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    For those of you in the US, you can copy it from:
    
    	ROMULN""::DUB3:[PUBLIC.AMIGA]DEMO.ZOO
    
    _Mike_  ;-)

Fantastic demo!!!  How did they ever pack so much into puny memory requirements
(I think WB showed 300K free and it ran like a charm!)


JOhn

    
    I downloaded this last night (took 44  mins via Zmodem/ProtoComm).
    This is a INCREDIBLE demo !!  Five stars out of five (*****).  I
    do have one question.  The demo was written in France and uses the
    PAL TV standard, and we miss some of the graphics on the bottom
    of the screen.  Is there anyway to see this correctly (i.e. display
    PAL graphics on a US screen)???  Right now I change the Vertical
    size on my Sony KV1311 to see the text on RV demo, but the text
    is split half on the top/bottom.
    
    I am impressed with the quality of the stuff coming from overseas
    (ie. DOC and WILD Copper Demo).  What else are we missing from over
    the pond???  Please, more fantatic demo/games/stuff.
    
    _Mike_
    
    still_being_amazed_at_what_the_Amiga_can_do
    

    I get intermittent screens of garbage when I try to run parts of
    this demo.  Do I have to run NoFastMem first?

    
�        I get intermittent screens of garbage when I try to run parts of
�    this demo.  Do I have to run NoFastMem first?
    
    Me too. The first screen (the blue metallic balls) never seems to
    work clearly. There seems to be noise in the middle of the screen
    and the image is unstable.
    
    I'm running on a 500 with 1 meg.  Any ideas??
    
    thanx
    
    -bw

I had the same problem with "RVb Demo" (sp?)

Try clicking the RESET icon then the RVb Demo. Worked for me...


John

    RE: .3
    
    What are you using on the HOST side for ZMODEM?

    
    RE: .4
    
    The following programs support the Zmodem protocol::::
    
    Protocomm3z - not a fancy terminal emulator, but it's the only one
    			I have that does Zmodem reliably
    
    SZ - from RZSZ.arc to download from the VAX.
    RZ - from RZSZ.arc seems to be broken (at least I can't get it to
    		work from my VAX thru a Scholar 2400 modem).
    
    _Mike_

    
    This demo really is WILD !!  Have you tried experimenting with the
    demo you get when you boot with the disk ?   You did know you can
    boot with this disk right?  (Just use the INSTALL command on the
    disk.)  The demos are full of surprises !!
    
    _Mike_
    
    Have a wild time !!!
    
    Warning Spoiler follows...
    
    
    Experiment with the mouse buttons and icons...
    
    Warning more explict spoiler follows (it's more fun to try the advice
    above) !!
    
    
    Last warning !!!!
    
    

    boot off of the WILD demo disk,
    clicking the left mouse button,
    click on the disk icon,
    try all the icons in the WILD demo (especially the RESET icon!!)
    <aaah, so that's what that icon's for?>
    
    have a WILD time!

    
    Wow, I'm really impressed with this French offering.  A few comments
    come to mind... 
    
    1.  The effects achieved just aren't possible.
    
    2.  The English and Europeans are way ahead of us in the USA.
    
    3.  I think I'll re-visit some Marylin Chambers flicks.  (You'll
        understand when you watch the fun)
    
    4.  Again, this stuff runs MUCH FASTER on a 16 MHz Amiga.  I dropped
        by the Software Shop and ran them on a stock A500.  Still great,
        but the added speed is much more impressive.
    
    5.  Someone may have mentioned this, but CBM should package these
        latest demos, rent some huge hall somewhere, buy lots of wine
        and cheese, invite the press and announce a revolutionary new 
        sub-$1000 multitasking graphics and sound engine called the 
        Amiga 500.  Announce that it will be available sometime NeXT year,
        and only to Universities, so you can't have one anyway.  If
        THAT doesn't get them onto the cover of Time or NewsWeek,
        then I give up.
                                              
    Seriously, these demos are a LOT of fun.  I just can't get enough!
    
    Ed.
    

