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| 2020.1 | How much????? | HPSTEK::SENNA | | Mon Dec 19 1988 14:36 | 2 |
| I think you typed the price wrong!!!!!
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| 2020.2 | try $3300.. | BSS::DULL | Let the meek have the earth..we'll take the stars. | Mon Dec 19 1988 14:55 | 3 |
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Rats... yeah I did... its $3300... sorry.
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| 2020.3 | Memory... | ALAZIF::WHERRY | | Mon Dec 19 1988 15:17 | 13 |
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Are you sure it was 3 MB of 32 bit memory?? Or is it,
512KB Chip Memory
512KB Slow Memory (becomes chip memory with new graphics chips)
2MB 32 Bit wide Memory?
Twould be neat if they moved chip memory into the 32 bit wide memory,
but that seems like it would be a real pain in the rear, of course
I am no hardware engineer.
brad
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| 2020.4 | A2500 *IS* an upgraded A2000 | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Mon Dec 19 1988 15:36 | 77 |
| RE: .0
> fond keystrokes was an A2500.
Gee... did it have the A2500 label. I have heard they just
started shipping last week. The only way to distinguish between an
upgraded A2000 and an A2500 is the label (assuming the same hard disk
is used: a Quantum Pro40S).
> Per one of the Sales Reps, it is priced approx $1300, it includes
As you corrected... that was $3300
> the Autoboot Hard Drive Controller, 40 MB SCSI Hard Drive, 1
> Floppy, 3 MB 32bit Physical Memory, 1084S monitor, 68020, 68881,
> and 68000, mouse, keyboard, etc..
An A2500 is an A2000 plus A2090A SCSI/ST506 controller, Quantum
Pro40S disk, and A2620 68020 processor accelerator with 68881 FPP,
MMU, and 2MB of 32 bit dma-able on-board RAM.
> The original 68000 is still in the machine, and is software selected upon
I *is* an A2000 with add-in cards. BTW, when you select the 68000
option you lose access to the 2MB 32bit ram and have a A2000 system
with 1MB.
> The 68020 selection can be made the default via hard jumper
The selection of processor defaults to the 68020 AmigaDOS, but
can be jumpered to 68000 or 68020 Unix. Manual selection is performed
by pressing both mouse buttons at bootup. That is how you get the
processor selection menu.
> The A2000 - A2500 upgrade will be out sometime soon (January?) but... will
> only be available for a limited time (something like 10 months).
Huh? Perhaps this is referring to a special package deal.
Certainly the A2090A and A2620 boards are going to be available for
quite some time. For people with a A2090A all they will need is an
A2620.
> o Is the Enhanced Chip Set in there?
No, it is a ways out yet... nuf' said.
> o Clock Speeds (programmable?).
The clock speed can not be selected by program control and only
the 68881 is adjustable via soldering and component replacement.
> o 32 bit ZORRO resident memory operation implementations.
> o On-board 32 bit memory operation implementation.
> o Existing 16 bit memory compatibility/operations.
The 32bit memory and bus is only on the A2620 processor card.
Thanks to consideration by Dave Haynie and some extra logic the
memory is accessible by DMA peripherals. It is NOT special in the
sense of RONIN or CSA 32 bit memory and exists in the autoconfig
space. Thanks to trickery on the A2620 ROMs the 32bit memory is
always first on the fast memory list.
> o What the 68020 board looks like (etc..).
Fits in the co-processor slot in the A2000. It is fullsize and
has 2MB of ZIP packaged 256X4 chips out at the far end. There are
patterns for another 2MB (total 4MB). There are NO sockets for memory.
It is soldered to the board.
> o How the Floating Point is implemented.
68881 and 68882 are supported with optional independent clock
speed. FPP's have been tested up to 25Mhz. Upgrade is by chip
replacement, clock module and soldering iron.
-SES
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| 2020.5 | | BAGELS::BRANNON | Dave Brannon | Mon Dec 19 1988 16:34 | 5 |
| Only 40 Megs for a Unix system? Didn't Apple ship with 80 Megs
for their A/UX? Is 40 Megs reasonable for a Unix system?
enquiring minds want to know...
