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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2295.0. "Greed v. Compatability" by JGO::CHAPMAN () Wed Mar 01 1989 03:38

    In the Amiga news column of this month's Personal Computer World
    (British mag), there is a moan about incompatabilities betwen amiga
    models (ie nofastmem, A2000 keyboard timing etc). It goes on to
    say that some US software producers are now producing software that
    detects whether it is ruinning on a US or European machine, and
    will refuse to work on a European machine. (I presume the motive
    is the outrageous margin they can charge in most of Europe)
    
    Oh God, how stupid. Can anyone confirm it, with names of offenders.
    
    Colin 
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2295.1LEVERS::PLOUFFSemipro SemiologistWed Mar 01 1989 09:302
    Probably the motive is different default screen sizes for NTSC (North
    America) and PAL (Europe) machines.
2295.2Not true.AYOV28::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieWed Mar 01 1989 10:3410
�    Probably the motive is different default screen sizes for NTSC (North
�    America) and PAL (Europe) machines.

    This COULD be true if it was the other way round (i.e. European
    S/W being used in the US) as the European Amigas have a higher vertical
    resolution (256/512 vs 200/400). There is however NO restriction
    on US S/W running on European machines - it only means that it uses
    only 80% of the display.
    
    				Alan T.
2295.3U.S. <> Europe ?SCUBA::WILTSHIREDave Wiltshire - CSSE EuropeWed Mar 01 1989 12:436
    If I buy Amiga Software while I'm in the U.S., does this mean that
    the screen display will be of a lower resolution than if I had
    bought the same product in Europe i.e. are there distinct European
    and U.S versions ?
    
    -Dave.
2295.4A possibilityBOMBE::MOORESo many holes to plugThu Mar 02 1989 02:442
    In some cases (Arkanoid springs to mind) there could be license
    restrictions against exporting the program.
2295.5OK to buy in USJGO::CHAPMANThu Mar 02 1989 03:3135
    Re -2
    
    I have bought software when I have been over in the US (Pro-Write
    and a couple of other things). For well behaved programs this is
    no problem whatsover; windows simply expand to fill the extra space
    available on a PAL machine. For games, have a look next time you
    run one. Often the bottom 15-20% is blank, but it doesn't detract.
    I have many games, purchased in Europe which do this, Marble Madness
    springs to mind.
    
    Some of my recent purchases (games) DO seem to be full screen -never
    thought about it up to now, ie Starglider 2. This could be because
    it is European origin anyway. Does this mean there are two versions,
    or this there one version which detects which machine it is running
    on - I don't know. But in any case anything you buy in the US should
    work, but maybe you could get a European version in limited cases.
    In many cases what you buy in Eorope are direct US imports by dealers
    anyway. For example, Faery Tale Adventure has only had a European
    distributor for a couple of months although it has been available
    mail order for a long time.
    
    So, buy in the US if you wish, for 'real' software. You might as
    well buy games here, as there is little price differential now.
    At least this is what I would have said until I read about the main
    subject of this note. I still think it's stupid. Before you know
    where we are we will have separate versions for Luxembourg and
    Lichtenstein. The only thing more stupid is trying to put notices
    like Arkanoid do (.2?), ie "Use (not Export, I think) outside the US 
    prohibited." A friend of mine has a shop purchased version that says 
    this on the intro screen. What will all you Arkanoid owners in the US 
    do when you relocate to Europe - leave Arkanoid behind. Can you think 
    of ANY other product that could get away with that. 
    
    Colin
                          
2295.6IGETIT::ELLISMPurring on a straight six....Fri Mar 03 1989 03:3020
    There are different versions for different standards. I'm sure I
    can remember a while back that someone was complaining about buying
    something in the US, and when they got back to Europe - it didn't
    work.
    
    I think it is something to do greed. There seems to be a higher
    mark up on everything to do with computers in Europe.
    
    By the way, the same article that started this, was probably on
    par with Byte. Whoever wrote the article was obviously an ST fan.
    The whole article was about alternatives to the MAC and IBM PC for
    a business system. They concluded the ST section by saying that
    the ST was wonderful, mainly because of the massive amount of software
    available, like Word Perfect and VIP professional (Funny - thought
    I had those for the Amiga!). The major problem for the Amiga was
    it's 'buggy operating system', and it's lack of software. They did,
    grudgingly, admit that the Amiga was good for Video work.
    
    Martin
    
2295.7ACE::SANDERSFri Mar 03 1989 09:2724
        re: -.1, People that get paid to write articles should be
        objective above all else.  If the same software is available for
        all the machines mentioned, then the tradeoff is what machine can
        perform the task with the least long term cost.  People that
        write articles like the one mentioned really upset me.  As an
        example the folks that publish Home and Family computing (or
        something along those lines) dropped all Atari and Amiga
        coverage, but still cover 8-bit Apples, along with what they
        believe a home business needs for a computer - PCs and Macs.
        Same biased uninformed viewpoint that the author of the mentioned
        article had.
        
        On the subject of Greed, some of the increase may be due to the
        effects of taxes and insurance.  Back when I lived in Eastern
        Mass., it was rare to be able to get more then 15% off list for
        any piece of Atari software.  Out here in both Albuquerque and
        Phoenix, I can expect 20% off list just walking into the door,
        and in Albuquerque I tend to find a bit more off the price.  The
        only way I can account for this is the difference in the real
        cost of living, not just the sales tax, but the cost of doing
        business.
        
        Bob