    
    I was trying to download this last night.  Sometimes I have difficulty
    using XMODEM on large files.  Simply because I can't seem to go
    that long without interfereence on the phone lines.  XMODEM doesn't
    seem to recover very well from this.  If I use KERMIT the transfer
    usually completes but takes twice as long.
    
    What I'm wondering is this -- Is there a program available to break up
    binary files on VMS and then put them back together on the AMIGA?
    Has anyone ever done this with an editor?  I thought maybe I'd try
    splitting DEMO.ZOO with EMACS and then just use AmigaDOS JOIN to
    put the pieces back together.  Any suggestions?  Is there a VMS ZOO?
    
    - steve

�< Note 1796.11 by ANT::SMCAFEE "Steve McAfee" >
�    put the pieces back together.  Any suggestions?  Is there a VMS ZOO?
 
    What a coincidence I was just wanting to ask the same question,
    is there a VMS ZOO ? 
    I am currently forced to download via an IBM PC using 360k floppies
    and the 1100 block demo file won't fit !! So I was wanting to split
    it up under VMS and create 2 or 3 arc files (depending on the contents
    of the ZOO archive) so I need to unZOO the demo.zoo on the vax -
    can it be done ???
    
    				Alan T.

    
    I have a VMS unZOO version.  That'll let you unpack everything.
    unfortunately you lose the data compression of zoo then.  You could
    probably hack something up that works like shar and uuencode decode
    but initially that would be asking for trouble.  I haven't seen
    a full VMS version of ZOO.  I haven't even seen the AMIGA version
    of ZOO.  Though I would like to find that.
    
    brad
    
    ps. if you want the unZOO it can be found at:
    
         TAPE::USER1:[WHERRY.AMIGA.EXE]vooz.exe
    
    NB. you need to make it a foreign command.

    Hi,
    I am very pleased to see you all sooooo happy with this demo.
    I am a member of a Commodore group here (Amiga section of course)
    in Switzerland and will try to get more stuff like this disk.
    
    Sorry to make this .zoo file so long, but I thought it was the easiest
    for me.Upload is not a problem for me (19200 bds). I will rethink
    it for the next.
    
    Phil

    
    I've unZOOed the demo and contructed three arc files ready to download
    but I had to rename some of the files to suit arc. Can someone who
    has a fully working disk of this demo please post a directory of
    the disk so I can be sure of the exact filenames ?
    
    		Thanks in advance,
    					Alan T.

    If you boot with the demo, it will multi-task with itself.  While
    the text is crawling across the bottom of the screen, you can run
    the other demos.
    
    Watching this, I couldn't help but wonder what kind of viruses were
    being planted in my system.
    
    Interesting demo...can't wait to see more.
    
    Randy
    

    
    This is one tough demo to kick out of the system.  While running
    the RvB version, I gave the old three-finger neck pinch and the
    machine kept right on running.
    
    A few more neck pinches later it finally reset.
    
    I make sure to turn my machine off completely after running these
    things.
    
    Ed.

    
    
    Yes, this DEMO is VERY tough to kill.  I have been running VIRUSX
    since the beginning of my installation.  It hasn't complained though
    I did have to turn the machine off to clear out the 'RESET' demo.
    
    brad
    

    "Text scrolling across bottom of screen?"
    
    I didn't se any text scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
    the only text I've seen is that which rotates around the cougar
    at the center of the demo. Did I miss something?
    

    I run the "Big In Japan" song in my startup-sequence. Starts playing
    as soon as the Workbench appears. A click of the mouse anywhere
    stops its. I've encountered no problems with it running.

    
    When I try to run WARMSTART I get an error 121, 
    
    does any one else have this problem?
    
    The other demos work fine,
    
    	I have a 1000 w/512K
    
    Dean

    To get all the demos, make an S and C directory.  Put the
    startup-sequence in the S directory and the files called for in
    the startup-sequence (run, type, etc.) in the C directory.  Install
    the disk.  Boot with the disk.  You should now get a startup message
    in a cli window.  Click on the mouse and it will start the crawling
    text message while workbench loads.  The rest will be obvious.
    
    Randy
    

FWIW:  I have VMS Zoo at MDKCSW::DUA2:[DAVIS.AMIGA.TOOLS].  It works great
for me!