-Dave
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| 2020.6 | At a GUESS (but AT&T != Amiga) | ALAZIF::WHERRY | | Mon Dec 19 1988 17:44 | 11 |
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I used to maintain some AT&T Unix PCs (model number 7300) for my
university when I was a student. They came with 40 meg hardrives
and 20 meg hardrives. They were of course running UNIX SYS V
(bleck!) You needed a shoehorn to get it into a 20. The 40
wasn't as bad, a good analogy is installing VMS on an
RD52 (40 MB). There is about 15k-20k blocks free (7 - 10 mb) on
the disk for a VMS install and for unix sys5 on an AT&T 7300 about
10 -15 megabytes.
brad
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| 2020.7 | Unix version gets 80 meg disk | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Tue Dec 20 1988 13:20 | 8 |
| RE:.5
> Only 40 Megs for a Unix system?
The "Unix" version will come with an 80 meg Quantum Pro80S.
-SES
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| 2020.8 | 4Mb nor 3Mb | NLCFLS::ELLISM | | Wed Dec 21 1988 05:22 | 8 |
| The details I've seen about memory is :-
3Mb of 32bit RAM
1Mb of chip RAM
so 4Mb in all
Martin
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| 2020.9 | | CANIS::RIES | Frank W. Ries Jr. | Wed Dec 21 1988 15:47 | 15 |
| > The details I've seen about memory is :-
>
> 3Mb of 32bit RAM
> 1Mb of chip RAM
>
> so 4Mb in all
>
Question, is the 1mb on the mother board accesable from the 68020
board, and likewise, is the 2 (or 3) mb on the 68020 board accesable
from the 68000? I may be interested in this board, and was also
thinking of buying some more memory. If though, the memory on the
68020 board is accessable from the 68000, then I wouldnt need to
buy more memory.
Frank
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| 2020.10 | some guesses | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Wed Dec 21 1988 16:29 | 13 |
| I don't have an informed answer to your question, but I feel sure
that the CHIP ram must be accessible to the 68020, otherwise the
68020 couldn't deal with the display! That probably means that
all of 68000 memory is accessible to the 68020, but that is less
certain.
I suspect that 68020 memory is not accessible to the 68000, since
it is 32 bits wide. However, since you can DMA into it, they may
have "gone the extra mile" and made it accessible to the 68000 also.
I have held off on adding more memory to my A2000, in the expectation
that the A2620 would give me as much as I could effectively use.
John Sauter
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| 2020.11 | Ask! | LEVERS::PLOUFF | Cider Season Has Begun | Wed Dec 21 1988 16:34 | 6 |
| Dave Haynie, the design engineer for this product, is scheduled
to speak at South Metro Amiga Users Group (SMAUG) in January, meeting
to be held in Norwood MA or nearby. You might want to ask him.
From the comments Haynie has made on Usenet, I wouldn't be at all
surprised if he has "gone the extra mile."
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| 2020.12 | No, Yes on A2620 | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Thu Dec 22 1988 13:40 | 19 |
| RE: .8
>> 3Mb of 32bit RAM
>> 1Mb of chip RAM
>> so 4Mb in all
Check again. The A2620 board can be configured for 2 or 4 meg of
32 bit ram. Not 3 meg.
RE:.9
> Question, is the 1mb on the mother board accesable from the 68020
> board, and likewise, is the 2 (or 3) mb on the 68020 board accesable
> from the 68000?
No. If the 68020 is not used the memory on the processor board is
not accessable. Sigh! Maybe a A2620A is in the future?
-SES
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| 2020.13 | | CANIS::RIES | Frank W. Ries Jr. | Thu Dec 22 1988 19:22 | 17 |
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>> Question, is the 1mb on the mother board accesable from the 68020
>> board, and likewise, is the 2 (or 3) mb on the 68020 board accesable
>> from the 68000?
> No. If the 68020 is not used the memory on the processor board is
>not accessable. Sigh! Maybe a A2620A is in the future?
>
> -SES
re: 12
Are you sure about this? I talked to the folks at the memory location this
morning, and also picked up a brochure on the 2500. They were pretty sure
(and the brochure implies) that the memory on the A2620 is accessable by
the 68000. I'm still confused :-(.
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| 2020.14 | | LEDS::ACCIARDI | Time to change this damn message | Fri Dec 23 1988 00:32 | 37 |
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There was a shiny new A2500 at the Software Shop today. It even
had an official 'Amiga 2500' label on the front.
I inquired about the A2620 board; Moe felt that it would be available
in February or so. He thinks he'll be selling it for around $1600.
That's really not too bad when you consider the price of RAM these
days. Plus, the last time I looked, a 68020/68881 chipset was running
around $400 or so.
Re: accessing 32 bit memory from the 68000...
