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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2694.0. "KindWords?" by PEKING::WILLIAMSC () Wed Jun 28 1989 08:32

    Does anyone use KindWords on their Amiga
    
    If so, what do you think about it?
    
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2694.1Memory problems!SYSTEM::HELLIARWed Jun 28 1989 09:4113
    I bought it for my Sister 4 months ago. She's running an A500. What is
    says it can do is pretty spectacular and playing with it myself I
    thought it was worth the money.
    
    However she used to use it a lot and it kept crashing, loosing data,
    wouldn't handle multiple fonts etc etc. This is all contradictory to
    the manual. She did find a little sentence buried deep in the manual
    which said that for the best performance 1 Meg is required (for best
    they obviously mean without it forget it!).
    
    IF you've got one meg then give me  a ring as I would like to know if
    this does cure the problems and would be willing to 'lend' you the
    software to try it out (providing I can copy the originals). 
2694.2GRAHAM HELLIAR, REO-F6-3, DTN 830-3173SYSTEM::HELLIARWed Jun 28 1989 09:461
    
2694.3SAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterWed Jun 28 1989 15:066
    My wife uses it.  I think it's somewhat limited compared to ProWrite,
    but it's got a good spelling checker.  My biggest gripe with it is
    that it won't read or write files to the hard disk---you must copy
    a file to RAM before editing it, and copy it back to hard disk
    afterwards.
        John Sauter
2694.4My $0.02NZOV01::MCKENZIEDiehard the hunterWed Jun 28 1989 17:2216
    I use it on a 1meg machine....I think it is value for the money
    you pay (it cost me around $115 US) but next time...I would save
    a little harder and go up-market a little...
    
    Kindwords seems to be constantly re-drawing the screen and its
    cut/paste facility would have to be one of the slowest on record.
    I have had numerous gurus also. Good spelling checker tho...could
    still mabye do with a little expansion. 
    
    I guess it depends what your after...if you want a simple,reasonably
    cheap WP package - its a good enough deal...just dont expect it
    to perform miricles......
    
    Cheers
    
    Phil
2694.5slow, and a bit strangeJFRSON::OSBORNEBlade WalkerThu Jun 29 1989 10:1223
I use it on a 3 meg 2000. It seems to do what it claims, and I haven't
gotten any gurus lately. I don't have any trouble reading and writing
to a hard disk. I think the manual specifies how to move the program
and its dictionary to hard disk, anyway it was no big deal. It produces
a fair NLQ output on my old Epson JX_80. It is supposed to incorporate
graphics into your text, but I haven't done enough with this to say
how good it is. The latest version has a speller, a thesaurus, and
print merge. I've tried all these and they all work, though the merge
is pretty strange. It has "SuperFonts", which provide a few styles
and sizes of typeface, plus "math", Greek, foreign, and character-
cell graphics.

But it's very SLOW. As mentioned, it redraws the screen whenever you 
mouse the cursor, scroll, cut, paste, or put up a requester or window
over the text window. It has three print modes, one being "draft", and
even to print "draft" seems to take 30 seconds or so to start printing.
Sometimes the screen display can get pretty strange, although it has
somehow recovered.

I use it for an occasional letter. For serious writing, I'd get something
faster and less bizarre.

John O.
2694.6Carefull with graphics claims.....NZOV01::MCKENZIEDiehard the hunterThu Jun 29 1989 17:2446
        be careful with the "supports graphics" claim...yeah it supports
    IFF graphics, BUT you get a full page or NOTHING! I used Deluxepaint
    to design a nice little letterhead for a social club I'm active
    in. When I imported it into KW It drew a box the size of a std screen
    (lo-res) around the letterhead. The letterhead was only about 
    3cm high. The box looks like this
    
    O-------------------------------O------------------------------O
    | L E T T E R H E A D  W A S  A L O N G  T H E  T O P  H E R E |
    | L E T T E R H E A D  W A S  A L O N G  T H E  T O P  H E R E |
    | L E T T E R H E A D  W A S  A L O N G  T H E  T O P  H E R E |
    |                                                              |
    |                              "Y"                             |
    O                                                              O
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    |                                                              |
    O-------------------------------O------------------------------O

                                   "X"
    
        At each of the points that I have marked an "O" was a little box.
    The doc says you can place the pointer on the boxes and move the
    graphics area around to re-size your graphics. Now I took this to
    mean that I could move point "X" to point "Y" and then carry on
    with the letter leaving the letterhead intact. NOT SO! when I tried 
    this...KW crushed the IFF letterhead into an unreadable pulp my
    only option was to print 30 copies of the letterhead and re-feed
    the paper thru the printer and create a new doc/print again.
        
