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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

2213.0. "Snythia,sonix & future sound" by GUCCI::HERB () Mon Feb 06 1989 21:21

    Can you play Synthia instruments in Sonix?
    
    When I use the basic program that comes with future sound to load
    up a digitized sound and play it,I hear a deep rumbling noise instead
    of what it is suppose to sound like. WHY??!?!?
    
               Matt
    
    
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2213.1MUNICH::CARLIBernardo da Vinci - the Amiga geniusTue Feb 07 1989 03:024
    
    Synthia creates instruments and sounds in IFF. So there's no problem to
    use them with Sonix.
    
2213.2GUCCI::HERBTue Feb 07 1989 07:324
    Would it be .ss or .instr at the end of the instrument?
    
             Matt
    
2213.3.instrLOWLIF::DAVISThat's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!Tue Feb 07 1989 19:353
I believe it would be .instr for the file extention.

...richard
2213.4:-(GUCCI::HERBFri Feb 10 1989 07:355
    I have tried that and when I try to load it from Sonix it says"
    can't load instrument from disk".
    
    Matt
    
2213.5IFF?WJG::GUINEAUFri Feb 10 1989 07:5025
The problem is that while they all use IFF, they don't all use the same
IFF *FORM* chunks.

I believe:

Sonix uses FORM.SMUS
DMCS  uses FORM.8SVX

Both are perfectly valid IFF formats. And both fully documented in the IFF spec.

However, both are not identicle. And if Sonix doesn't know how to read 8SVX
files (which it can't, right?) then it can't read DMCS "IFF" files. Like
wise if DMCS can't read SMUS files (which I think it can) it won't load them 
either.

In addition, I don;t think Sonix instrument files (sampled sound) are IFF.

There are 2 Sonix instruments:  Those ending in .SS and those in .INSTR

I think the .SS (Sampled Sound) are not IFF, the .INSTR are.

The moral of the story? Just because it's IFF, doesn't mean the program
understands the particular IFF chunks (FORM in this case) used!

John
2213.6ARP for 1.3?WJG::GUINEAUFri Feb 10 1989 07:538
Anyone heard the latest on ARP for 1.3?  I hear mention on USENET that
MicroSmiths is shipping it with TxED (sp?).

There is a file on CGOU01::AMNEW:  named ARP13.ARC. Is this the 1.3 ARP stuff
from TxED?


John
2213.7Sonix disk mounted?LOWLIF::DAVISThat's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!Fri Feb 10 1989 10:386
When you try to load the instrument, is your Sonix disk in a drive?
Sonix uses overlays and if it can't get to the program disk that can
cause the "Can't load instrment from disk" even if it is a good .instr
file.

...richard
2213.8I might use the synthia disk for PD gamesGUCCI::HERBFri Feb 10 1989 17:449
    RE .7
    
    I would first load a .instr file from sonix and then try to load
    a snythia instrument.  It still does not work.
    
    What is Synthia supposed to be used for?
    
              Matt
    
2213.9try it by the bookANT::JANZENMr. MSI ECL TestSun Feb 12 1989 19:5822
    I love notesfiles for their half-guesses and spitballing.
    
    from the Synthia manual, page 6-29:
    "Sonix:
    "To save an instrument for Sonix you must save the instrument in
    a directory called "Instruments."  The name must also have a ".instr"
    suffix.  For instance, if you wish to save an instrument called
    "Bass Guitar" for Sonix, you would save "Bass Guitar.instr" in
    the "Instrument" directory on the disk you will be using for
    instruments.
    "When you load the instrument into the Sonix synthesizer, Sonix
    will tell you it is an IFF file and plot the sound for you.  If
    you save it again, Sonix will convert the Synthia instrument into
    a sampled sound format (.ss extension) and you will be able to use
    Sonix to modify the sound in real time as it is played by Sonix.
     In this way you have the best of both worlds!  Synthia generated
    instruments playing in the Sonix sampled sound format sound even
    better and more realistic.  **Refer to your Sonix manual for more
    information.**"
    
    but I have never done this...
    Tom
2213.10DANGER! - More half-guesses and spitballs comingLOWLIF::DAVISThat's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!Mon Feb 13 1989 10:159
re .8

But was your Sonix disk in a drive when you tried to load the instrument??
Loading an arbitrary .instr file would not necessarily be enough.  If you
have one drive, put the synthia instrument in RAM: and try loading it from
there with your sonix disk in df0:.  Also, for completeness, if that doesn't
work, zap the file (or type file opt h) and see what FORM the IFF file is.

...richard