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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:	AMIGA NOTES
Notice:	Join us in the NEW conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:	HYDRA::MOORE

Created:	Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5378
Total number of notes:	38326

1999.0. "68030 & 80386SX??" by BAGELS::BRANNON (Dave Brannon) Wed Dec 14 1988 22:28

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Path: decwrl!labrea!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!oberon!pollux.usc.edu!papa
Subject: JerryP's Santa Goes Shopping
Posted: 13 Dec 88 18:35:01 GMT
Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA
 
Here's the latest one from InfoWorld:
 
"Flight simulator programs on the Mac and the PC are all very well,
but they're not a patch on the wonderful flying programs available 
on the Amiga. Meanwhile, if you have an Amiga 2000 you can run all
your boring old business PC programs as well.
 
In fact, next year's version of the Amiga, with a 386SX on the DOS 
side and a 68030 chip on the Amiga side, as well as new software 
that lets the DOS machine take advantage of the Amiga's graphics,
just might be a serious challenge to the Sun workstation for
about half the cost.  But this is a Christmas column, so we won't
go into that. [It looks like Dr. Rubin talks TOO much :-)]
 
One thing you can do if you have an Amiga computer, is get hold of 
Microillusion's Firepower game.  You get to drive a very realistic
tank and go around blowing up everything in sight. The single player
version is fine, but since the Amiga is a *multitasking* machine, 
there's a two player version as well. [...] There's great sound, too. 
Get your significant other to play it with you; you haven't lived
until you've blasted her off the map"
 
Well, I guess Andy's, JDow's and other's efforts are finally paying off.
 
-- Marco Papa 'Doc'
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1999.1		LEDS::ACCIARDI	Time to change this damn message	`Wed Dec 14 1988 23:19`	7
	How's this for schizophrenic fun? Run a null cable from an AT serial port over to the Amiga side, run Jet! on both systems, and you could shoot yourself down! Ed.
1999.2	Have you read this stuff?	SMAUG::SPODARYK	Twenty, 20, 20-4 hours to go...	`Thu Dec 15 1988 23:58`	31
	re .0 Hmnnn... The article about the Sun DOS/Unix machine in this months BYTE made quite a big deal about being able to multitask DOS and Unix applications at the same time. Will the A2500UX accept the new (286 or 386) bridgeboards? That would seem to be one step better than a single processor system trying to do both. According to BYTE the DOS windows are very sluggish. The basic system goes for about $10k, but with color graphics, extra storage, it would be closer to $16k. Imagine the Amiga system you could put together with that kind of money... There is a whole 'mini' magazine dedicated to the Mac inside. I only had time to glance at that. The Mac IIx looks like a very capable machine, but why is the 68030/68882 combo only ~15% quicker than the standard Mac II? Do the '30 Amiga boards give a similiar performance increase over the '20s? I also saw a glossy ad for Microsoft Windows286/386. I thought that ad was interesting because they mentioned how "intuitive" it was to use. (Where have I heard that before?) They also asked the reader to imagine 1) running a spreadsheet, and while executing a macro 2) start up a word processor, use that and then 3) run a paint program and pull an images into the WP. Imagine that! I guess when you get used to compiling programs, playing a game, and downloading (or reading NOTES :) all at the same time, (not to mention the half dozen 'smaller' utilities running) you take multitasking for granted. Steve (Spoiled_rotten, but would still like a 68020 :^)
1999.3	NeXT has a '030, so Apple ...	TLE::RMEYERS	Randy Meyers	`Fri Dec 16 1988 13:14`	31
	Re: .2 >Will the A2500UX accept the new (286 or 386) bridgeboards? Yes. The 2500UX is nothing more than a standard 2000 with a couple of expansion cards already installed. You could turn any 2000 into a 2500UX by buying and plugging in cards (and installing the proper software). Likewise, you can upgrade a 2500UX by plugging in any other standard Amiga 2000 card (including present and future bridgecards). The bridgecard runs simultaneously Amiga DOS. It isn't clear that it runs simultaneously with Amiga Unix. If it doesn't, the problem would be software, not hardware, and so that deficiency could be removed. So, worst cause you might have to reboot into Amiga DOS to use the bridgecard. >The Mac IIx looks like a very capable machine, but why is the >68030/68882 combo only ~15% quicker than the standard Mac II? Do >the '30 Amiga boards give a similiar performance increase over the '20s? The Mac IIx is a flawed product: its only reason for existence was to reassure Mac owners that Apple would produce a '030 machine. The timing of the Mac IIx was dictated by NeXT, Inc. (Apple is very afraid of NeXT clobbering them.) Since the Mac IIx was a rush job, the '030 was not properly designed into the system. Look for a better designed '030 product from Apple next year (about the time NeXT actually ships a product :->). I don't know if the current crop of '030 boards for the Amiga suffer with the same problem.
1999.4		MTWAIN::MACDONALD	WA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25	`Fri Dec 16 1988 15:15`	1
	How much for a 68020 card?
1999.5	Here's some figures	SMAUG::SPODARYK	Twenty, 20, 20-4 hours to go...	`Fri Dec 16 1988 21:10`	26
	I just received a catalog from Briwall, who is selling such a board. They actually advertise these.. Ronin H1000 Accelerator Board... $ 345 Ronin Hurricane H2000 519 I assume these are without the 68xxx chip(s), because those are also listed. Ronin 68020-12 Microprocessor 189 ! probably found cheaper Ronin 68881-16 Math Co-processor 189 ! in Computer Shopper " " 20 " " 285 " " 25 " " 579 and... Ronin 68030 adapter board 279 Ronin 68030 microprocessor 549 No descriptions, so maybe the H2000 does contain the 68020. Has anyone looked into these, or maybe even bought one? To realize a substancial performance increase 32bit RAM is necessary. No prices on that. Steve (saving his pennies for a hard drive)