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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2974.0. "Where is ABasiC ?? Please.." by WELSWS::FINNIS () Mon Oct 02 1989 07:02

    
        Can anyone point me in the direction of ABasiC not AmigaBasic
    I v'e tried the early  Amicus disks without luck.
      I understand that it was on 1.1 release WorkBench/extras..
    If not already online could someone please upload it as I am of
    the understanding that it is now PD.
    
    		Regards 
    				Pete.
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2974.1LEDS::ACCIARDIMon Oct 02 1989 10:006
    
    ABasic was shipped with early releases of the Amiga system software. 
    It was (and is) the property of Metacomco, and is not freely
    distributable.  Please don't post this software on the net.
    
    Ed.
2974.2I think it's PD too!AYOV28::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieMon Oct 02 1989 10:135
    I believe (but unfortunately cannot prove) that .0 is correct. ABasic
    has been declared PD in the UK at least. (MetaComCo is a UK company)
    I guess that a quick letter to them would settle it.
    
    					Alan T.
2974.3Maybe but!SALEM::LEIMBERGERMon Oct 02 1989 14:436
    RE .2 It may very well be PD now,but I think we need a better safe
    than sorry attitude when it comes to posting software to the net.I
    thought that abasic was a compiled basic,that was compatable with
    amiga basic,and that i saw an ad for it in one of the rags.One of
    the people in the UK could contact Metacomo for us.
    							bill
2974.4Keep looking, it's out there...BOMBE::MOOREBaN CaSe_sEnSiTiVe iDeNtIfIeRs!Mon Oct 02 1989 19:286
    I'm pretty sure I've seen ABasiC on at least one PD disk, I thought it
    was one of the AMICUS collection, but I can't find it right now.  I'll
    locate it when I get home.  I think it's already online on TAPE::
    somewhere.  I remember the disk contents description says something
    like "This disk also contains two BASIC interpreters", one of these is
    ABasiC.
2974.5LEDS::ACCIARDITue Oct 03 1989 00:195
    
    Actually, I have ABasic, since it came with my vintage October '85
    A1000.  If someone can convince me that it's PD, I'll post it.
    
    Ed.
2974.6PD disk found, but status is unclearBOMBE::MOOREBaN CaSe_sEnSiTiVe iDeNtIfIeRs!Tue Oct 03 1989 04:18190
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Below is the "READ_ME" file from a PD disk which contains both ABasiC
    and AmigaBasic interpreters.  I didn't find any statement saying that
    the interpreters are freely distributable, yet they *are* distributed
    on this PD disk.  Maybe it just went unnoticed, I don't know...
    
    I believe I got this disk at one of the area Commodore shows a year or
    two ago.  The disk (according to file dates) appears to have been created
    in the Aug-86 timeframe.
    
            v-----------   Read Me file follows    ------------v
     Tidewater Amiga Users' Group --  Public Domain Disk Review  -- by
Kent Paul Dolan

