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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2271.0. "A2000 + A2500 prices" by MARCIE::GDEJULIO () Fri Feb 24 1989 10:36

    
    
    I'm currently checking out prices for a new computer which I hope
    to buy within the next 6 months.  I've narrowed my choices down
    to 4 computers:  Amiga 2000, Amiga 2500, Macintosh IIcx and SE/030.
    
    I was wondering what these Amigas are currently selling for and
    where I could get a decent deal on them.  Also, does anyone have
    any specs for these computers?  For instance, screen resolutions,
    disk drives, hard drives, clock speed, software incompatibilities,
    number of colors, and is there much flicker at Hi Res?
    
    Do the Mac emulators really run most of the important Mac software?
    I am torn between the much less expensive and more powerful color
    Amigas and the more expensive (B&W or color) always hi res, flicker
    free Macintoshes which I have alot of software for.
    
    Thanks,
    
    - Jeff C.
    
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2271.1MAC software compatibilitySAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterFri Feb 24 1989 11:0111
    Software compatibility isn't a given.  I was in the position you are in
    about two years ago, when the Macintosh II first came out.  I wanted to
    do music on my new home computer, so I tried Deluxe Music Construction
    Set on a color Macintosh II.  It didn't work, and the dealer had no
    information on when it might be fixed.  While I waited for it, the
    Amiga 2000 came out, with Deluxe Music Construction Set, and I bought
    it instead.
    
    So, check the software you are interested in before buying a Macintosh
    II/whatever.
        John Sauter
2271.2Prefer listening to experienceMARCIE::GDEJULIOFri Feb 24 1989 12:3816
    
    I've been researching the latested Mac's and have a great deal of
    information about them.  However, it is a little harder to find
    out what is out there for the Amiga.  It is hard to find any
    information about what the prices are and what is coming out, because
    there aren't many places that sell anything more than the A500,
    and I don't know the places that do.  Besides, I do not always trust
    what dealers say, because there are a great deal of them who don't
    know the specifics about the computers they are selling and are
    totally incapable of comparing and contasting them to other makes.
    Is the A2500 out yet?  I would like to find out more about.
    
    Thanks,
    
    - Jeff C.
    
2271.3A2500 infoLEDS::ACCIARDIFri Feb 24 1989 17:04139
    
    The A2500 is absolutely real.  In fact, it's almost impossible to get
    an A2620 board (this board upgrades an A2000 to an A2500) since the
    A2500s are selling pretty briskly.  If you thought the vanilla Amiga
    felt fast, you must try one of these.  This machine feels like a
    Ferrari. 

    I don't believe you mentioned where you were located, but there are a
    few Amiga dealers in the Worcester/Boston area.  The ones I know of
    (there may be more) are... 

    The Software Shop in Worcester, MA 
    (508) 756-6452 
    (Good prices, mediocre to terrible support) 

    The Memory Location in Wellesley, MA 
    (617) 237-6848 
    (Higher prices, but fantastic support and service) 

    OmniTek, Tewksbury, MA 
                          
    The Bit Bucket, Sudbury & Newton MA 

    These prices are representative of the dealer I usually do business
    with. He is actually a fairly large mail-order operation with a walk-in
    showroom.  He has Amiga 500/2000/2500 models in stock and on display.
    Don't expect a lot of hand holding or support from this guy, but his
    prices on software are very good; hardware prices are only fair.  If
    you went through an issue of AmigaWorld magazine, you'd certainly be
    able to put together a cheaper package if you bought each component
    from the cheapest vendor.  Anyway... 

	Amiga 2500
	3 MB RAM
	40 MB 28 ms HD
	2090A Auto-Boot SCSI/DMA controller
	14.28 MHz 68020/68881/MMU
	7.14 MHz 68000
	(1) 880K microfloppy
	keyboard & mouse                       $3649.00

	MicroWay De-interlacer card             $495.00
	(provides MacII quality display. You
	certainly don't NEED this, but it's
	a real beauty)

	MultiSync Monitor                       $500.00
	(mail order prices range from
	$450 to $700, depending on model.
	I've seen Princeton UltraSyncs as
	low as $500)

	TOTAL                                  $4644.00

    This total can vary by as much as +/- $300 or more, depending again on
    where you shop.  You could save some money by buying the standard Amiga
    1084S monitor for $300-$350.  This is a pretty average RGB monitor, but
    it has a decent stero amplifier and speakers built in.  Remember, you
    don't NEED the de-interlacer card, but the current 640 x 400 mode is
    interlaced, so an ordinary monitor will flicker to varying degrees,
    depending on the combinations of screen colors used.  Trust only your
    own eyes, since some people find the flicker bearable, others can't
    tolerate it.  Also remember that most software defaults to 640 x 200
    (non-interlaced) mode, with the option of running in 640 x 400 mode.
    Also know that Commodore has been developing an Enhanced Chip Set for
    the Amiga that will offer a new non-interlaced 640 x 400 4 color mode.
    This new mode will use a 31.5 KHz horizontal scan rate (same as
    VGA/MacII, & FlickerFixer) and will require a multisync monitor.
    However, until this upgrade becomes Genuinely Available, treat it as
    heresay. 

    OK, on to your other questions ... 

    All Amiga models currently have the same display specifications... 