    Phil    
    
    
    
    
         
    
    
    
    
    
2694.7There's more than what you see.VCSESU::MOORETom Moore MRO1-3/SL1 297-5224Thu Jun 29 1989 17:578
Your problem might in what you outputted from DPaint II. You can control the
size of the picture. If you had changed the size of you picture to just
include your leterhead, the box you saw might have been just what you
wanted. In other words, KW might have justly assumed that the white space
after your letterhead was something you wanted.  Give it a try. I'd be
curious if it worked.  Drop me a line if you need further help on resizing
the output from DPaint II. I don't have a manual handy. 
-tom-
2694.8brushes; AmigaTeXSAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterThu Jun 29 1989 18:357
    When I have run into problems of that sort, I have solved them by
    creating a "brush".  A brush can be of any size smaller than the
    screen, and programs which can read IFF files can read brushes.
    
    For serious work, though, I don't use either KindWords or ProWrite.
    I use AmigaTeX.  All three of these packages can read IFF files.
        John Sauter
2694.9ProWrite plugLEDS::ACCIARDIFri Jun 30 1989 02:295
    
    ProWrite handles brushes nicely, and can flow text around, or over the
    graphic.  It also updates the screen quite quickly.
    
    Ed.
2694.10TWO MORE QUESTIONS ON KINDWORDSPEKING::WILLIAMSCTue Jul 04 1989 10:2821
    Two more questions regarding KindWords
    
    I have followed the instructions to copy the program and dictionary
    to the hard disk.  My problem now is how to I get the dictionary
    to work?  I also added the "assign Dictionary: dh0 KindWords" to
    the Workbench (also located on the hard disk)
    
    I have created a document and when I ask it to spell check, I get
    a message saying "Please put dictionary in df0".  Have I done something
    wrong as the only way I can get the dictionary to work is to put
    the dictionary disk in df0 and copy to memory.
    
    
    Question 2:
    
    Is there any way in which I can save the documents to a 5.25" floppy
    instead of the 3.5" disks.  If so, how do I do it.
    
    Just for reference I have an Amiga B2000 with 20mb hard disk, 
    1 x 3.5" disk and 1 x 5.25" floppy drives.
    
2694.115.25" works just like 3.5"SAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterWed Jul 05 1989 08:487
    re: .10
    
    I can deal with the second part, since I have a 5.25" floppy drive.
    If you use the AmigaDOS commands to MOUNT and FORMAT a floppy, you
    should be able to write a file to it just like you write a file to
    a 3.5" floppy.
        John Sauter
2694.12How do I MOUNT?PEKING::WILLIAMSCTue Aug 22 1989 05:2510
    I'm sorry I appear to be a little slow, but could you explain how
    I MOUNT the 5.25" drive.
    
    I know how to get into CLI but where do I type the MOUNT commands
    and what do I call the 5.25" drive so that the Amiga recognises
    it?
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    Collette (Whose learning curve seems to be very long!!)
2694.13Is Anybody There?ODDONE::RANKIN_JThu Oct 11 1990 12:2523
    Is anybody out there using KindWords 2.0?
    
    I,ve just obtained it with a bundled package and I think its great! I
    particularly like its quirkiness some of which has been referred to.
    (There must be something wrong with me!) To me its like some French
    cars, Eccentric because they,re different in some ways but lots of fun
    because of it. Anyway sometimes things can be too "professional". For
    #30 its super value and does my letters proud!
    
    The point of the mail is to ask for some help( and this request is
    pretty basic).
    
    How can I get KindWords to load straight from disk without going
    through the Workbench sequence?
    I,ve been told to edit the start-up sequence and replace workbench with
    Kindwords but I cant get any response to ED on the Kindwords CLI.
    
    Has anyone done this? 
    
    Also how do I keep my Screen Options permanently on the Kindwords disk?
    
    Are these Naff questions? Help would be appreciated.
    
2694.14Run KindWordsCSC32::A_ANDERSONDTN 592-4170 NSU/VAXThu Oct 11 1990 23:3814
    Maybe I do not understand the question.  I just tried it, in my case
    everything is on the harddisk in a sub directory.
    
    CD DH0:KindWords
    run KindWords.
    
    
    Up it came no problem. 
    
    Does this help?
    
    
    
    
2694.15Font Installation?SHIRE::FITZGERALDSoftware is the solutionFri Oct 12 1990 10:3415
    I have recently bought a package called "Publish it" which included
    Kindwords, Publish it, CaleFontsII, a disk of images, the Superfonts
    disk and a disk of laser fonts. (Cost about $70). All of the above is
    in French, including the manual.
    
    I have been succesful in getting the Publish IT torun the Cale Fonts,
    but totally unsuccessful in getting the CaleFonts to come up on the
    Kindwords font menu. Any ideas? I have been trying this by putting an
    "ASSIGN FONTS: CFII:CaleFontsII" in the startup sequence. When it
    executes that it reads the CaleFonts disk and all seems to be well.
    However, they do not appear on the Kindwords menu.
    
    HELP!
    
    Maurice