...richard

    A lot of excellent demos and games have come from Europe and Canada.  
    I read somewhere - maybe in this notesfile - that C64's and Amigas 
    are big in those areas, equivalent to Apples and Macs in the US, so 
    you would expect to see software created there.  But I don't recall 
    seeing anything from Japan.  What do the Japanese use at home?

    - Cliff

       re: .11 and .12
       
       I use the VAXmate middleman file transfer technique.  VAX to
       VAXmate to AMIGA 5 1/4" drive - works great!  However, anything
       greater than 700 odd VAX blocks won't fit on a 360k PC floppy! 
       
       When confronted with DEMO.ZOO, I looked at VOOZ, but not being
       comfortable with all the possible file format options
       (a,l,u,c,s,v) for extracting the files, I backed off and used the
       following method.  {If anyone would care to comment on what option
       I should use to de'VOOZ them for arc'ing later, I would appreciate
       it, as I prefer the arc'ing method.}
       
       I converted it to UU format with the VAX version of UUencode.  I
       then split the resulting ASCII file into PC floppy "consumable
       chunks", then transfered them to the VAXmate via KERMIT.  Once on
       the AMIGA I joined the individual files using the Join command,
       and ran the joined file through the AMIGA version of UUdecode -
       making it ready to be de'zooed.
                    
       Art
       
       P.S. the DEMO is great!  Phil thanks for posting it.

    When confronted with the huge DEMO.ZOO, I created two copies, let's
    say 1 and 2.  I then used 'zoo -delete' to get rid of about half
    of the files in Copy 1, then (very carefully) deleted the files
    still in Copy 1 from Copy 2.  That way I had two <360K files with
    original filenames and directory structures intact.
    
    BTW, ZOO201.EXE for the VAXmate (or any MS-DOS machine) can be found
    in CSCMAS""::SYS$MSDOS:[ARC-LBR].  Bernie Eiben, the proprietor,
    requests that downloads be made outside 8 AM - 5 PM Eastern time.
    
    Wes

Is anyone other than me having problems with the initial Wild Copper demo
that comes up when you boot from the floppy? It runs, but the display is
all messed up. All the other parts of the demo work fine. Any ideas whats
going on?

Frank

    Yep, I've got the same problem.  And in the RV demo half of the text 
    that scrolls across the bottom appears at the top of the screen.

    - Z

Re .27 & .28

Me too. BTW, I'm not sure if I missed it in earlier notes but, what's the 
purpose of the demo. Is it just an exercise in computing virtuosity or is there 
a game or something coming soon? Nice stereo sounds.

Dave

    
    Dave, most of the demos you'll see here are simply mind candy. 
    There seems to be a lot of 'pushing out the envelope' on the Amiga.
    
    If you follow the history of the Amiga, the original 'demo' was
    the famous bouncing ball that accompanied the Amiga's introduction
    in the summer of 1985.  When a select group of early developers
    got a sneak preview of the hardware, they saw a display of graphics
    and sound that had never before been achieved on a microcomputer.
    Many burst into tears when they first saw the Amiga.  (This is really
    true, as recounted by Aegis' Bill Volk in Amazing Computing magazine)
    
    As time went on, each new 'demo' outdid the one before it.  This
    condition has been encouraged by the annual 'Badge Killer Demo
    Contest'.  BADGE is a California Amiga user's group that lists many
    of the original Amiga design team as it's members.
    
    So, demos are an old tradition in Amiga land.  Just enjoy them.
    Show them to prospective suckers who may be shopping for a computer
    and can't make up their mind between a Mac or a PC.  
                                                      
    There's actually another extremely popular type of demo, the so-called
    'crippled demo' which software developers post to networks and BBSs.
    It's usually a fairly functional copy of a new program with several
    vital features such as 'print' and 'save' disabled.  It's a great
    way to sample software at home, without pressure, to see if you
    really want to shell out money for the real thing.  We've had a
    few of these on the e-net here, like Interceptor (right, who wouldn't
    want Interceptor?) and AudioMaster.
    
    Ed.

    re: .28,.29
    
    Hello,
    
    I think your problem is the following: these demos has been written
    on a B2000 AMIGA at the PAL television standard.
    