    320 x 200 x 2/4/8/16/32/64 colors from pallette of 4096 
    320 x 400 x 2/4/8/16/32/64   "     "     "     "    " 

    320 x 200 x 4096 colors on screen at once (HAM mode) 
    320 x 400 x 4096   "    "    "    "   "     " 

    640 x 200 x 2/4/8/16 colors from pallette of 4096 
    640 x 400 x 2/4/8/16    "     "      "    "   " 

    Enhanced Chip Set - All of the above, plus 640 x 400 x 4 colors
    NON_INTERLACED from a pallette of 64.  Vapor as of this date, although
    some developers do have these new chips. 

    In addition, the Amiga display hardware supports Overscan in all modes.
    Overscan, simply put, is essential for video work, where you'd like to
    eliminate the border around the working display area.  Overscan
    resolutions are as large as 704 x 480 in Hi-Res. 

    In a nutshell, the Amiga display can be any combination of two states:
    High or Low resolution (640 or 320 horizontal pixels) and interlace or
    non-interlace (400 or 200 lines) with the current exception of 640 x
    400 non-interlaced.  If low resolution is specified, up to 6 bit-planes
    are possible (64 colors).  High resolution currently restricts you to 4
    bitplanes (16 colors).  Note that going to interlace in any display
    mode merely doubles the video memory requirements, not the actual video
    bandwidth, since the hardware is taking twice as long to display the
    same image. 

    HAM mode is a clever way of getting 6 bit planes to display as many
    colors as a 12 bit plane display.  For an explanation of HAM mode, see
    the current (March 89) issue of AmigaWorld. 

    If you have an eye towards the future, Commodore has announced a
    professional video card for the A2000/A2500 models.  This card uses the
    Brooktree chipset and the TI 34*** high-speed graphics chip to provide
    a 16.7 million color pallette and 8 (maybe 24?) bit planes.  Again,
    this is only vapor until the board actually ships. 

    Software incompatibility - I haven't heard of any, except a few games
    that were ports from other machines.  The Amiga developer guidelines
    are very clear in providing upwards growth to '020 and '030 Motorola
    processors.  The use of 32-bit relative addressing ensures that
    programs will always try to load themselves into 32 bit memory, if
    present.  At any rate, it should be less troublesome than some of the
    Mac II incompatibilities I read about in the Mac notesfile.  As a last
    resort, you can boot the A2500 as a vanilla A2000 by simply depressing
    both mouse buttons after doing a warm reboot.  A menu is presented
    allowing selection of 68000 AmigaDOS, 68020 AmigaDOS, or 68020 UNIX. If
    you select 68000 mode, you will have a box stock A2000 running at 7.14
    MHz. 

    Hope this helps.  Remember the most important thing is to make sure
    that the software YOU want is available before you buy.  The type of
    software available for the Mac is very slick and professional, geared
    for the technical manager and marketing types.  Amiga stuff is more
    video and graphics oriented (with a VERY strong entertainment
    offering).  There ARE excellent spreadsheets, databases, desktop
    publishers, word proccessors, etc, but nothing that would put the Mac
    out of business. 

    Ed. 
    

2271.4LEDS::ACCIARDIFri Feb 24 1989 17:087
    
    Forgot to mention... see note 1633 for an unbiased (right) discussion
    of the Amiga versus the Mac SE.
    
    Ed.
    
    
2271.5MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Sun Feb 26 1989 12:012
    Ed, you also forgot to mention Half-Bright mode that doubles the
    colors.
2271.6?LEDS::ACCIARDISun Feb 26 1989 23:016
    
    I thought the 64 colors in low res was the extra half-bright mode.
    Does EHB work at all in hi-res?
    
    Ed.
    
2271.7Ed's rightTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersMon Feb 27 1989 20:354
Re: .5, .6

Ed got this right.  EHB, like HAM, is only available in low resolution (but
either interlace) and is the 64 color mode.
2271.8Prices at a moderately knowledgeable storeLEVERS::PLOUFFSemipro SemiologistMon Mar 06 1989 16:5519
    Recent prices at Bit Bucket stores in Sudbury and Newton, Mass. --
    
    A500 standard model plus free VCR 		$1089 "Blowout" (Ha!)
    
    A2000HD					$2399
    	68000 CPU  7.16 MHz
    	1 MByte RAM
    	1 floppy drive plus 40 MByte, 28 ms hard disk
    
    A2500					$3759
    	as described in a previous reply
    
    A2620					"Don't know if we stock"
    	68020 accelerator card
    	2 MByte RAM
    
    These prices are good "probably through March."  The salesman at
    Sudbury was not the most knowledgeable, though one of the demo machines
    was a 2000HD.  Boy, is that fast hard disk nice...
2271.9LEDS::ACCIARDIMon Mar 06 1989 22:5724
    
    Here's some mail order prices from the latest (April) issue of
    AmigaWorld:
    
    Montomery Grant - 1-800-759-6565
    
    Amiga 500/1084S				$799
    Amiga 500/1084S/1010 Floppy			$989
    
    Amiga 2000				       $1399
    Amiga 2000/1084S			       $1689
    Amiga 2000 HD			       $1999
    Amiga 2500				       $3199
    
    Prices for the A2620 Accelerator (upgrades an A2000 to an A2500)
    
    The Software Shop (800) 752-0050	       $1449
    MCP Associates    (718) 956-9000           $1399
    
    This is in no way intended as an endorsement for any of these firms.
    
    Ed.