary) placement in a public directory.
    
    N.B.  As noted elsewhere in this conference, BOMBE is a bit off the
    beaten path network-wise (though not as far afield as NZOV01).  Any
    volunteers from well-connected nodes?

    All obvious errors in disks 1-100 have been corrected
    
    These included formatting errors in disks 37,42,62,63,64,68,83,89
    & 91
    
    Improvements continue

    re .10,.11
    
    	There is space on TAPE:: with the fish disk ZOO files. I can copy
    it over tonight.
    
    
    		Steve Peters
    

    That would be great Steve - I'll have a semi-proof-read version
    available in about 3 hours
    
    Phil

    all obvious errors have been removed from disk 1 - 200

    Improvements continue
    

    I just spent my spare time today doing the same thing, extracting note
    1156 reply by reply (couldn't do an extract 1156.*. I would keep losing
    the network link) and editing out the headers and assembling the
    individual files.  When I was finally done (about 10 minutes before
    quiting time) I saw this note.  A-r-r-r-g-g-g!!!
    
    Thanks for the effort and time you spent on this project.  It will sure
    save a lot of work for a lot of people in the future.
    
    Ken
    

    Ken 
    
    OOPS - sometimes great minds thinking alike can be a real pain huh?
    
    If its any consolation I spent hours driving myself potty editing
    the notes file which when finished was over 10,000 lines long. The
    partition by my desk has a hole in it where I banged my head against
    it repeatedly ...;^)
    
    Very Sorry
    
    Phil
    

    all obvious formatting errors (disk 1-300) have been fixed
    
    original version deleted - new version now recompiling - available
    withing the next hour (hopefully)
    
    Phil

    For those of you printing these catalogs on PostScript printers (LN03r,
    LPS40, LPS20, etc.), may I suggest that you save some trees by printing
    more than one page per sheet?  I have found 4 pages/sheet works well.
    Just include "/PARAMETER=NUMBER=4" on your print command.
    
    I have no objection to placing files here on BOMBE, but I'm afraid it
    wouldn't be very useful because local (organization) management have
    imposed a general ban against network file access into this system.

I'll keep a copy on WJG as well.

John

    Hi Phil,
    
    I can't copy Your new version of the catalogue because of
    'insufficient privilege or file protection violation'
    
    Please can You make it world readable?
    
    Cheers
    Gerald

    Sorry Gerald
    
    should be ok now...
    
    Cheers

    Please, send me the information, also.
    
    							Skull

    Because most sites now have postscript printers and utilising the
    Post Script version with the right parameters saves LOTS of paper
    I am seriously considering dumping the *.LN03 version...
    
    How many folk who are interested in this catalogue do NOT have access
    to a postscript printer?
    
    Phil

    Please leave the LN03 versions up.  We've had a PS printer on order for
    8 months and it doesn't show any sign of appearing on our doorstep
    soon.  The nearest one is 160 miles away.
    
    Thanks
    

       I'm not a Postscript expert so I'm not sure if the comments at the
       beginning of the postscript version regarding assigning logicals,
       this file must be name XXXXXX, etc., etc., are if importance or
       relevant.  I am therefore leery of sending this 400 page document
       to the LPS40.
       
       Can you set me straight.
       
       Thanks
       
       Art
       

The PSPrint (now at SBB version 1.0) does a good job of printing PostScript
on an LN03...

John

    re: .28---The PostScript file printed fine on our department's LPS40.
    
    re: .29---PSprint requires an LN03-PLUS, whereas the LN03 format file
    only requires an LN03 and font RAM cartridges.
        John Sauter

    I'm casting 2 votes for us Amiga users in RCH to keep the LN03 file.

    re:  Note 3285.8 Fish Disk catalogue location
    
    I'm having a problem copying this catalogue - it keeps telling
    me "Insufficient privilege".  Is it me?  
    
