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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2229.0. "Mouse problems" by KIBITZ::KAUFMAN () Sat Feb 11 1989 22:20

    I've had a problem with my mouse from day 1 that has gotten worse
    lately.  I'm curious as to whether this is common or fixable.
    
    My mouse likes to move the cursor up and left but not down and right.
    It takes considerably more physical movement to get the cursor to
    move in the non-preferred direction, and the cursor often "sticks"
    and won't move at all when trying to move it right or down.
    
    I'm fairly certain the problem is mechanical - the metal rollers
    inside the mouse are equally willing to move in either direction
    and the cursor always responds if I poke them directly.  It seems
    to be the ball which has a preferred direction for rolling.
    
    I've tried cleaning the ball and the rollers per the instructions
    in the manual.  The rollers started out clean and shiny and are
    now permanently corroded but still smooth feeling to the touch.
    I assume this is normal wear and tear.
    
    Any ideas?  I've found it impossible to play mouse based games for
    a while and now its getting to be tricky getting multilevel menus
    to work.  Does anybody sell a better mouse, or do I just need a
    new one?
    
    btw... I did get a mouse mat early on.  It helped but not enough.
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2229.1IFTHEN::PETERSMon Feb 13 1989 14:208
    
    
    	I had mouse problems like this. I fixed it by cleaning the
    little shinny rollers. To clean them I removed them from the
    mouse and worked on them until they were shinny again.
    
    		Steve Peters
    
2229.2NZOV01::MCKENZIENuke the Leprechaun!Mon Feb 13 1989 18:567
    I did the same thing and got good results - sometimes a little bit
    of dirt gets caught etc
    
    if you havent already purchased on I'd suggest buying a mouse pad
    also - their reasonably priced and make a lot of difference
    
    Phil
2229.3Loose lips sinks ships.COMPSV::MYEECare about Ecology? Call 800-225-5333Mon Feb 13 1989 19:2120
    
    I had a similar problem.  A friend of mine was playing Marble Madness
    with the mouse and he was picking up the mouse and BANGing it on
    the table.  After he left, my mouse would not move the pointer
    consistantly.  I would get a noise as I moved my mouse across my
    desk (it took me a while to find this out, because my mouse pad
    dampen the noise).  I clean the whole thing, and even took the mouse
    apart.  But, nothing helped.  It would work for a while and then
    the problem would come back.
    
    It turned out that there was a indention in the mouse ball, but
    I don't think that was the problem.  I think the problem was that
    the little panel at the bottom of the mouse that keeps the ball
    in was loose.  So, I tried to bend it abit to make the little hook
    on better to the mouse.  I did this about a week ago and no problems
    since!  Hope this helps....
    
    
    =Mike
    
2229.4Watch for this problemMEIS::ZIMMERMANNinja turtles fight with honor!Mon Feb 13 1989 20:127
    My mouse got a little sluggish so I took it apart, cleaned, and
    spritzed bearing points with a little Teflon spray.  In the process,
    I gunked up the little holes in the plastic wheel that's attached to
    one of the roller spindles.  They looked open, but they needed to be
    REALLY open.  Cleaning the wheel fixed the problem.  Works fine now.

    - Cliff
2229.5Old mouse New mouseCANAM::SULLIVANSteven E. SullivanTue Feb 14 1989 13:1823
    I  have  two amigas (500 and 2000) which have different styles of
mice. The older style is like what has been described here and I have
had problems with it (mouse pad or not, though a "teflon"  pad  works
best)  as described here. I am frequently cleaning it and the rollers
are pitted with corosion though they "feel" smooth.

    The newer mouse has a different plate that the one above. It also
has  plastic rollers that do not seem to accumulate dirt like the old
mouse. It is far more responsive and accurate than the old mouse.

    The  two  varieties  of  mice can be distinguished easily without
taking them apart. The older mouse's plate for holding the ball in is
not round and comes out in a straight sliding  motion.  It  has  four
small  teflon  pads  to  slide on. The new mouse has a circular plate
that is removed by rotating it. It has  two  crescent  shaped  teflon
pads above and below the ball plate.

    My recommendation is to get the newer style of mouse when you can
no  longer  stand the old one. I have not reached that point yet, but
can see it coming. Until then clean it as suggested in  the  previous
replies and be prepared for it to have problems again.

