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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

1691.0. "Hard drives for 500/1000 getting cheaper..." by ODIXIE::MCDONALD (Surly to bed, surly to rise...) Thu Sep 15 1988 17:50

    I just bought a copy of Ahoy!'s Amigauser Magazine.  In it, I ran
    across an advertisement for SCSI Hard disks from Pioneer Computing.
    The ad says:    
    			20 meg	- $659.95
    			40 meg	- $879.95
    			65 meg	- $649.95
    				  ^^^^^^^  What's this?!?!
    
    I called Pioneer and asked them if it was a misprint.  Predictably,
    it was.  However, the told me that the real price is $949.95.  This
    includes drive, SCSI host/controller (with expansion bus pass-thru,
    18-inch cable, 50-pin SCSI bus, and Apple/Mac Pseudo SCSI 25-pin
    connectors), and case with fan-cooled power supply and other necessary
    accessories.  The 65 meg drive is the ST277N.  (I think that's right.
     Anyway, it's a real SCSI drive, not a non-SCSI pretending.)
    
    Looks like I might have to get a hard drive after all.  
    
    BTW, the phone number is (801) 942-1174.
    
    
    				John
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1691.1Supra SCSI Interface for the 500CGFSV2::CADAMSClint Adams - Calgary, CanadaThu Sep 15 1988 18:0622
On the topic of hard drives for the 500, I was thinking of the
cheapest way possible to get started.

I have access to a RD51 (ST506) and was thinking of buying the Supra
SCSI Interface from Able ($169) and an Adaptek SCSI to ST506 adapter
for about $90 from Computer Surplus (as mentioned on the Usenet). Then
build a box and scrounge a power supply for the drive and Adaptek.
After I win the lottery I could buy a big SCSI disk and throw
everthing but the Supra SCSI Interface in the trash.

The question I have is on were the Supra SCSI Interface gets it's
power, does it have it's own supply or does it get it from the Supra
Drive box? (I don't think the ole 500 could power the controller and
the optional memory).

A great feature of the Supra Interface is that you can add up to 4Mb
of RAM inside (if I'm reading the literature correctly).

Anybody out there have one of these babies and if so, how has it been
performing.

        Thanks in advance.....   Clint
1691.2Supra is fineWJG::GUINEAUJust a Window in TimeFri Sep 16 1988 08:4723
I did something similar to what your planning.

Supra works great, although I haven't made any performance measurements
as compared to, say a C-LTD.

As far as I know, Supra makes a 2 meg internal board. That's not to say the
internal bus is limited to that, maybe just thier technology. 4 Meg sounds
real good! I currently only have 1 meg (amiga 512 + A501) and lottery dreams.


The adapter requires 5V which it gets from the disk's box. BEWARE of the
instructions that come with just the SCSI interface - they have you plug a
cable in backwards and cook the 5380 (SCSI interface chip - At least I think
it's cooked. I replaced it (~$25) and later discovered the cable. Maybe
they have fixed the docs by now - I really gave it to a tech support person
and he said they knew about that.

All in all it seems to work just great. I've sent away for the device driver
documentation, so I may try to find a cheap SCSI tape for backups and write a
driver...


John
1691.3Once upon a time...DPDMAI::ANDERSONASat Sep 17 1988 00:3428
    
    I wanted to go the Supra SCSI route for the same reason that you
    do.  The memory expansion.  I ordered from Abel last April and was
    told that it was not in stock but they were expecting a shipment
    any day now.  After a month and a half of hearing that it would
    arrive any day now I gave up and tried to order it from a company
    in Texas.  He said he no longer handled the Supra because of to
    many customer complaints.  So I went ahead and ordered a C. Ltd
    from them for $180.00.  Maybe I should have stuck with it I don't
    know I had the drive, power supply, the Adaptec and a case all ready
    to go and I got tired of waiting.  The added memory would have been
    nice.  The moral of this story is if Abel says it is not in stock
    but will be in soon, beware.
    
    From what I was told most of the problem centered with his customers
    trying to add the memory module.  He said you had to solder a power
    jumper in which was not in an easy location.  I have never seen
    the device so I am stating this second hand.  But the documentation
    errors described in the previous note could account for a lot of
    his customer complaints and D.O.A.'s.
    
    I am not trying to scare you away from Supra I just wanted to share
    my experiences when I attempted to buy the device.  Every now and
    then I look at my measely 1MB and wish I had waited it out.
    
    Alan
    (still trying to fill up that 45MB)
     
1691.41+2=3 - I wish!WJG::GUINEAUJust a Window in TimeMon Sep 19 1988 08:3810
I haven't added memory yet. It looks fairly simple - just a "daughter"
board plug in. I wasn't aware of the jumper but that Doc error really ticked
me off!!!

What's 2 meg going for these days? If DEC stock would only climb a few tens
of points again...


John
1691.5More information on the Adaptek please....CGFSV2::CADAMSClint Adams - Calgary, CanadaMon Oct 17 1988 15:4021
Re. .3 

I have a disk, power supply and a box ready to go and am now going to
order either a Wedge 500 and a DTC 5150 or the Supra SCSI and an
Adpatek. 

The Wedge setup I understand and can easily configure, but I have a
couple of questions about the Supra/Adaptek configuration:

                - What type of connectors for data and power does the
                  Adaptek require. (ie. DB25 or 50 Pin)
        
                - What type of drive did you use and how is it working
                  overall. I want to use a Seagate ST-412 (10 MB) on
                  the Adaptek.

                - Where did you get your Adaptek, how was the delivery
                  time and the literature for the Adaptek. 

Thanks for any information...   Clint