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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

3240.0. "JDCP - UUCP on an Amiga" by RLAV::LITTLE (Todd Little, NYA SWS, 323-4475) Tue Dec 19 1989 14:29

    I've just downloaded a package called JDCP from the Berks BBS.  This a
    UUCP implementation that appears to support MAIL, UUCP, and NEWS.  Has
    anyone heard anything about this package or used it?  I'm trying it now
    and will post my results once (and if) I get it installed and connected
    to the USENET.  If anyone is interested in holding a copy, tell me
    where I can put the .ZOO file (325 blocks) and I'll copy it over.
    
    -tl
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3240.1WJG::GUINEAUQuantum RealityTue Dec 19 1989 17:458
I'll let you copyit to WJG:: if you tell me how you "connecting to USENET" :-)

Seriously, you can put it on WJG.

I would like to get outside DEC access to USENET since I don't get much
time to read usenet anymore...

John
3240.2What is your credit limit with New England Bell?RLAV::LITTLETodd Little, NYA SWS, 323-4475Tue Dec 19 1989 20:308
    It's now at WJG::AMIGA:JDCP.ZOO.  As far as revealing my method of
    connection, let me first verify I can do it, then let me see if I can
    admit I've done it.  Unfortunately, I think the Amiga has to do the
    dialing (at least from what I've gleaned from the installation
    procedure).  This makes my connection in New Jersey pretty unpalatable
    for you folks "up North".
    
    -tl
3240.3Amiga's within DECWHAMMY::SPODARYKBinary ThrottleTue Dec 19 1989 23:2514
    This isn't exactly related, but...
    
    What is DEC's policy about bringing other vendors equipment
    in-house and connecting it up?  I believe several people have
    Amiga's at work, so it must not be a problem.  It is probably
    similar to dialing in from home.
    
    What about adding a Ethernet card and actually registering it
    as a DECnet node?  Anyone done that?  I don't have the cash/desire
    to do so, but I was curious.  Same as any other node, ie. CC Manager
    approval, etc.
    
    ~Steve
          
3240.4let security knowLEVERS::MEYERDave MeyerWed Dec 20 1989 02:341
    Isn't that pretty much how the DEC-Mac connection got started ?
3240.5UUCP connection not difficultLEVERS::PLOUFFcan't memorize Zen...Wed Dec 20 1989 12:0529
    re: first couple
    
    I have had my Amiga at home running AmigaUUCP for several months.
    Things came to a crashing halt when my mail feed machine's operating
    system (Microport ENIX) got upgraded, and AmigaUUCP couldn't understand
    how to log on any more.  So I will try JDCP to see what happens.
    
    The basic requirements to get UUCP mail are the software on your Amiga
    and a willing connection.  2400 baud is plenty fast enough for your
    modem link.  News is a different animal.  Due to the daily volume, even
    for a single newsgroup like comp.sys.amiga, you really need a hard disk
    with a few to 40 megabytes free.  If you plan to get more than a small
    sampling of newsgroups, a 9600 baud Telebit Trailblazer modem is
    a necessity.  
    
    Finding a connection and setting up your machine to talk to it are not
    hard tasks, but require plenty of fiddling around and a reasonably good
    understanding of how network mail works.  You cannot use a DEC internal
    site for a UUCP or Usenet connection, say the network police, and the
    "well-known" nodes which do talk to the outside, such as decwrl and
    decvax, are too heavily loaded to take connections from personal
    computers.  Luckily, it's not too hard to find the owner of a small
    site who will connect to an Amiga, especially in California and
    Massachusetts. 
    
    Send me mail if you want some help getting started.
    
    Wes Plouff
    sometime system operator of 'beeline'
3240.6Not bad11SRUS::MARKWaltzing with BearsWed Dec 20 1989 14:0545
	I downloaded JDCP last night and played with it for a bit.  My amiga has
been on the UUCP net (USENET is a software layer on top of that) for some time
now, through AmigaUUCP.  Consequntly, I have two feeds I could test JDCP against
immediatly.

	My initial reaction is that if it lives up to its claims, it is
considerably better than AmigaUUCP.  Unfortunarly, it seems not to be able to
talk to one of my feeds (a VAX/VMS system running DECUS-UUCP).  It talks to the
other one (a VAX/Ultrix system) just fine.  I'll try to work out the problem
tonight, when the system manager for the system I can't talk to with JDCP is 
awake, and able to monitor things on his end.

	Compared with AmigaUUCP, JDCP has the following...

Disadvantages:

	Won't talk to one of my feeds.  (Could be user error on my part.)

	More primitive user interface for sending mail.  Doesn't give you an
	oppourtunity to enter a subject, doesn't use an editor, and always
	appends your .signature (AmigaUUCP gives you a choice).  I don't know
	about reading mail, but it's hard to imagine a more primitive user
	interface for reading mail than the one in AmigaUUCP.

	Poor documentation.  It claims that things were made to look like their
	Unix counterparts, so if you know them, you know JDCPs.  If you don't,
	too bad.  Also, the documentation for setting up l.sys is sparse, and
	it's non-standard.

Advantages:

	Smart routing on the mailer!  It comes with an amiga port of pathalias,
	which allows you to build a paths database and use internet style
	addresses.  AmigaUUCP let you use smart addressing only by sending it
	to a node known to be able to figure out were to send it from there.
	I haven't tried this yet, either.

	The news structure looks better.  This is hard to say for certain,
	since I have yet to try it.  I never was able to get news working with
	AmigaUUCP, so I'm not currently recieving groups.  I'll have to test
	this some more.

	It keeps a record of outgoing mail you send.

Mark
3240.7More, more!!WILARD::BARRETTWait'll they get a load of meWed Dec 27 1989 16:437
    Where can both AmigaUUCP and JDCP bo found on the ENET??
    
    How can one locate a network connection in his/her home area (consult
    schools, town halls, etc)? That may sound like a silly question,
    but just knowing a persons location (Waterbury, CT for instance)
    isn't enough to come up with a feed using the UUCP "path" facilities
    as far as I know.