Conference hydra::amiga_v1

There is now a VMS version of a news reader available that I read about
in ROLL::USENET.  I haven't used it much at all yet (been busy!), but it
looks pretty good.  You can grab a copy from MDKCSW::DUA2:[VNEWS] and
try it out!

...richard

    Since there has been very little (read: none) response, these
    conferences will be discontinued.  Anyone who wants to grab a copy
    of the conference files (AMIGA_USENET and AMIGA_TECH) for archival
    purposes should contact me soon.
    
    Thanks,
    Kip Landingham

    
    Just a thought...
    
    In a  while  it  looks  as  if  there will be a method to do batch
    extractions uning the VMS News Reader.  Would it be useful to have
    someone do this is  batch  nightly  and  put  them  in  the  notes
    conference?  That way we  are  back  to  the  old  way, Notes is a
    little more friendly when looking back and researching etc...
    
    
                Clint....

    I do prefer the VAXnotes style more than the USENET style.  So,
    I would like to see the link resurrected.  But, alot of the old
    notes could be deleted.                 

    Sorry, for that bogus title on the previous reply, but that is what
    you get when you use ^Z to end the request for title.

    re:.0
    
    looks like you're starting to get responses...
    
    I've used VNEWS for a while, it's great, much better than getting
    blasted over quota by usenet mailings.  But, if I ever go on a
    trip or vacation that will mean that I won't be able to read
    the stuff before it gets deleted by the server.  It would be really
    great if it was stashed in a notesfile somewhere.  Please consider
    keep those notesfiles alive.
    
    Thanks,
    -Dave

    
    For me, these conferences are KNOW-HOW-RESOURCES !. I'm a new Amiga-
    Owner and their topics and the clever answers are my (and of course
    a lot of other new users) chance to learn quick about our new
    DREAM-MACHINE.
    So, please keep them alife
    
    THX, 
    Ralf
    ====

    RE: -.*:
    
    I agree, keeping these notefiles for reference materials is a nice
    idea; but, as I stated in .0, I will be losing this ID/disk space
    in the near future, so the issue isn't just the loss of the old
    type of distribution.
    
    I have received mail indicating that it should be possible to maintain
    these notesfiles using the new distribution method (VNEWS?).  I
    hope that someone can set this up on their node.
    
    For anyone who wants to copy the existing conferences, they're at:
    
    	MSBIS""::USE$NET:AMIGA_USENET.NOTE,AMIGA_TECH.NOTE
    
    They're rather large so please try to limit copying to after hours.
    FTSV would be a good idea.  I'll try to put off deleting them as
    long as possible.  If anyone has problems copying, let me know.
    
    Thanks.
    Kip

    
    Although I don't have the disk space to maintain these or upcomming
    notes,I would be very interested in the mechanism that copied the ole
    mails into the conference. This way we'll have something to hack
    at if the shining knight with a RA81 comes by and saves our day.
    I'll try to find a quiet and large disk, but being a temporary employee
    doesn't help things.
    
    <CB>
    

    kip,
    
    i have the disk-space, please modify the protection of the conference-
    files
    
    Ralf
    ====

>================================================================================
>Note 2548.10                 Keep AMIGA conferences?                    10 of 10
>FRAIS2::ZIMMERMANN "NCP> DEF MOD WORK DEST NL:"       7 lines  31-MAY-1989 07:00
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                        -< disk-space - null problemo >-
>
>    kip,
>    
>    i have the disk-space, please modify the protection of the conference-
>    files
>    
>    Ralf
>    ====
>
I had forgotten to remove the ACLs from these files; they should copy ok now.

    Good news,
    
    AMIGA_TECH and AMIGA_USENET have a new 'home'.
    They are now at FRAIS2::AMIGA_TECH and FRAIS2::AMIGA_USENET.
    
    I'm working on procedures to get the regular postings of these
    newsgroups onto FRAIS2:: and add them into these conferences
    to keep these KNOW-HOW resources alife.
    
    So, modify your notebook and enjoy it.
    
    But please give me some time to learn about VNEWS and the other
    stuff, write the batch-procedures .....(or are there any existing
    ...) and in some weeks these notes may be (FULL)filled with high-
    quality informations.
    