    As you probably has NTSC, you miss some lines, and the synchro of
    some demos get lost or so....
    
    Phil

    Yes.

    
    That reminds me... I saw a file on PLINK that software toggled between
    PAL and NTSC.  If there's enough interest, I can try to re-find
    it and upload it.
    
    I wonder how effective they'd be on these newest demos that really
    seem to clobber the hardware?
    
    Ed.

Re: .30

>BADGE is a California Amiga user's group that lists many
>    of the original Amiga design team as it's members.

BADGE is actually the Bay Area Developer's Group.  Not to be confused
with FAUG, the First Amiga User's Group, located in the same general
area.

Jay Miner is a member of FAUG.

    RE: .33  PAL to NTSC converter?
        
    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes please upload it.  I would love
    to see the DOC demo and Wild Copper run correctly, not to mention
    Crystal Hammer, etc....
    
    _mike
    

    re: .33  I'm also interested
    
    -dave

Re:assorted
	1. Am I missing something in the DOC demo? Seems to run fine even
           though I don't have a PAL Amiga.
        2. I was under the impression that ZOO was going to restore to my
           disk, the files and directories they should be in. Did I do
           something wrong or did all the files come in one directory
           with the Wild Copper demo. No problem to move things around but
           I would have had this all running sooner if there had been a
           README to show how things should have gone.
        3. Are there really problems with the RVb demo? Again, looks good
           to me.
        4. I give up, what does the reset demo do?
	5. I also have the boot up part of the demo going unstable and yes,
           if there is a PAL to NTSC conversion available, please upload it.

		Thanks for the demos,
			Dick

    re:-1
    
    2. use the command zoo x// demo.zoo or something like this .
        The // means: keep directory trees....
    
    Phil

    
    I've uploaded a file called 'SETPALORNTSC.ZOO' to my directory at
    
    LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA]	
    
    This file includes includes icons that toggle the Amiga's display
    from NTSC to PAL and back again.  Also included (I'm not sure why)
    is a graphics demo showing high speed area fills using Amy's blitter
    chip.  
    
    I only played with this for a few minutes, and it DOES work with
    the included blitter demo.  However, as I suspected, demos like
    Wild Copper completely reset the machine, undoing any current system
    modifications.
    
    Ed.

    RE: .37
    
    Yes, you probably are missing the startup demo. Sounds like you
    are only viewing the demos accessible through Workbench icons. What
    you need to do is INSTALL the disk you have the demos on. Then MAKEDIR
    C and MAKEDIRE S. Copy the startup-sequence on the demo disk to
    the newly created S directory. List out the startup-sequence and
    copy all the C commands that are listed into the newly created C
    directory. There are only 3 or 4 that need to be copied. Now reboot
    your Amiga using the demo disk in DF0:
    
    Now you'll see what you are missing!

     RE: .*
     
     I've got demo fever but can only download using kermit through
     tymnet.  Even at 2400 baud it is a slow process.  I figure
     wild copper would take two or three weeks, give or take a week.
     :^}
     And then it seems I'd take another few days installing, moving
     files around, trying to figure out what it looks like on a PAL
     Amiga (friend friend?)...
                                          
     Can anyone get me wild-coppered via sneaker net, inter-office mail
     or some other diskreet arrangement?  I will gladly trade a new Sony
     disk for it. 
     
     I work in ZK3-4 (Nashua, N.H) & live in Lexington, Ma.
                 
     Thanks,
     Dave Robinson
     STAR::ROBINSON
     MS:ZK3-4/U08
     CUBE:ZK3-4/U23
                  

    Sure .. I live in Nashua. Meet me Monday morning.

    I downloaded Wild Copper at 1200 bps using Kermit.  It only took
    a few hours.
        John Sauter

    RE: SetPAL and SetNTSC:
    
    I tried both of these with their included demo; I don't think they'll
    make programs written on PAL machines fit on the screen on NTSC machines;
    they appear to be written to do just the opposite, that is, take
    a program written for an NTSC machine and make it fill a PAL screen
    (it would normally underscan, correct?)  Since this software seems
    to have come from Europe, this makes some sense.
    