	-SES
2229.6mouse cannot eat cat hairJFRSON::OSBORNEBlade WalkerThu Feb 16 1989 08:1815
If you haven't completely removed the bottom plate on your mouse, 
do so before investing in a new mouse. Mine began to act up, so after
the usual ball cleaning, with no improvement, I removed the bottom
plate completely to examine the roller shafts.

I have cats, and while they don't get on the computer desk, cat hair
finds its way into things. The roller shafts were jamming from cat
hair wrapped around them near the bearings. A few minutes work clears
this- and the symptoms are similar to yours- one way works, the other
jams. 

Cats can be full of mouse hair without much danger, but obviously the
opposite is not true.

John O.
2229.7..and my food, and my drink, and...LEDS::ACCIARDIThu Feb 16 1989 08:205
    
    I also had cat hairs wrapped around my mouse's bearing points. 
    Tweezers and compressed air got them out.
    
    Ed.
2229.8an alternative to shaving the cat ...MEIS::ZIMMERMANNinja turtles fight with honor!Thu Feb 16 1989 10:384
    I saw an ad for an optical mouse in the March AmigaWorld, page 70. 
    The price was $114, but there are no moving parts to catch cat hair. 

    - Z
2229.9Dead mice don't squeak.SUBSYS::BUSCHDave Busch, NKS1-2/H6Thu Feb 16 1989 14:3912
< Note 2229.5 by CANAM::SULLIVAN "Steven E. Sullivan" >
                            -< Old mouse New mouse >-

I had the exact same problem, and solution. The mouse that came with my A500 
when I bought it in October had the "slide out" ball retainer. I tried 
lubricating, cleaning etc. but not much good. There seemed to be a problem with
the third wheel inside, the one that presses the ball against the other two 
wheels. Finally, in desperation, I took it back to the Memory Location in 
Wellesley MA. and they cheerfully gave me one of the newer ones with the 
circular retaining plates in exchange.

Dave
2229.10If it comes to the crunch...FLOCON::KENNEDYSun Feb 19 1989 06:1617
	If you do have to invest in a new mouse, I've seen an ad in a UK
	magazine for Amiga mice for #24.99 (that's about $42) from a company
	called DATEL ELECTRONICS. The ad reads;

		REPLACEMENT MOUSE
		- Fully Amiga compatible
		- Rubber coated ball
		- Optical type

	There's a picture too and the thing doesn't look bad.

	I think DATEL are a UK company and I know that they have a
	distributor in the states as I saw an ad in january's AmigaWorld,
	if not they do ship overseas.

Keith

2229.11Bouncing mouse buttonsFORTY2::TATHAMNick Tatham @REOSun Feb 19 1989 14:4525
A different mouse problem is a bouncing button. I fixed mine thanks to some
information in a letter in an old Amiga magazine, so here is the letter
typed in in case it can help someone else:

"I recently discovered a mouse cure that may be helpful to others. When I
clicked on an icon, it acted as if I had double clicked it, and when I used
sizing gadgets, they wouldn't always work smoothly. It was as if the
computer was receiving the wrong number of mouse-button clicks. I opened
the mouse to see if it was a dirty switch.

To do this, turn the power off and disconnect the mouse from the computer.
Remove the two screws on the bottom where the cable comes into the mouse.
This will expose two wafer switches. The switches consist of a dome-shaped
piece of metal with a dimple in the centre held over a C-shaped
printed-circuit trace with tape. The dimple of the upper contact should be
centred so that the mouse button hits it -- mine was off centre. (You
should notice marks on the tape where the mouse button is making contact.)
I removed the tape, recentred the contact on the trace and replaced the
tape. I haven't had any problems with misinterpreted mouse clicks since."

Hope that helps someone - it did me.

Nick

2229.12Look inside at the action.VCSESU::MOORETom Moore MRO1-3/SL1 297-5224Sun Feb 26 1989 16:1410
    For what it's worth, I have one of the new type and have had problems
    lately.  I have a mouse pad, and everything's about 15 months old. My
    mouse was hanging going left and up. I first cleaned out all the dirt
    on the rollers and the lint and fuzz around the axle.  This did not
    seem to fix the problem. Today I took off the top and watched it
    work. The ball was sliding on the mat. I wiped the ball real hard with
    a cloth and it seems O.K. again. I still don't know what is causing it
    to hang. it might be the third roller. Taking the top off was real
    helpful to understand the problem. 
	-Tom-