     This disk is TAUG #0079, is 94% full and is commonly known as:
AURA_GAME_04

directory
 file                OK   access with  description
    (more description)
-------------        --   -----------  -----------
c
 More                Y    CLI          Very, very handy page at a time text
    file display routine; used as the default tool by two .doc files in
    AmigaBasic_Games.  Copy to your "workbench:c" for other use.
Yahtzee
 yachtc              YN   workbench    Executable file for the dice game.
    Some bugs, but a fun game anyway.  May lock up.
 yachtc.c            Y    workbench    The C source file for the dice game.
AmigaBasic_Games
 Amiga Puzzle        Y    workbench    The old plastic slide puzzle,
    Amigaized.  I set it up for 80 columns, and the replacement 60 column
    line is in the source, but as a remark, if you need it.
    Point at the letter you want to move into the empty spot.
 BattNum             Y    workbench    Nim, with a cute intro.
 canto               Y    workbench    A really pretty piece of music.
 Clue                Y    workbench    A very nice text Clue game; fun.
 Crazy8s             Y    workbench    An outstanding card game with spoken
    commentary.
 hanoi               Y    workbench    The old tower of hanoi puzzle - you do
    the work!
 Hi-Low              Y    workbench    Great card guessing game; see the
    documentation.
 Hi-Low.doc          Y    workbench    Documentation for Hi-Low.
 Hypoc               Y    workbench    Draws interesting webbed line figures.
 jukebox             Y    workbench    Plays a half dozen tunes; so-so.
 NumObj1             Y    Battnum      Data file for Battnum.
 NumObj2             Y    Battnum      Data file for Battnum.
 NutHouse            Y    workbench    SUPER small puzzle!  Squares touching
    the one you point to switch colors.  Hard at first, 'til you see the
    patterns.  Try symmetric moves in symmetric situations.
 paratrooper         Y    workbench    Drop the paratrooper on the island.
    For the kids.
 PegBoard            Y    workbench    Sold in stores as HiQ.  Fun.
 sketch master       YN   workbench    A drawing package; weak.
 slither             Y    workbench    This one has been around for years.
    Fun for the kids, too hard for me!
 switchbox           Y    workbench    Super game with great graphics and
    sound.  Type the number of the slot where you want your ball to go.
 tug-o-war           Y    workbench    Simple looking game, this is really as
    hard as chess or go.  See the documentation.
 tug-o-war.doc       Y    workbench    Documentation for tug-o-war.
 World_Map           Y    workbench    Draws one of two nice world maps.
ABasiC_Games/PolyFractals              Except as noted, files in this
    directory are data for four pictures, named fractalpic1, fractalpic3,
    mandelbrot, and titlefractal.
 colreg_dat          Y    fractals.bas Color register assignment data file
    for fractals.bas.
 fractals.bas        Y    workbench (as PolyFractals ) This is (one of many)
    Mandelbrot object exploration programs.  Like all of them, (even the ones
    in assembler,) it is much too slow.  The pictures that come out of it are
    worth the wait, however, if you don't need your machine for several
    hours. The subsetting routine could be better.  Try the color cycling.
ABasiC_Games/Monopoly/devs
 system-configuration Y   ->           This file holds the data for the nice
    "hand" cursor for monopoly.  If you want to use this cursor, you have to
    build a separate monopoly disk per the instructions in the
    InstallationGuide, below.  Otherwise, the game works fine with your
    present workbench cursor.  Not used when Monopoly is run from this disk.
ABasiC_Games/Monopoly/s
 setup-sequence      ?    monopoly.bas This file is one blank space.  Purpose
    unknown.
 startup-sequence    Y    AmigaDOS      Replacement for the workbench file
    :s/startup-sequence when building a separate disk for Monopoly.
ABasiC_Games/Monopoly/monofiles         All the files in this directory are
    data files for the Monopoly game.
ABasiC_Games/Monopoly
 InstallationGuide   Y    CLI/more     Instructions for building a stand
    alone Monopoly disk.  Not needed if you can live with your present
    workbench cursor.
 monopoly.bas        Y    workbench     Totally awesome replication of the
    famous board game.  Few bugs, but some complaints:  only one person can
    play, trades, (even in a machine player's favor) are rejected unless a
    monopoly is gained, and there is no auction of rejected property.  You
    really have to be on your toes to win this one.  Watch Betty; rumor has
    it she cheats!  Best single developer public domain game available for
    the Amiga seen by this reviewer.  (But then, there's Hack...)
ABasiC_Games
 ABasiC              Y    workbench    Tenchstar/Metacomco's version of BASIC
    for the Amiga.
 init.bas            Y    ABasiC       Start up file for Monopoly, Polyfiles,
    and saucer.
 saucer              Y    workbench    Fun, just once, then let your friends
    try!
:                                      The root directory.
 AmigaBasic                            Microsoft's version of BASIC for the
     Amiga.
------------------------------------------------
Comments:

For new users:
     The AmigaBasic and ABasiC games frequently end with you looking at the
appropriate BASIC screen.  Just type "system" to get back to the workbench.
A few games leave you looking at a blank screen.  Try pulling it down (touch
the cursor to the top of the screen, pull it down with the left mouse button,
just like a window screen) to expose the BASIC window behind it, then type
"system" there to get back out.  Some games have a close gadget (the small
square with the dot in the upper left corner); just pick the dot with the
left mouse button to end the game.  AmigaBasic games can frequently be
closed by choosing the "quit" item in the "project" menu with the right
mouse button.

     Lots of windows require you to click the left mouse button with the
cursor in the window, before you can type into that window.

     Because of bugs in the "say" command (it doesn't give back all its space
when done), the system will crash with an out of heap space, software
failure, or guru mediation message after several (sometimes 2) speech-using
programs are run.  Not a thing to do about it, and not your fault.  Just
put workbench back in and warm boot (CTRL-Amiga-OpenAmiga), then put this
disk back in and open it up again.

For everyone:
     This disk was received from AURA, the Amiga Users Group of Raleigh, N.C.
To make it more accessable to new Amiga users, Kent Paul Dolan, of TAUG, the
Tidewater Amiga Users Group of Norfolk, Va., modified the disk as follows:
The AmigaBasic games "conversation" and "seas" were removed.  "Seas" was not
complete, and "conversation" was both obscene, and finished by locking keys
and screen.  This was considered inappropriate for a disk likely to be used
by children.  The buggy AmigaBasic "saucer" was replaced by the functional
ABasiC version from TAUG-19.

