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| 1938.1 | Amiga Small C not complete | NAC::PLOUFF | Cider Season Has Begun | Fri Dec 02 1988 09:44 | 9 |
| You didn't do anything wrong. The compiler is missing a vital piece.
I went through the same process after seeing Small C on a Fish disk.
Willi Kusche apparently did not port the standard library, which
is not part of the compiler but absolutely essential to make it
work. So, you will be _very_limited in what you can do with this
software.
Wes
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| 1938.2 | Oh well.. | AYOV28::ATHOMSON | C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie | Fri Dec 02 1988 10:50 | 6 |
| Aww :-(
I suppose that I'd have to buy Lattice or Manx to get the standard
library - then I wouldn't need Smallc --- sigh!!
Alan T.
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| 1938.3 | | NAC::PLOUFF | Cider Season Has Begun | Fri Dec 02 1988 11:19 | 11 |
| Actually, you might try to hack it from somebody else's library.
Byte Small C and the JPL Portable C Library (JPL-C?) are places
to start. Both of these are somewhere in the MS-DOS archives which
I think are on MSBIS::. Very little of the standard library needs
to know about hardware, and I think that the little AmigaC library
provides all the "hardware-dependent" stuff you need.
"Smallib" contains hooks to all the Amiga operating system functions
covered in the ROM Kernel Manuals. So you really might eventually
have quite a nice freebie system if you can get the rest of the
standard library somewhere.
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| 1938.4 | DRACO | ADODEM::MCGHIE | looking for a door... | Sun Dec 04 1988 04:43 | 6 |
| Have you thought of trying to use DRACO the other public domain
compiler ?
It does seem to work (most of the time).
Mike
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| 1938.5 | Assuming you're not adamant about SMC... | DIXIE1::MCDONALD | Surly to bed, surly to rise... | Mon Dec 05 1988 21:52 | 10 |
| Yup. I'll second that. DRACO seems to be pretty good for just
fooling around. However, if you're planning to write any real tools
or utilities, you'd better get a commercial compiler. Chris Gray
(I think that's who did DRACO) hasn't ported his linker over yet,
and as a result of the way DRACO currently works, you end up with HUGE
executables.
Still, it's an EXCELLENT language for the price.
John
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| 1938.6 | Tried it. | AYOV28::ATHOMSON | C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie | Tue Dec 06 1988 05:10 | 28 |
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�< Note 1938.5 by DIXIE1::MCDONALD "Surly to bed, surly to rise..." >
� -< Assuming you're not adamant about SMC... >-
�
� Still, it's an EXCELLENT language for the price.
�
I have DRACO and I agree with your comments wholeheartedly, the
size of the executables was a major factor in looking at SMC. The
other main reason was that I'd like to buy a 'proper' C compiler
sometime in the future and would like to stick to C rather than
expend time and effort becoming more familiar with DRACO.
I had a look at PDC (Fish #110) which works quite well at the level
I'm programming at but it requires AMIGA.LIB to link with ( The
.s (ASM) output has cross references to _main and _printf etc.)
it won't link with SMALL.LIB (guess who doesn't have AMIGA.LIB ?)
I have managed to compile small programs with SMC now. It can be
done by closely examining the compiler source code and "including"
the required functions down and down until you reach the primitives
that SMALL.LIB and SMCLIB.O do know about. It is very slow though,
each character is output singly, rather like running at 300 baud,
so perhaps it's not worth the effort after all.
Thanks for all the advice anyway,
Alan T.
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| 1938.7 | Upgraded -> sell last version? | WJG::GUINEAU | | Tue Dec 06 1988 07:40 | 7 |
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I don't know the legal ramifications, but now that I have Lattice 5.0
I was concidering selling my Complete Lattice 4.01 system real cheap.
Is this legal?
John
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| 1938.8 | I hope so... | AYOV28::ATHOMSON | C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie | Tue Dec 06 1988 11:30 | 12 |
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�< Note 1938.7 by WJG::GUINEAU >
� -< Upgraded -> sell last version? >-
�I don't know the legal ramifications, but now that I have Lattice 5.0
�I was concidering selling my Complete Lattice 4.01 system real cheap.
�Is this legal?
�John
I don't know, John. But if you ever find out or decide that it is....
Please keep me in mind.
Alan T.
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| 1938.9 | read the license agreement | JFRSON::OSBORNE | Blade Walker | Tue Dec 06 1988 13:28 | 13 |
| -< I hope so... >-
� -< Upgraded -> sell last version? >-
�Is this legal?