    

    re: .27, .32
    
    LN03 version will stay - I have altered file protection to fix the
    problem mentioned in .32
    
    as for the comments in the Postscript version - ignore them completely
    - they are part of the file which I use to create the 'watermark'
    effect on pages in the postscript version...
    
    It is just fine to print - but PLEASE use 
    
    PRINT/queue=[postscript queue]/PARAM=NUMBER=4 FF_CAT.PS
    
    this saves lots of trees - and since there will be a lot of updates
    added to this file at one time or another - might as well make sure
    it's printed on the least paper possible...
    
    I am considering splitting the manual into 2 manuals also
    
    Manual 1 (Both LN03 and PS for the time being) disks 1-300
    Manual 2 (Both LN03 and PS for the time being) disks 300----->
    
    this will save a bit of needless reprinting I hope (now that manual
    #1 is pretty much ok)
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil
    

    Phil,
    
    Have you considered using the <update_range>, <mark>, <endmark> etc
    tags and after every 25 or so do a complete rebuild.  This can be set
    to only output the changed pages. (It will also reduce the network
    traffic).
    
    
    regards
    kevin

    Thanks Kevin - I'll have a think on that...
    
    The files have been moved to:
    
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA] - with W:R protection enabled...
    
    old file path has been deleted...

    Phil
    

    Hello fello Amigites,
    
    For those of you willing to shell out a whopping $10, System Eyes
    (101a/Greystone Plaza) is now selling the Fred fish catalogue in the
    form of a database program.  Pop in the features your looking for in
    public domain software and the list of FF#'s and descriptions come up.
    (i.e. GRAPHICS,ANIMATION,SIMULATION comes up with #280 CM animation)
    Hope you all enjoy the ease of use (no more skimming a bible)
    								  Skull

    re:.36
    
    that sounds like the Aquarium program.  It is on one of the recent
    Fred Fish disks.  It can also search for a text string in either
    the title or the text description.  Very nice.
    
    Is that $10 just for the catalog or do they give you the rest of
    the fish disk it is on too?
    
    -Dave

    In the FF disks 301-310 posted yesterday I remember seeing a fish
    database program.

    It may be also worth noting that the MicroFiche Filer program
    (I believe a demo version is available on one of the fish disks)
    contains a fish disk database (Although I have no idea how up to
    date it is...)
    
    FWIW
    
    Phil

    re .36
    The Aquarium update (to include all the disks to 300) is the first
    thing mentioned on disk 301.
    
    regards
    k
    

I just copied a DECwindows bookreader version, and a VMS online HELP version
of the now out-of-date ( %-| )  1-300 version of the FF catalogue to TAPE.

The bookreader version is:

TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT.DECW$BOOK

I also copied FF_CAT.DECW$BOOKSHELF, which you can append to
an existing LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF file on your system. 

And, I included a simple LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF with the file already appended 
to it. If you copy FF_CAT.DECW$BOOK and LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF to your own 
directory, you can point the Bookreader at it with the logical DECW$BOOK.

The VMS online HELP version is:
TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT.HLB

To use the HELP file, copy it to the directory 
defined as SYS$HELP on your VMS system (sorry not tested this way), or copy
it to any directory and use the full help directory spec as follows:

$  HELP /LIBRARY=device-name:[directory-name]FF_CAT.HLB

Perhaps Phil will soon copy these to his directory:
   NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]

Enjoy,
Dave

    	I couldn't find the bookreader version in TAPE. I looked at
    [amiga.fish] and [upload]. Is it available somewhere else ?
    
    	Thanks,
    	Miguel A. Alvarez

The bookreader version is back in [UPLOAD].
Dave

I just copied a DECwindows Bookreader version of Volume II, disks 300+ version 
of the Fred Fish catalogue to TAPE.

The new Bookreader version is at:

TAPE::USER2:[UPLOAD]FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK

I also copied FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOKSHELF , which you can append to
an existing LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF file on your system. 

And I included a simple LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF which includes both volume 
names (as named on TAPE, but not NZOV01) already appended to it. If you copy 
FF_CAT_V2.DECW$BOOK and LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF to your own directory, 
you can point the Bookreader at it with the logical DECW$BOOK.