    Hope i have enough disk-space.
    
    can anybody point me to an address, where i can register the
    conferences so that they are in the EASYNOTES.LIS ??
    
    Ralf
    ====
    

You should find an already existing note about these conferences in the
EASYNET_CONFERENCES conference.  I'd add a reply stating their new home.

	Hit PF7 to add EASYNET_CONFERENCES to your notebook.

	-Tom-

    
    I just grapped the new UseNotes program by Neil Faiman from
    MOIRA::DUA1:[FAIMAN.TOOLS.USENOTES] and will assist Ralf
    to set the whole shebang up.
    I'll be collecting the new UseNet articles until we get that thing
    going. 
    I also vote to create new a new binary and source group and take
    them out of the Amiga conference.
    
    Regards,
    <CB>
    

Hi folks,

it's going on. The Status as of today:

The older conferences (from MSBIS::) are now on:
   FRAIS2::AMIGA_USENET         old comp.SYS.amiga postings until MAR/JUN-89
   FRAIS2::AMIGA_TECH           old (and new) comp.sys.amiga.TECH postings

(as remarked in .12)
--------------------


The NEW conferences are:
   FRAIS2::AMIGA_BINARIES       comp.BINARIES.amiga postings
   FRAIS2::AMIGA_SOURCES        comp.SOURCES.amiga postings
   FRAIS2::AMIGA_SYS            comp.SYS.amiga postings STARTING WITH 15-JUN-89

Hit KP7 to add them to your notebook.
-------------------------------------


I'm working on the batch-procedures for the total automation of extracting
update and insertion of usenet-postings into these conferences.

Status: - Extract (via VNEWS) and Insert (via USENOTES) is OK !
        - Batch-procedure for the above; Test-Phase
        Estimated end-of-write/test = next thursday 8^)

        There should nothing lost, because during the test-phase i
        run the procedures interactive each day.



a nice weekend for all of you

Ralf
====

    Yep,
    
    it looks good.
    This night (03:00 central european time) the first 'official' run
    of my news-reader starts (in batch). Resubmitting seems ok.
    
    Can anybody tell me, in which US-time-zone SHLUMP 'lives'.
    I don't want to bother this machine during times when 'its' users
    have to work.
    
    Thanks
    
    Ralf
    ====

    I believe SHLUMP is a FTAM/OSI machine, and is located in 
    Littleton, MA.  I'll check to make sure, and post if different.
    
    Steve - IBM interconnect, right next to FTAM'ers

    Thanks,
    
    the Batch-job runs fine tonight and all postings seems to be OK.
    most of the notes come from TECH and SYS.
    
    Enjoy it,
    
    Ralf
    ====

    It seems that there are big problems on SHLUMP's news-server.
    <CB> told me that the System-Manager has been informed and tried to
    fix them, but was not successful......
    The last postings are from the 28th of October.
    
    So don't panic there should nothing lost when the server restarts
    
    Ralf
    ====

    It's OK,
    
    Since 03-nov-1989 03:00 CET runs a job on FRAIS2 to grab all the
    new notes from usenet. The major problem is the usenotes-utility
    which is very SSSLLLLOOOW. There are TONS of new stuff in TECH,
    SYS, BINARIES and SOURCES.
    
    Enjoy,
    
    Ralf
    ====

    Hi Amigos,
    
    AMIGA_USENET has been moved to FRSOLD::
    
    Use the following commands to modify your notebook:
    
    	MODIFY ENTRY AMIGA_USENET /FILE=FRSOLD::AMIGA_USENET
    
    The other conferences will be moved to FRSOLD 'til end of December '89
    
    
    ralf
    ====

Hi again,

the OTHER conferences have been moved from FRAIS2 to FRSOLD
Use the following commands to modify your notebook:

        MODIFY ENTRY AMIGA_BINARIES /FILE=FRSOLD::AMIGA_BINARIES
        MODIFY ENTRY AMIGA_SOURCES /FILE=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SOURCES
        MODIFY ENTRY AMIGA_TECH /FILE=FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH
        MODIFY ENTRY AMIGA_SYS /FILE=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS

So long,

Ralf
====

Hi friends,

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS becomes larger and larger...  Last year i thought i could
handle one complete year of SYS-postings, but the notesfile is now more
than 100,000 blocks and a typical USENOTES-run is about 9 - 18 hours
depending on the size of the extracted postings. So if there is a problem
anywhere (extracting via net, or one of the rare batch/crash problems on
FRSOLD) there is no more chance to resubmit the usenotes-run, catch the
next days postings, USENOTES them and so on.. to keep the sequence of the
notesfile similar to comp.sys.amiga.

