Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Re: .0

I went to the Boston Computer Society Amiga Tech meeting.  This is
a special interest group made up largely of real developers (you can
buy their products in stores) for the Amiga.  They were making a
lot of "It'll be out next month jokes."  (That's what Commodore
tells them every time they ask.)

The answer is no one knows when it will available.

Although there might be some reason to hold off on a disk drive until
1.3 is out (make sure the drive REALLY supports autoboot and the fast
file system), there isn't too much need to wait on memory since
support for that is undergoing no changes.  (Unless you are thinking
about buying a disk control and memory expansion in one.)

You don't have to wait for CARD: to take advantage of a recoverable
ram disk.  The ASDG shareware recoverable ram disk works just fine
and makes better use of your memory.  (Unlike CARD:, VD0: dynamically
grows and shrinks based on how much data is stored.)

    I guess CARD: is the recoverable ram disk that will come with WB
    1.3 huh?  I read in BYTE (aug 88) that you can reboot from the new
    ram disk!  And I'm extremely excited about this!  ( I have to reboot
    alot, I'm writing a video game. )   This is the best thing that's
    ever happened in my entire life!  Please, don't tell me it's not
    true!

Re: .2

>I read in BYTE (aug 88) that you can reboot from the new ram disk! ...
>Please, don't tell me it's not true!

Well, you can reboot from the new RAM disk, but you need 1.3 Kickstart
in ROM or an Amiga 1000 in order to do it.

The one 1.3 Kickstart is not needed to use any of the new features in
the 1.3 Workbench.  Kickstart 1.3 will be available on disk for Amiga
1000 owners, and will be ROMs for the Amiga 500/2000 owner who wish
to make the upgrade.  I suspect (just a guess) that the ROMs will be
in limited supply for awhile.

To eliminate needing to reboot, I recommend you get a copy of GOMF
(costs about $30).  It intercepts most system errors and optionally
removes the errant task.

Seen on USENET...is this for real? and is there an ETA?

From:	comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.tech 24-SEP-1988 13:32
To:	@SUBSCRIBERS.DIS
Subj:	1.3 *RELEASED* ... availibility ???

Posted by: decwrl!ucbvax!pasteur!ames!oliveb!amdahl!kim
Organization: Amdahl Corporation,  Sunnyvale, CA 94086
Xref: decwrl comp.sys.amiga:25253 comp.sys.amiga.tech:2488
 
 
[ "All sweet things have one thing in common ... a tendency to make you sick." ]
[                                    --Soolin                                  ]
 
Happened upon this BIX posting of Carolyn's on the local BBS (JC ... hi, Thad),
and thought it might be of some interest :-) ...
 
Congrats to CATS, et al!   Now, is anyone in production/manufacturing out there
to comment on availability?
 
/kim
 
 
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amiga.dev/main #4248, from cscheppner, 758 chars, Fri Sep 16 11:11:28 1988
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TITLE:	>>>  1.3 Released to Production   <<<
 
   I have been asked to make the announcement that 1.3 Workbench and Extras
have been released to Production.  I can't supply a date on when Enhancer
kits will be in the stores or available through CATS, but the manuals are
being printed right now, so you should be seeing them quite soon.
 
   I will be uploading the few files which changed between Omega 9 and
Release to amiga.com and amiga.update listings areas as soon as I get myself
a copy of Release.
 
   We would like to thank all of our developers who participated in the
Beta/Gamma/Omega-testing of 1.3, especially those who provided quick and
valuable feedback by downloading and using each version as it was posted to
the closed listings areas.
 
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    according to today's usenet, some folks already have it (I assume
    they are developers) and one dealer was claiming that he would
    have it by Oct 1st.
    
    That BIX notice looks like they finally are out of field test :-)
    Now it is just a small matter of getting it to the dealers.
                                                         
    Didn't see any mention of cost.  Hmmm..
    
    -Dave

Yeah, buddy!  I'm a happy (patient) camper now!  One question remains: Will it
ever get to ME?

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...richard

    Went to Memory Location in Wellesley on Saturday.  Don Towne, the
    co-owner, said, "We have the ROMs already but not the disks.  The
    disks should ship on October 10.  We've ordered 300 copies so they
    should be around for a little while."  So it's getting closer!
    
    Price?  Omnitek in Tewksbury, Mass, thinks that the new disks will
    cost $25.  Pretty reasonable, I'd say.
    
    Wes

    Memory Location have the 1.3 Rom in stock and I was quoted a price
    of $45.  I haven't checked any other dealers.
    
    John
    

    Just got off the phone with Don Towne of Memory Location.  He says
    that 1.3 disks shipped today, only 4 days later than Commodore's
    announcement, and that he should have them about next Wednesday
    to Friday, Oct. 19-21.
    

    1.3 DISKS ARE IN AT MEMORY LOCATION AS WELL AS THE 1.3 ROM.
    
    Gotta go..... (get me 1.3!!)
    
    

>    1.3 DISKS ARE IN AT MEMORY LOCATION AS WELL AS THE 1.3 ROM.


	$ ?

Moe at the Software Shop says around $24?

John    

    TML: $29

    Also at Omnitek in both MA and NH locations, $29.
    
    Usenet reports have 'em sighted in California.