     The ".msb" tag was removed from many AmigaBasic games, and a few other
games were renamed for clarity.  Icons for data files were removed, to avoid
confusing the new user.  A very small "tug-o-war.doc" file was added.  The
"Hi-Low.doc" file was edited to remove typos and triple spaced lines.
Some logic bugs were removed from "paratroopers".  The windows and icons were
rearranged and snapshot for a nicer presentation.  A small "init.bas" file
was written to provide access to the two ABasiC games, since it proved hard
to provide direct iconic access to more than 1 ABasiC game (Sorry!).  Other
easy to find bugs were removed from various AmigaBasic programs.  Several
redundant files were removed from the Monopoly game set of files.

     The result of all this is a disk with lots of programs, all accessable
directly from the workbench without modification or extra work on the part
of the user, except that a "stack 8192" statement may be necessary at the
start of workbench file "workbench:s/startup-sequence" to make ABasiC happy.
(Since that's not on this disk, I couldn't do it from here!)  Use "ed" from
the CLI to make this change, if needed ( ABasiC fails with an "Insufficient
Stack" message if this change is needed.)

     The monopoly cursor will be the one from the workbench file
"workbench:devs/system-configuration".  If you want the "hand" shaped cursor,
you must either replace your workbench's "system-configuration" file with
the one in "AURA_GAME_04:ABasiC_Games/Monopoly/s/devs/system-configuration",
or build a separate disk for Monopoly following the instructions in
"AURA_GAME_04:ABasiC_Games/Monopoly/InstallationGuide".  For the new user,
this seemed too hard, so monopoly runs on this disk with the existing cursor.

     There is no room on the disk for Polyfractals to save new Mandelbrot
subset pictures, so if you want to save some, spell out the full path name
for the disk and directory, on some other disk.

     Please enjoy this disk!  Given all the files, it still took a work week
to get the disk to work properly from workbench.  Many thanks to the program
authors whose donations made this disk possible!

     Descriptons of .info icon files, and of many data files used by other
programs, are omitted in the review to save space..

     As usual, complaints or plaudits should be directed to the last guy to
mess things up:  Kent Paul Dolan, P.O. Box 1559, Norfolk, Va. 23501-1559.
2974.7ThanksWELSWS::FINNISTue Oct 03 1989 05:548
    Thanks for all the input, did I miss something or can the ABasiC
    from .6 be uploaded..
    	If not is Metacomco the trading name so that I can get there
    phone number..?
    
    		Pete..
    
    
2974.8ABasiC SourceHXOA01::STEEVESTue Oct 03 1989 08:1435
    PETE:
    
    DON'T DESPAIR, THERE IS STILL HOPE!
    
    ABasiC CAN BE HAD FROM "JUMPDISK" DISK MAGAZINE FOR FREE. THROUGH
    A SPECIAL AGREEMENT WITH COMMODORE, JUMPDISK HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO
    DISTRIBUTE THIS SOFTWARE (NO DOCUMENTATION HOWEVER). ALL YOU HAVE
    TO DO IS SEND JUMPDISK A DS/DD DISKETTE ALONG WITH A STAMPED RETURN
    MAILER AND INDICATE YOUR REQUEST. 
    
    ABasiC WAS ALSO INCLUDED ON THE OCT.86 ISSUE.
    
    I MAY AS WELL PLUG JUMPDISK WHILE I'M THIS FAR. I WAS SO IMPRESSED
    WITH THIS "DISKAZINE" WHEN I STARTED BUYING IT LAST FALL THAT I
    SENT FOR ALL THE BACK ISSUES(ALL ARE AVAILABLE) SINCE THE FIRST
    IN AUG.86. AS A MATTER OF INTEREST JUMPDISK IS THE LONGEST RUNNING
    CONTINUALLY PUBLISHED DISK MAGAZINE.
    
    BACK ISSUES, SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND INFORMATION CAN BE OBTAINED FROM:
    
    
    			JUMPDISK
    			1493 MT. VIEW AVE.
    			CHICO, CA 
    			95926
    			(916)343-7658
    
    HOPE THIS FILLS THE VOID FOR ABasiC!
    
    REGARDS,
    
    MURRAY STEEVES
    CUSTOMER SERVICES
    MONCTON, N.B.
    CANADA
2974.9CheersWELSWS::FINNISTue Oct 03 1989 08:528
    Thanks Murray,
    
    	I'll give it a shot after payday, all I can say is that I hope
    that this game of Monopoly is worth it..!!
    Still as you say the magazine may be worth getting involved with.
    
    		Pete.
    
2974.10ABasiC might as well just play both sidesTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersFri Oct 06 1989 01:3712
Re: .9

>    	I'll give it a shot after payday, all I can say is that I hope
>    that this game of Monopoly is worth it..!!

I love Monopoly the board game.  However, playing the ABasiC game
was no fun at all.  It taught me that the fun of Monopoly was in
making my human opponents squirm, and that the "strategy" used in
Monopoly (or at least the strategy that I use) made Monopoly a pretty
dumb boring game (buy any piece of property that you land on).

Sigh!