As before:

Perhaps Phil will also copy these to his directory:
   NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA]

Dave

    The copy has been started - expect to find the bookreader versions at
    NZOV01 shortly...
    
    pathname for further copying is
    
    NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]
    
    Thanks Dave
    
    Phil

I can't seem to get the Bookreader version to work.  I copied 
FF_CAT.DECW$BOOK and LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF to my local area, then typed

$ define decw$book <my_local_area>

Then I run Bookreader from my Session manager, and it doesn't list the FF 
catalog on its bookshelf.  What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Sam

A typical $define will only place the logical into your local process table.
You will have to run|spawn|submit sys$system:DECW$BookReader from the same 
process in order to reflect the decw$book logical.

You can $define/sys decw$book [wherever], and then the Session Manager
will pick up the proper info, but that takes extra privleges.  I usually
use a search path, so that I can access the "normal" BookReader documents.

$define/sys decw$book [wherever],sys$common:[decw$book] ! normal location  

Steve

This comes to you by courtesy of KERMIT from NEWBURY ENGLAND.

Before you guys in the US go home for the weekend, I need some help.

I have copied the files for the DecWindows version of the FF catalogue 
from  TAPE:: using FTSV from Tape to my account at work. At home I have a 
Vaxstation 410 running DecWindows. Objective to be able to browse through
the FF catalogue at my leisure.
      
 	so here goes!!
	1. ARC the files into one Archive 
	2. CVTARC the archive to fixed length records.
	3. Tell kermit to set file type Binary
	4  Set kermit to server.
	5. Break back to the VaxStation at home.

	6. Tell local Kermit to set file type binary
	7. Set line TTA2: ( which is wheere the modem is)
	8  Tell kermit to get the CVTARC'd file

	Kermits; do the transfer slooooowly (1200 baud)
	Yipee!!!!! its done.   Kermit says OK

	9.  CVTARC the recieved file back to STREAM_LF
	10. ARC says I like it, lists and unpacks the files.
	11. Install the files in SYS$COMMON:[DECW$BOOK]
	12. Modify LIBRARY.DECW$BOOKSHELF
	13. run bookreader. Bookreader sees the new books.
	14  Attempt to read either volume bookreader complains they are not 
in the CORRECT FORMAT. and they cannot be accessed


	What have I done wrong? -  Used Kermit?  There are copious notes 
telling me XMODEM will not work via TSN. I must confess, I tried but could not even 
establish communication.

	Does anybody have any Ideas? I really want to read this stuff.


				regards,
					David

    Two things you might try:
    
    	1.  Use VMS BACKUP instead of ARC.  I know it doesn't do
    	compression, but it will maintain the file attributes.
    
    	2.  Look through this notesfile there is a little known
    	kermit command which will avoid having to use cvtarc.
    	I believe it is SET FILE FORMAT BLOCK or SET FILE TYPE BLOCK,
    	but I'm not sure as I haven't used Kermy in a long time.
    
    - steve

    Steve,
    	Thanks for the help. Backup didn't work either. So if in doubt,
    Set file type block and do single file transfers.  It took a very
    long time  but was successful.
    
    Now happily reading Fred's Wonderful World of Software.
    
    Thanks again
    		Regards,
    			David :-)
    
    

    I have tried to do a directory on NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA] and
    NZOV01::$1$DUS21:[AMIGA] and have received the message,
    
    %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening NZOV01::SYS$PUBLIC:[AMIGA]*.*;* as input
    -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for
    operation
    
    for both of these.  Are these two disks no longer valid names?  I am
    trying to obtain the latest catelogue with no success.
    
    Your help's greatly appreciated,
    
    -- Jill

Jill,

Ian McKenzie no longer works for Digital New Zealand. So all the Amiga stuff he 
had on NZOV01 have probably been removed.

Try one of the directories on TAPE::

Lindsay