It was my understanding that all program code tries to load into
the uppermost memory region that's available, even if it's up in
32 bit land. (The exception is AmigaBASIC, a brain-dead Mac port
written with 24 bit addressing). Of coourse, all code that the
custom chips need will still be sent to CHIP land.
What's funny is that I loaded and ran AmigaBASIC on Moe's A2500.
Not only did it run just fine, but it was actually fast. This was
puzzling, since Amazing Computing had an article on accelerator
boards a while back, and they commented about the AmigaBASIC problem
with 32 bit memory. Maybe Moe's copy had been patched (yes, there is
a patch) and he just didn't realize it.
My overall impression is that the A2500 is a real killer system. The
closest competitor is still the Mac II at nearly twice the price. Dave
Haynie hinted a while back that the A2500 would suck it's headlights
out in a drag race, too. (Get out your benchmarks, boys) Now all CBM
needs is a 24 bit video board and the score will be even until the next
escalation.
Ah, tax refund time is on the horizon...
Ed.
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| 2020.15 | Just the facts... | NSSG::SULLIVAN | Steven E. Sullivan | Fri Dec 23 1988 16:58 | 9 |
| RE: .13
>> No. If the 68020 is not used the memory on the processor board is
>>not accessable. Sigh! Maybe a A2620A is in the future?
>
>Are you sure about this?
Yes.
-SES
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| 2020.16 | 1600 seems kinda steep | TAPE::WHERRY | | Fri Dec 23 1988 18:01 | 9 |
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if list price is 3300.00 for a 2000, 2090A, 40mb drive, and 68020,
then 1600.00 seems kinda steep, or do you get controller, and drive
besides the 68020 board??? Seems like at 3300.00 the 68020 board
should be about a grand. (This assumes an amiga 2000 is listing
at 1800 or so)
brad
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| 2020.17 | Flame on software shop... | HPSTEK::SENNA | | Fri Dec 23 1988 22:57 | 21 |
| <FLAME ON...>
re: .14
Well Ed, You must be good friends with Moe! I've been in that place
three times and bought some software twice. Each time I've gone
in I got the same kind of treatment as everyone else who talked
to him! I would never ever send anyone new to the Amiga there! He
must make too much money, cause his attitude stinks towards customers.
He's not rude but he sure acts like he would rather not deal with
customers. My first two trips in there, I just thought he was just
an employee. This time I heard someone use his name. He even told
me I needed to by a genlock to use with DigiView...my first time
in! When I asked a few questions, he was confused and mumbled and
walked away. Why have I waited so long and why did I go back? Like
I said, I thought he was just a drone not the owner. His prices
are great but I don't feel like I just did something nice...I felt
like I just got out of the Dentists office! Just MY experience but
I'd rather not again!!! Sorry!
<FLAME OFF>
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| 2020.18 | I could make a fortune with Moe's store... | LEDS::ACCIARDI | Time to change this damn message | Sat Dec 24 1988 00:15 | 14 |
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Well, it's not like I've ever said that Moe was charming, ya know...
I think Moe and I understand each other. If he raises his voice
to me, I go right into his face and scream right back at him.
If you want good service, you might want to use another dealer.
The best way to do business with Moe is to go in, know exactly what
you want, pay for it and leave. I agree that it's a lousy way to
run a business, but you have the option of not shopping there.
Ed.
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| 2020.19 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Mon Dec 26 1988 09:50 | 10 |
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You gotta remember that The Software Shop is MAIL ORDER. Moe is nice (?)
enough to let local customers come in, browse and buy (cheap!).
Moe and I get along just fine, now. Ed's right, when you go in, Know
what your after and just ask Moe general things like "do you have...",
and "where/how much is it?"
John
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| 2020.20 | Moe seemed OK to me | ZEBOP::RMEYERS | Randy Meyers | Thu Dec 29 1988 17:55 | 19 |
| Re: .17, .18. ,19
When I was shopping for a monitor compatible with my FlickerFixer, I
visited the Software Shop. Moe was kind enough to connect two or three
different models of monitors to the Amiga he has in the store. He even
disconnected the monitor he had attached to the AT clone in his office,
hauled it over to the Amiga in the sales room, and hooked it up.
I had never been in his store before. I thought he paid me the proper
attention. But, I was making a $700-$800 purchase, and it was a quiet
day at the store...
I didn't ask him any technical questions--I usually don't trust store
personnel anyway. It's like the joke:
What's the difference between a computer salesman and
a used car dealer?
The used car dealer knows when he is lying.
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