So i decided the following:

        1.) rename the ACTUAL FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS to FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_1
        2.) create a 'new' FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS

        if necessary rename the AMIGA_SYS to AMIGA_SYS_n when the file
        reached an 'unhandy' size.


This action will be done on WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14th, at 1900 Central
European Time  =  0100 p.m  U.S. eastern-time.
Please give me 1 hour time to rename, create and backup all the
conference-files (mean keep the fingers away, so i don't have to stop
the notes-server :-) ;-) :-{] :-| :-)

Any comments or suggestions about this??

So long and see 'ya in a fresh FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS

Ralf
====

It's done,

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_1  are the usenet comp.sys.amiga postings from June/July
                     1989 up to 13/14-Mar-1990.

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS    is the continuation from 14/15-Mar-1990 on. Maybe the
                     conference is 'handy' for the next 6 months.
                NOTE : this will be the OFFICIAL AMIGA_SYS as registered
                       in EASYNOTES.LIS

It seems that i have the disk-space for a next year with ALL of our usenet-
conferences.!  :-)  Nothing is lost since they're started on DUSTER:: and
MSBIS::.  For the complete history of the usenet-postings read topic 2548.*


I suggest to make the following modifications to your notebooks:

    Notes> set entry AMIGA_SYS /file=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_1
    Notes> set entry AMIGA_SYS /name=AMIGA_SYS_1

and then

     Notes> add entry AMIGA_SYS /name=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS

this should enter the 'new' AMIGA_SYS and keep the 'old' AMIGA_SYS
as AMIGA_SYS_1 with the original seen/unseen-status.

Enjoy,

Ralf
====

Hi noters,

Again .....It's time for a small reorganisation of the Amiga-related
UseNet-conferences. The following actions will be done today:

        1.) rename the ACTUAL FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS to FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_2
        2.) create a 'new' FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS for the actual notes

        3.) rename the ACTUAL FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH to FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH_1
        4.) create a 'new' FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH for the actual notes



Then the conference-overview will look like this:


FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_1  are the usenet comp.sys.amiga postings from June/July
                     1989 UP TO 13/14-Mar-1990.

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_2  is the continuation from 14/15-Mar-1990 on UNTIL
                     17/18-Aug-1990

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS    is the continuation FROM 17/18-Aug-1990 on.

                NOTE : this will be the OFFICIAL AMIGA_SYS as registered
                       in EASYNOTES.LIS


FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH_1  are the usenet comp.sys.amiga.tech postings
                     UP TO 17/18-Aug-1990.

FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH    is the continuation FROM 17/18-Aug-1990 on.

                NOTE : this will be the OFFICIAL AMIGA_TECH as registered
                       in EASYNOTES.LIS


The disk-space becomes smaller and smaller! The following is the directory
of FRSOLD::NOTES$LIBRARY:

Directory IS$NOTES:[NOTES$LIBRARY]      as of 17-Aug-1990:08:30

AMIGA_BINARIES.NOTE;2
                      71940/71940   13-JUN-1989 10:42:57.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
AMIGA_HARDWARE.NOTE;1
                      17997/17997    1-FEB-1990 07:56:51.44  (RWE,RWE,RE,)
AMIGA_SOURCES.NOTE;2
                      54750/54750   13-JUN-1989 10:40:02.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
AMIGA_SYS.NOTE;1      68421/68421   14-MAR-1990 19:02:11.37  (RWE,RWE,RE,)
AMIGA_SYS_1.NOTE;1   102084/102084  15-JUN-1989 15:38:41.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
AMIGA_TECH.NOTE;3     92400/92400   12-APR-1988 06:47:50.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
AMIGA_USENET.NOTE;2
                     163242/163242   9-DEC-1987 12:25:17.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 7 files, 570834/570834 blocks.