    Fortunately, the source code is included!

    Would someone please explain the references to PAL and NTSC viz
    a viz the Amiga?  I've got a 1000 with 1081 monitor.  Which does
    that make me?  (Australia's TV uses PAL - is my 1081 modified for
    local conditions or is it the standard NTSC American one)?  

    Amiga's custom chips can handle either NTSC (525 lines/30 frames
    per second) or PAL (625/25).  Your machine should come configured
    the same as the local television standard.  Biggest difference is
    that when running in PAL mode, the screen has more scan lines (and
    more rows of text) than when running NTSC.

Re: .46

>    Amiga's custom chips can handle either NTSC (525 lines/30 frames
>    per second) or PAL (625/25).

Amigas come with a different chipset to handle NTSC versus PAL.  It
isn't just a matter to changing a jumper or poking a value into
a register to get one versus the other.  You plug different chips
in the machine.

I was surprised about the software that claimed to handle the switch
mentioned previously.  I thought, "gee they must use heavy overscan
or something to try and simulate PAL."  I wasn't too surprised to
discover that it didn't really seem to work.

    re: different hardware
    
    but the same RGB monitor for NTSC or PAL chip?  If so, depending
    on how much the chip cost.. how about a daughter board with
    both chips and a toggle switch?
    
    -Dave

    So, I've got PAL.  This would explain why booting Workbench leaves
    a gap between the border and the bottom of the physical screen.
    Hmmm.  Does anybody know the effect on the high-res flicker? Is
    it better or worse with PAL?  I've been told that its worse down
    here because our electricity is 240/50, not 240/60 like elsewhere.
    True/False?

�    it better or worse with PAL?  I've been told that its worse down
�    here because our electricity is 240/50, not 240/60 like elsewhere.

    True, 50Hz power gives interlace a 25 Hz flicker, where 60Hz power
    gives (you guessed it....) 30 Hz flicker, much easier on the eyes.
    
    
    				Alan T.

    re: .47
    
    Oops.  I stand corrected re: hardware.  But I stand by my conclusion:
    The Amiga you buy in any country with NTSC or PAL television broadcasts
    should match the local standard.  Don't know what this means for
    France :-).

    re .50
    
    Thanks.  Hmmmm...  Now I know why I hate hi-res so much.  I've been
    accused by some in the States of being a whinger about hi-res but
    it seems I really do have it worse than them.

    Hello
    
    For space consideration , the  wild copper demo is removed from
    the ROLLE machine...
    Phil

    Dust off that old Wild Copper Disk, here's a fun surprise.

    A friend of mine (with alot more patience than myself) discovered
    the following.

    Run the "RV DEMO", The one with the rotating ray traced line images
    in front of a field of moving stars. LET IT RUN FOR 15 OR SO MINUTES.

    After you get to the part with a diamond inside of a square which
    rotates (and you've watched it rotate for several minutes) Press any of
    the "F" keys.  The display should freeze but the music will continue.

    You now have complete control of the screen object type and it's
    rotation direction and speed!

    Use the keypad. 4 re-enables object motion and will increase speed on
    successive presses (WOW will this thing move!).  The rest of the
    NUMBERED keys control object rotation direction and speed.

    Use the Up and Down arrows to sequence forward and backward though
    objects, most of which have never been seen before!

    I wonder what's 'hidden' in the other sections :')

    Enjoy
    	-bw
    
    
    
    PS.  Have patience. (my friend must have be in a stupor  :->

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but if you let the demo run and pay
    attention to the scrolling text along the bottom of the screen it
    actually tells you about this feature, complete with full instructions.
    
    
    					Alan T.

    I have never seen any scrolling text at the bottom on the RV Demo !!??
    
    Might this be a PAL/NTSC issue??
    
    Anyone in the states see this scrolling text??
    

    Yes, the PAL text is not very visible on an NTSC monitor, but does 
    indicate the keys to press after a countdown of sorts.  I stumbled 
    onto this one a few months ago while viewing the ASCII text strings 
    embedded in the program.  It was the only way to easily see what 
    messages were scrolling by at the top of the screen.