    
    TML: $26 (Tell them you work for DEC)
    
    I picked up a copy last night.  Still reading the manual...
    
    - steve

    TML: Picked mine up last night.
    
    Installed 1.3 on my hard disk...fast file system is real nice. 
    I will get a 1.3 ROM for my 2000 when I get a need for it.
    
    Tried various software...they all seem to work:
    Deluxe Music
    Deluxe PhotoLab
    DiskMaster
    Quarterback (HD backup utility) w/FFS
    some PD stuff,                       
    and some stuff that I've been working on....
                                         
    -----Robert

Picked up mine last night also at TML. Actually I almost didn't get it!
After my typical zig-zag up and down rt 16 to hone in on TML (I still get
lost!), I got there at 5:57 (they close at 6:00), ran through the rain
and asked for a copy of 1.3 - 

"Sorry. We're all out! We ordered 300, recieved 96, and sold them all!"

Suddenly a voice - "Hey, your looking for 1.3, right?"
		   " I sure am!"
		   " Here, take mine. I have some rethinking to do..."
		   "!!!"

So thanks Jeff, if you out there!

Looks like 1.3 is hot stuff. If you want it, and hear of it ina store, 
Don't walk, RUN!

John

    Three Stooges doesn't work.  (Big Deal, huh?)  System reboots as
    soon as the game accesses the hard disk.
    
    Randy
    

    Attention Colorado Amigans!
    
    I just checked with Citadel Computers and they said that 1.3 has
    been shipped.  They are expecting it to arrive any time within the
    next week.  When it gets here, they plan to retail it for $29.95
    (1000 version).  The long wait will be over soon...
    
    Dave

    
    Aaaaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh !!!!!!!!
    
    Much gnashing and wailing of teeth here !!  I've just heard that
    Commodore are waiting until the big Commodore show before releasing
    1.3 in the UK - the show is 18.19 & 20 November, so it looks like
    we here will have to wait another 5-6 weeks for it.
    
    Another small flame while I'm on the boil (nothing to do with 1.3
    or C-A):
    There is an ad in the November AUI magazine for the wedge, (something
    I had considered as a possible route to a cheap hard drive) but
    they were asking $225 (CDN) !!! PLUS $20 shipping !!!! The last
    I heard of the wedge, the price was around $130 CDN. Is this the
    regular price now ? or is it just another rip off directed at we
    poor cousins in Europe ????
    
    			Peeved, Scotland.

       re: .20
       
       Dear Peeved,
       
       I planned on calling Dave Allen today to find out if I should
       order the WEDGE software update now or wait - given the RSN
       availability of KS / WB 1.3 (the Ottawa dealer says Friday).  I
       want to make sure they have any compatibility bugs (if there are
       any) ironed out, particularly in the FFS area.  I will ask him for
       his European pricing and shipping policy.
       
       When I ordered my WEDGE in Feb 1988, it cost me $170 for the WEDGE
       (A1000 version) c/w software, $110 for the Controller (which you
       can buy yourself at your local I*M/clone PC shop), and $10 for
       shipping - total of $290 Canadian.  If I recall I got it for about
       $10-$20 less than list because I am a member of the Ottawa AMIGA
       Users Group. 
       
       I'll let you know what I find out.
       
       Art

       P.S. I'm happy as a pig in sh*t with the WEDGE.

>< Note 1571.20 by AYOV10::ATHOMSON "C'mon, git aff! /The Kelty Clippie" >

>    There is an ad in the November AUI magazine for the wedge, (something
>    I had considered as a possible route to a cheap hard drive) but
>    they were asking $225 (CDN) !!! PLUS $20 shipping !!!! The last
>    I heard of the wedge, the price was around $130 CDN. Is this the
>    regular price now ? or is it just another rip off directed at we
>    poor cousins in Europe ????
    
>    			Peeved, Scotland.

Yup, that's the latest price, even for us only a few hundred miles from
the manufacturer. I checked just last week.  For another $110 CDN he
will throw in a DTC 5150 controller which is required to complete the
A500 to ST-506 conversion (apparently the DTC 5150 is the only one
they will support from the Wedge 500 at this time).

I saw an add for the Spirit HDA-506 in the Amiga Sentry and called
them. This is another A500 to ST-506 disk adapter. They list at $249
US and will be shipping next month. Abel has it on there latest list
for around $197.00 US. That comes in cheaper than the Wedge (Approx.
$240 CDN and no requirement for the DTC 5150).

For my money, I'd probably go with the Spirit, I believe it is a one
board design and most important, cheaper.

                Regards.....   Clint

    re: -1
    
    �Yup, that's the latest price, even for us only a few hundred miles from
�the manufacturer. I checked just last week.  For another $110 CDN he
�will throw in a DTC 5150 controller which is required to complete the
�A500 to ST-506 conversion (apparently the DTC 5150 is the only one
�they will support from the Wedge 500 at this time).


    Ah, that's a pity, at these prices it's no longer worth it. It would
    cost me something like �450 total (wedge, controller, st-506 drive,
    PC box & power supply) while for another �50 I can get a 20Mb SCSI
    complete (plus �100 per extra 10Mb). Thanks for the answer anyway.
    
    				Alan T.