FACT IS: I cannot spent MORE than ONE RA81 for the conferences. An RA81
has a total of 891,072 Blocks. I need 50,000 to 100,000 Blocks for
the extract.

So we have to decide in some months or so, which conferences we don't need
anymore.



I suggest to make the following modifications to your notebooks:

    Notes> set entry AMIGA_SYS /file=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS_2
    Notes> set entry AMIGA_SYS /name=AMIGA_SYS_2

    Notes> set entry AMIGA_TECH /file=FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH_1
    Notes> set entry AMIGA_TECH /name=AMIGA_TECH_1

and then

     Notes> add entry AMIGA_SYS /name=FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS
     Notes> add entry AMIGA_TECH /name=FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH

this should enter the 'new' AMIGA_SYS/TECH and keep the 'old' AMIGA_SYS/TECH
as AMIGA_SYS_2/TECH_1 with the original seen/unseen-status.

Enjoy,

Ralf
====

    Thanks alot Ralf, we really appreciate it!
    
    On thing though, do you think you could add comp.sys.amiga.games?
    It's not very busy and probably wouldn't take up much disk space.
    
    You already have comp.sys.amiga.hardware, right?
                                                                     
    Thanks,
    Steve
    

Hi friends,

According to the usenet comp.sys.amiga.* reorg i picked up several
of the new newsgroups and put them into VAXnotes-conferences in the
known way.

As everybody knows there are SOME disk-space-problems on FRSOLD.
One RA81 for "non-work-related" stuff must be enough  :-)
So i used the chance to pass some stuff from which I THINK (my personal
opinion) which eats to much disk-space in FRSOLD's NOTES$LIBRARY.

Due to this and talking with other Amigos i created the following new
conferences:

FRSOLD::AMIGA_MISC              - comp.sys.amiga.misc
FRSOLD::AMIGA_PROG              - comp.sys.amiga.programmer
FRSOLD::AMIGA_REVIEWS           - comp.sys.amiga.reviews
FRSOLD::AMIGA_INTRO             - comp.sys.amiga.introduction
FRSOLD::AMIGA_APPL              - comp.sys.amiga.application
FRSOLD::AMIGA_DATACOMM          - comp.sys.amiga.datacomm


The older conferences are still there:

FRSOLD::AMIGA_SYS*              - comp.sys.amiga
FRSOLD::AMIGA_TECH*             - comp.sys.amiga.tech
FRSOLD::AMIGA_HARD              - comp.sys.amiga.hardware
FRSOLD::AMIGA_USENET            - comp.sys.amiga  VERY OLD !

It seems that there comes still a lot of traffic over the
comp.sys.amiga, so it makes sense to follow them for the next
weeks. If there is a need i rename the actual AMIGA_SYS to
AMIGA_SYS_3 to speed up the USENOTES run.


I hope everybody supports my efforts..... by doing the necessary
modifications in their notebook..... and read the notesfiles.

Uuups i forgot,  a happy new year to all.


Ralf
====

    
    Due to a diskspace-corruption on one of FRSOLD's disks i lost parts
    of the NEWSRC.NEWSRC-file. the result was a confusion between the
    extract- and insert-batch. This happens at the 28th of December 1991.
    Everything is fixed now, and <NO> note/repliy is lost.
    
    Happy new year,
    
    Ralf
    ====

    
    Hi,
    
    due to the increasing disk-space-problems on the notes-disk (RA81)
    i copied AMIGA_USENET to another disk!
    
    To access AMIGA_USENET (the very old conference) modify your notebook
    in the following way:
    
    Notes> set entry amiga_usenet /file=frsold::is$sys:[notes$library] -
           _amiga_usenet
    
    Ok , i would like to collect some opinions about the AMIGA_USENET
    conference: anyone need this (the last entry is from Jun-1989)
    	   	can we get rid of it (let's say in some weeks/months)?
    		can anyone provide a new home?
    
    send me mail or reply here,
    
    Ralf
    ====