Um, I don't think so- what you LEGALLY buy is a one-CPU license for a
specific named product, not the actual software, I believe. This prevents
problems between someone who has 20 copies in fire storage for security
being equivalent to someone with 20 copies distributed to their friends.
Read the license agreement- it has to be included with the disks, or it's
not binding.
disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. I can't fix a
parking ticket, even...
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| 1938.10 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Tue Dec 06 1988 16:32 | 16 |
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Right. But if I put the Manual, Original and my backup copies of the disks
together, then it's "as sold". I don't think I have the original
"license agreement" envelope that the floppies were in.
I think the license says the disks may be used by many people on many different
systems - as long as it's only used by one person at a time (i.e you
and your friend can't each use a copy.) But if I give the entire 4.01
system to a single individual and NOT retain a copy for myself, then
it's still only used by one person (albiet not the original purchaser).
Lawers??
John
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| 1938.11 | Another 2 cents worth | VCSESU::MOORE | Tom Moore MRO1-3/SL1 297-5224 | Tue Dec 06 1988 17:28 | 10 |
| John,
I think the key to this question is did you upgrade your licence or buy a new
licence. If you bought a new licence then it has nothing to do with the old
licence and you can sell the old one. If you upgraded your licence, then you
still only have one licence and if you sell it then you should stop using the
software no matter what you gave the buyer.
The usual disclainers apply and I'm sure that whatever you do there are
those that will praise you and damn you.
-Tom-
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| 1938.12 | But what do I know??? | HPSTEK::SENNA | | Tue Dec 06 1988 17:29 | 7 |
| Acually I read somewhere that you can sell software to someone
but you have to notify the company that has you on their upgrade
list, in writing that you have transfered ownership to them. Thus
ending your contract with them totally! In other words you have
to give up ALL your copies of previous and recent upgrades!!!
It makes good sense to me....I'll try to remember where I saw this
and post it!
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| 1938.13 | Legal for SuperBase | LEDS::HAGER | I Remember Bird and Clifford | Tue Dec 06 1988 18:43 | 6 |
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I bought SuperBase Professional recently from an individual. I
called the U.S. distributor and not only did they accept the
transfer of ownership, they graciously offered me the latest
update, free of charge! Of course, the book clearly stated that
this was legal. As they say, check the warranty.
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| 1938.14 | Try to be nice and the Law comes after you :-) | WJG::GUINEAU | | Wed Dec 07 1988 08:21 | 10 |
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Well, I ordered V5.0 as an "upgrade" (i.e. I already owned v4.0 so it was
at a much lower cost).
V5.0 did come as a complete kit and with it's own license.
So now I'm confused. I will post this on the LAttice BBS and reply here...
John
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| 1938.15 | Verdict ? | AYOV28::ATHOMSON | C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie | Fri Dec 09 1988 07:52 | 4 |
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Any verdict from the Lattice BBS yet John ?
Alan T.
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| 1938.16 | | WJG::GUINEAU | | Fri Dec 09 1988 08:07 | 6 |
| To be honest, I haven't had a chance to enter it yet (school after work)
I'm going to check tonight...
John
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| 1938.17 | ... | WJG::GUINEAU | | Mon Dec 12 1988 09:26 | 7 |
| ...Working...
I put a note in the Lattice BBS Friday night. I expect some kind of answer
tonight...
John
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| 1938.18 | I don't quite see why though | WJG::GUINEAU | | Mon Dec 12 1988 22:12 | 12 |
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Just got off Lattice's BBS. The SYSOP said:
"NO!!! You CANNOT sell your Lattice version 4 compiler"
Bummer!
Oh well, it was worth a try.
John
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| 1938.19 | You already "sold" it (back to Lattice). | BOMBE::MOORE | So many holes to plug | Tue Dec 13 1988 17:02 | 11 |
| Think of it this way:
Lattice gave you a "trade-in credit" for your old compiler against the
cost of purchasing the newer version. They *could* have required the
return of your old disks before sending you the new ones. Some places
operate that way, usually with a lot of grumbling from their customers.
In theory you transferred your old license back to Lattice in exchange
for a new one. Lattice is nice enough to trust you for proper disposal
of superseded materials. Don't betray that trust.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV... 8)
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| 1938.20 | OK | WJG::GUINEAU | | Tue Dec 13 1988 17:31 | 3 |
| I'll but that! Thanks.
John
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| 1938.21 | :-( | AYOV28::ATHOMSON | C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie | Mon Dec 19 1988 08:04 | 4 |
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That's too bad, but it does make sense.
Alan T.
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